The CPS in Portugal

[slartibartfast]

Have you read the other thread on the subject?

A load of opinion by posters who no longer do ...

[Vertigo Swirl]

A load of opinion by posters who no longer do ...

Delete the whole thread then, seeing as it has no worth.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No doubt completely irrelevant just like all my contributions to this forum, but you never know, one day I might strike it lucky:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/jurisdiction

[Angelo222]

No doubt completely irrelevant just like all my contributions to this forum, but you never know, one day I might strike it lucky:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/jurisdiction

I cannot see how the UK could have any jurisdiction over this case as the crime, assuming there is one and she didn't fall into a hole and was buried over as some have previously suggested, was committed in Portuguese territory.

However, a case for proceedings being conducted in the UK could be made if it was found that those involved were all British and it didn't involve any Portuguese nationals.

It must never be forgotten however that the criminal activity which occurred post Maddie's disappearance involved not only British citizens but Irish, Portuguese and Spanish nationals too.

[Brietta]

I'm sure you can provide cites to back that up.

Of course I can.  Please tell me why you require cites for what is common knowledge?

[slartibartfast]

Delete the whole thread then, seeing as it has no worth.

Doesn’t work like that, removing old posts that contravene current interpretation of the rules would be a full time job and expecting to use them as cites fraught with difficulties.

[Alice Purjorick]

It would seem unreasonable for one country to be expected to change aspects of its legal system just to accommodate another country.

As changes to UK laws involve acts of parliament ................... extend to logical conclusion

[Alice Purjorick]

I'm sure it would have been posted before but seeing as its a new thread.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/

So back to the op,why would the CPS be in Portugal the site specifically says in England and Wales.

Given that the whole MLA / ILOR set up extends beyond pettyfogging internet wars between opposing factions with a very narrow focus, lifting ones eyes to the horizon might help...

The CPS submit ILORs in accordance with a set of rules. One is that an ILOR cannot be a fishing expedition much as the cops and others might wish it were.
Another rule is that if what is is being requested is without the laws of the country from which it is being requested then that country may legitimately bounce the request.

[G-Unit]

Given that the whole MLA / ILOR set up extends beyond pettyfogging internet wars between opposing factions with a very narrow focus, lifting ones eyes to the horizon might help...

The CPS submit ILORs in accordance with a set of rules. One is that an ILOR cannot be a fishing expedition much as the cops and others might wish it were.
Another rule is that if what is is being requested is without the laws of the country from which it is being requested then that country may legitimately bounce the request.

Information requested must be necessary and proportional too, which is why the Home Office refused one of the Portuguese requests;

As you know, in considering requests for coercive measures the Secretary of State must consider necessity and proportionality. On the basis of the information before me, the request for evidence relating to Mr McCann's Mastercard accounts for a 6 month period or, at least in the first instance, refine your request to a period immediately prior to and following the day of the alleged sighting, I would be more than happy to look at this part of the request again.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm

[Miss Taken Identity]

It would seem unreasonable for one country to be expected to change aspects of its legal system just to accommodate another country.

oh but surely they could have changed a smidgen for those poor parents, I mean just a couple of things...

[G-Unit]

In Portugal the Directorate-General of Justice Administration, part of the Ministry of Justice, deals with ILOR's.
https://www.hcch.net/en/states/authorities/details3/?aid=514

[Carana]

Given that the whole MLA / ILOR set up extends beyond pettyfogging internet wars between opposing factions with a very narrow focus, lifting ones eyes to the horizon might help...

The CPS submit ILORs in accordance with a set of rules. One is that an ILOR cannot be a fishing expedition much as the cops and others might wish it were.
Another rule is that if what is is being requested is without the laws of the country from which it is being requested then that country may legitimately bounce the request.

I have no problem with that, but I'm only popping in and I'm not sure what the argument is about...

[Carana]

Information requested must be necessary and proportional too, which is why the Home Office refused one of the Portuguese requests;

As you know, in considering requests for coercive measures the Secretary of State must consider necessity and proportionality. On the basis of the information before me, the request for evidence relating to Mr McCann's Mastercard accounts for a 6 month period or, at least in the first instance, refine your request to a period immediately prior to and following the day of the alleged sighting, I would be more than happy to look at this part of the request again.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FRANCES_KENNAH.htm

I find that fair enough. There was an oppotunity to justify that request, but AFAIK, it got dropped.