Timeline May 3rd

[pathfinder73]

So,  the clamour was at 21.40?   So twenty minutes after the Payne's arrive they had eaten their starter and dinner!! Wow.

20 mins? The Paynes said they arrived just before 9pm. Matt left at 8:55 to go and fetch them and met them by the McCanns gate. Main meals were served at about 9:30.

If Matt's 9:50 is correct in his statement on 10 May 2007 (Kate left to check) the alarm was raised before 9:55.

Aoife Smith said she knew the time they left Kelly's bar in her statement - 10pm.

[faithlilly]

That would be around the time Paul and Susan Moyes had settled down on their balcony overlooking the tapas area absolutely oblivious to the clamour taking place underneath them;  the Carpenters left to walk home within that same timescale and didn't notice a thing either.
Funny that when all Hell was allegedly breaking loose around them.

Was all hell breaking loose ?

[Lace]

20 mins? The Paynes said they arrived just before 9pm. Matt left at 8:55 to go and fetch them and met them by the McCanns gate. Main meals were served at about 9:30.

If Matt's 9:50 is correct in his statement on 10 May 2007 (Kate left to check) the alarm was raised before 9:55.

Aoife Smith said she knew the time they left Kelly's bar in her statement - 10pm.

If you think that was Gerry carrying Madeleine that the Smiths saw,  how do you account for one of the waiters seeing him searching around the Pool?    He wasn't in any  hurry to carry her to the beach was he?   For goodness sake it wasn't Gerry he was at the Tapas Bar when Kate give the alert,  I believe the waiter when he said that Russel had arrived back at the table at quarter to ten,  Russell says it was quarter to ten,  Kate was still there then,  I don't think she left before five to ten.  Why would she?   A check at been done at half nine,  they were checking every half an hour not every fifteen minutes.

[G-Unit]

So,  the clamour was at 21.40?   So twenty minutes after the Payne's arrive they had eaten their starter and dinner!! Wow.

Unless, of course, they arrived earlier;

On the day of the disappearance, all were seated at the table between 20H35 and 20H45. He remembers them arriving as usual. Had they arrived late, this would have been noted by the staff.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

[pathfinder73]

If you think that was Gerry carrying Madeleine that the Smiths saw,  how do you account for one of the waiters seeing him searching around the Pool?    He wasn't in any  hurry to carry her to the beach was he?   For goodness sake it wasn't Gerry he was at the Tapas Bar when Kate give the alert,  I believe the waiter when he said that Russel had arrived back at the table at quarter to ten,  Russell says it was quarter to ten,  Kate was still there then,  I don't think she left before five to ten.  Why would she?   A check at been done at half nine,  they were checking every half an hour not every fifteen minutes.

No mention of Gerry from the waiter that served their table! He said he saw David Payne and Matt Oldfield searching that area!

He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group - David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

[Lace]

No mention of Gerry from the waiter that served their table! He said he saw David Payne and Matt Oldfield searching that area!

He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group - David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues?Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: ?They've left you alone?? She responded more of less with these words: ?No, they went to see if the little girl was there.? I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleines father, running to the pool and to the childrens play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching.

[faithlilly]

20 mins? The Paynes said they arrived just before 9pm. Matt left at 8:55 to go and fetch them and met them by the McCanns gate. Main meals were served at about 9:30.

If Matt's 9:50 is correct in his statement on 10 May 2007 (Kate left to check) the alarm was raised before 9:55.

Aoife Smith said she knew the time they left Kelly's bar in her statement - 10pm.

Don’t you find it rather odd that Diane Webster was asked whether her family had met Oldfield while making their way to the tapas and she said categorically no ?

“ Asked if there was the possibility of having crossed paths with someone during the journey between her apartment and restaurant, the witness said no.”

“ In this regard, asked specifically whether, on the journey to the restaurant, if they had passed either of the two individuals described in the preceding paragraph, she answered categorically not. “

She also thought Gerry wasn’t at the table when they arrived.

“  That, at that time, the whole group were at the restaurant. The witness did not recall, but thinks that perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group. “

This tally’s with an earlier check by Gerry.

[G-Unit]

If you think that was Gerry carrying Madeleine that the Smiths saw,  how do you account for one of the waiters seeing him searching around the Pool?    He wasn't in any  hurry to carry her to the beach was he?   For goodness sake it wasn't Gerry he was at the Tapas Bar when Kate give the alert,  I believe the waiter when he said that Russel had arrived back at the table at quarter to ten,  Russell says it was quarter to ten,  Kate was still there then,  I don't think she left before five to ten.  Why would she?   A check at been done at half nine,  they were checking every half an hour not every fifteen minutes.

One of the waiters thought he'd seen Gerry, but did he? David Payne searched around the pool and said so. Gerry didn't mention going into the Tapas complex at all.

[pathfinder73]

Don’t you find it rather odd that Diane Webster was asked whether her family had met Oldfield while making their way to the tapas and she said categorically no ?

“ Asked if there was the possibility of having crossed paths with someone during the journey between her apartment and restaurant, the witness said no.”

“ In this regard, asked specifically whether, on the journey to the restaurant, if they had passed either of the two individuals described in the preceding paragraph, she answered categorically not. “

She also thought Gerry wasn’t at the table when they arrived.

“  That, at that time, the whole group were at the restaurant. The witness did not recall, but thinks that perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group. “

This tally’s with an earlier check by Gerry.

Dianne should have remembered but I heard she drank the most out of all of them so that may explain some of her lapses.

[pathfinder73]

On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues?Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: ?They've left you alone?? She responded more of less with these words: ?No, they went to see if the little girl was there.? I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleines father, running to the pool and to the childrens play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching.

Who is that witness? The waiter who served them is a credible witness to what was going on that night! He said David and Matt were searching that area.

Gerry has never said he was searching the pool area.

[Lace]

Who is that witness? The waiter who served them is a credible witness to what was going on that night! He said David and Matt were searching that area.

Gerry has never said he was searching the pool area.

So the waiter confused David and Matt for Gerry?   We didn't know Gerry was looking under cars until the Nanny said he was.  Look I know you want Gerry to be Smithman,   but Gerry could not have carried Madeleine out of 5a or from anywhere else without being seen by someone.  Once the alert was out people were searching.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues?Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: ?They've left you alone?? She responded more of less with these words: ?No, they went to see if the little girl was there.? I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleines father, running to the pool and to the childrens play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching.

That doesn’t say what time GM was seen by the pool.

[faithlilly]

Dianne should have remembered but I heard she drank the most out of all of them so that may explain some of her lapses.

Who said she drank more than most ? Tanner ?

[faithlilly]

So the waiter confused David and Matt for Gerry?   We didn't know Gerry was looking under cars until the Nanny said he was.  Look I know you want Gerry to be Smithman,   but Gerry could not have carried Madeleine out of 5a or from anywhere else without being seen by someone.  Once the alert was out people were searching.

The waiter confused David and Matt for Gerry ? Where is your evidence of that ?

You are presuming that finding Madeleine missing and the alert where simultaneous. What if there was 20 or 30 minutes between the two. What if the friends searched first ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’m not “saying” anything. I wasn’t a witness to the events.

What you are saying is that we should take this witness statement seriously but in order to do so we would have to stop taking seriously many other witness statements so what is it to be?  The Portuguese police had the alarm being raised at 10ppm so it would seem they did not take this man's statement to be accurate time-wise - how do you explain that?