Evidence of a kitchen fight:

[adam]

There has been continuous claims that there was no kitchen fight. Both on the OS & from supporters on forums. The evidence there was a violent kitchen fight is as follows -


Nevill Bamber was strong enough to move from the bedroom to the kitchen.

Nevill Bamber was 6.4 tall and well built. His legs & arms would be working after receiving his upstairs shots.

Nevill Bamber would have known he would have to fight for his life by the time he arrived in the kitchen. This adrenalin would have negated any rifle shot pain when in the kitchen.

Jeremy Bamber would have known he would have to violently fight Nevill Bamber once Nevill had escaped from the bedroom.

Both people in the kitchen knew they were in a fight to the death.
 
Scratched aga.

Paint on rifle.

Smashed ceiling light.

Upturned chairs

Uptuned stools.

Broken crokery.

Broken rifle stock.

Clothes on floor.

Smashed watch on floor.

Sugar on floor.

Scuffed mats.

Nevill Bamber had black eyes.

Nevill Bamber had a broken nose.

Nevill Bamber had linear bruising to the cheeks.

Nevill Bamber had lacerations to the head. 

Nevill Bamber had bruising to the left wrist.

Nevill Bamber had bruising to the forearm.

The blows on Nevill Bamber were made with tremendous force.

The police deny upturning any chairs/stools.

All evidence contradicts the claim that Nevill got downstairs and instantly collapsed on the floor.

Nevill's back had been burnt. Suggesting Jeremy was so surprised at Nevill's resistance, he wanted to make sure he was dead after shooting him 8 times.

The judge said Nevill Bamber put up a 'tremendous fight for life'.

The 'Court of Appeal' said there had been a violent struggle in the kitchen.

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The best option for supporters is to agree there was a kitchen fight & that Sheila showered & changed afterwards. During the fight, Sheila was wearing protective clothing and shoes.

The evidence from the 'Court of Appeal' & witnesses that Sheila was under sedation, weak, subdued & un coordinated prior to the massacre was wrong.

Nevill did not want to injure Sheila although she had shot him & his wife. He just wanted to negate her. This soft approach failed to do this & got brutally beaten in the process.

Nevill did not consider using his huge height & weight advantage to take Sheila to ground when wrestling for the rifle.

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[John]

There has been continuous claims that there was no kitchen fight. Both on the OS & from supporters on forums. The evidence there was a violent kitchen...

An excellent post Adam, well researched.  I can't think of any other possible scenario whereby those facts could point to something else having occurred. 

Nevill was obviously strong enough to battle with a male attacker but he succumbed to his injuries.  What terror he must have experienced when he knew his strength was waning, that his worst fears and nightmares had come to fruition and that he was about to die.  He had fought the Nazi's and won but would die at the hands of a despicable coward!

[adam]

Hopefully David & Holly will confirm there was a kitchen fight & that Bamber was the only possible opponent Nevill had. David already believes Bamber is guilty, but has not got the confidence to say so.

Mike & Lookout are too far gone.

[Angelo222]

Hopefully David & Holly will confirm there was a kitchen fight & that Bamber was the only possible opponent Nevill had. David already believes Bamber is guilty, but has not got the confidence to say so.

Mike & Lookout are too far gone.

The evidence is overwhelming imo.  Bamber created the situation whereby it could only have been himself or Sheila who did the dastardly deed and the evidence of what occurred in the kitchen can only point one way.  To argue against this would be futile. All the crap about the silencer, the spent shells, the blood stains etc are merely window dressing imo.

[Alice]

Ludicrous to even suggest that there was no fight in the kitchen. Nevill was found there with a shocking catalogue of injuries and it would seem to me that these were sustained as a result of a struggle to the death. The sugar bowl had been spilled all over the floor yet none was found on Sheila's feet? Obviously because she never set foot in the kitchen to batter Nevill. I'm just staggered that any objective observer can look at the evidence and not see that Bamber is 100 per cent guilty.

[Holly Goodhead]

Hopefully David & Holly will confirm there was a kitchen fight & that Bamber was the only possible opponent Nevill had. David already believes Bamber is guilty, but has not got the confidence to say so.

Mike & Lookout are too far gone.

There's no evidence of a "kitchen fight" or anything approaching. 

The pathologist describes NB putting up a "spirited defense" and points out the defensive wounds to NB's right arm as opposed to his left arm which was totally impaired from the shoulder gsw sustained upstairs.

The maths and science behind the ballistics shows only 1 foot pound or 1.35 joules is required to cause a penetrating wound.  The ammo and rifle used at WHF generated 91.29 feet pounds or 123.77 joules.  The gsw's NB sustained to his lip and jaw upstairs were inflicted at a distance of no greater than a few inches.  Bullets tore into his lip and jaw at a force of 91.29 feet pounds and ended up embedded in the back of his neck.  The pathologist said these gsw's were sufficient to kill had other injuries not supervened.  They caused immense pain and blood loss internally and externally.  NB wasn't capable of anything other than lifting his right arm in an attempt to shield himself from blows raining down from the rifle. 

The moved furniture, crockery etc was most probably caused by NB stumbling into it in an attempt to flee from the perp, SC IMO.

 

[adam]

These are the main points from the OS supporting Sheila being in the kitchen -

1)

Nevertheless, if you speak to a psychiatric nurse or doctor you will hear stories of very slight and petite women in psychotic states being so strong and out of control that they have only eventually been restrained by a number of people.

2)

Regardless of this, the point that is being missed continually is that Nevill had almost certainly been shot before he was hit with the butt of the rifle by Sheila.

3)

Neither has there been the consideration that Nevill could have been unconscious or dead when he was beaten.

4)

Considering the height of Nevill Bamber’s head it is unlikely that he was attacked whilst standing up.

5)

Nevill was found sitting down and it is clear that Sheila attacked Nevill with the butt of the gun after he was incapacitated while he was sitting down.

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Answers to the OS points - 

1)

It is protocol in a hospital for several members of staff to restrain an out of control person. This prevents injury to both the staff & patient. 

2) 

Agree. Nevill had been shot 4 times upstairs. Twice in the face, twice in the body. 

3) 

Nevill was beaten on the arms & wrists. These are defence wounds. So he was not dead. 

The upturned furniture, smashed ceiling light & scratched aga shows Nevill was alive. 

4) 

Agree very unlikely Sheila could have hit a standing up Nevill's head with such force. A much taller Bamber could. 

5) 

Nevill was found face down over a coal scuttle. In that position it waa impossible for Sheila to hit his face. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Ludicrous to even suggest that there was no fight in the kitchen. Nevill was found there with a shocking catalogue of injuries and it would seem to me that these were sustained as a result of a struggle to the death. The sugar bowl had been spilled all over the floor yet none was found on Sheila's feet? Obviously because she never set foot in the kitchen to batter Nevill. I'm just staggered that any objective observer can look at the evidence and not see that Bamber is 100 per cent guilty.

SC had to walk from kitchen to main bedroom.  If any sugar was in her path then why would it adhere to her feet?  It wouldn't it would detach like sand does upon leaving the beach. 

[adam]

David is staying on Blue, with his apparent Sheila letter.  He knows he has to admit there was a kitchen fight & only Bamber could have been involved.

I won't chase him on Blue but he is free to PM me prior to his stance change.

[Caroline]

There's no evidence of a "kitchen fight" or anything approaching. 

The pathologist describes NB putting up a "spirited defense" and points out the defensive wounds to NB's right arm as opposed to his left arm which was totally impaired from the shoulder gsw sustained upstairs.

The maths and science behind the ballistics shows only 1 foot pound or 1.35 joules is required to cause a penetrating wound.  The ammo and rifle used at WHF generated 91.29 feet pounds or 123.77 joules.  The gsw's NB sustained to his lip and jaw upstairs were inflicted at a distance of no greater than a few inches.  Bullets tore into his lip and jaw at a force of 91.29 feet pounds and ended up embedded in the back of his neck.  The pathologist said these gsw's were sufficient to kill had other injuries not supervened.  They caused immense pain and blood loss internally and externally.  NB wasn't capable of anything other than lifting his right arm in an attempt to shield himself from blows raining down from the rifle. 

The moved furniture, crockery etc was most probably caused by NB stumbling into it in an attempt to flee from the perp, SC IMO.

 

I agree there was no fight, Bamber made it look as though there was and beat Nevill over the had with the rifle - maybe simply for effect?

[Alice]

SC had to walk from kitchen to main bedroom.  If any sugar was in her path then why would it adhere to her feet?  It wouldn't it would detach like sand does upon leaving the beach.

Sugar is not sand, it is sticky. Try walking through some with tacky bare feet and then see what the result is.

[Myster]

Sugar is not sand, it is sticky. Try walking through some with tacky bare feet and then see what the result is.

A contented partner who's happy to see that you're a bit kinky? 

[John]

Sugar is not sand, it is sticky. Try walking through some with tacky bare feet and then see what the result is.

Not to mention the small shards of glass all over the kitchen floor from the smashed overhead light fixture.  I wonder did the police check the soles of Jeremy Bamber's footwear that morning in the same way that Sheila's were examined?

[Holly Goodhead]

Sugar is not sand, it is sticky. Try walking through some with tacky bare feet and then see what the result is.

What type of sugar was it?   Do soc images exist of its found location on the kitchen floor?  Did soc officers take sweepings from the kitchen, hall, landing and bedrooms? 

   

[APRIL]

Not to mention the small shards of glass all over the kitchen floor from the smashed overhead light fixture.  I wonder did the police check the soles of Jeremy Bamber's footwear that morning in the same way that Sheila's were examined?

Not for one moment would they have considered it necessary. The thought simply wouldn't have occurred to them. Jeremy had total control of the investigation at that point. Initially, he'd passed control of it -and responsibility for it- to well known and highly respected Nevill. Having established that, he was free to take over without being challenged. He'd called them from Goldhanger. They'd seen him arrive from Goldhanger. He'd cemented his alibi. Police deferred to him. Nothing as scientific as forensics was involved. It was simple human psychology.