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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #780 on: July 11, 2020, 02:14:31 PM »
If that's what you think is a massive window of opportunity I think you're in denial.

20 minutes is a massive window of opportunity...you seem to think there none. It's quite possible the abductor watched Gerry at 9.05...he would have known once Gerry left he had plenty of time.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #781 on: July 11, 2020, 02:40:01 PM »
20 minutes is a massive window of opportunity...you seem to think there none. It's quite possible the abductor watched Gerry at 9.05...he would have known once Gerry left he had plenty of time.

Twenty minutes during which Jane, Jez, the Moyes and Tannerman were all going to, from or past Block 5A. Not a chance he went there too, imo.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #782 on: July 11, 2020, 02:43:19 PM »
20 minutes is a massive window of opportunity...you seem to think there none. It's quite possible the abductor watched Gerry at 9.05...he would have known once Gerry left he had plenty of time.

What was the time when gmcc went and kmc thought he must be watching football because of the time it took.

Offline Brietta

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #783 on: July 11, 2020, 02:59:30 PM »
Twenty minutes during which Jane, Jez, the Moyes and Tannerman were all going to, from or past Block 5A. Not a chance he went there too, imo.

Who saw Jane?  No-one, but we know she was there doing and seeing what she said she was.

Who ~ other than Jane and Gerry ~ saw Jes?  No-one.

Who saw Mr and Mrs Moyes?  No-one.

Apart from Jane who saw the man carrying the child walking from the direction of 5A?  No-one.

There was plenty of time for an individual to enter and leave the apartment without being seen by anyone or interrupted by anyone.  Although I am certain if Jane had been just a couple of minutes earlier that would not have been the case.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #784 on: July 11, 2020, 03:45:57 PM »
Twenty minutes during which Jane, Jez, the Moyes and Tannerman were all going to, from or past Block 5A. Not a chance he went there too, imo.

the abduction would have taken place from the front door.....not the patio doors facing the pool. Wouldnt these people be walking along the pool side of 5a and not see the dark car park...where an abductor could have been

Offline G-Unit

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #785 on: July 11, 2020, 05:29:56 PM »
the abduction would have taken place from the front door.....not the patio doors facing the pool. Wouldnt these people be walking along the pool side of 5a and not see the dark car park...where an abductor could have been

No. They were all on R. Dr Agnostinho da Silva at some point.

The Moyes between 21:00 & 21:15
Jane Tanner & Tannerman between 21:15 & 21:20 (twice)
Jez Wilkins between 21:15 & 21:30

Quite surreal how none of them saw each other OR an abductor, isn't it? No wonder OG changed the time to between 21:30 and 22:00! IMO Redwood's 'revelation' was the impossibility of an abduction between 9:05 and 9:30.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #786 on: July 11, 2020, 05:41:47 PM »
No. They were all on R. Dr Agnostinho da Silva at some point.

The Moyes between 21:00 & 21:15
Jane Tanner & Tannerman between 21:15 & 21:20 (twice)
Jez Wilkins between 21:15 & 21:30

Quite surreal how none of them saw each other OR an abductor, isn't it? No wonder OG changed the time to between 21:30 and 22:00! IMO Redwood's 'revelation' was the impossibility of an abduction between 9:05 and 9:30.
Why is it do you think that Op Grange didn’t conclude the alarm was raised around 9.20pm as you have done?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #787 on: July 11, 2020, 06:01:45 PM »
No. They were all on R. Dr Agnostinho da Silva at some point.

The Moyes between 21:00 & 21:15
Jane Tanner & Tannerman between 21:15 & 21:20 (twice)
Jez Wilkins between 21:15 & 21:30

Quite surreal how none of them saw each other OR an abductor, isn't it? No wonder OG changed the time to between 21:30 and 22:00! IMO Redwood's 'revelation' was the impossibility of an abduction between 9:05 and 9:30.


were they far enough up to see the door and window of the McCanns apartment....SY and the Germans seem convinced an abduction was possible and they are the professionals

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #788 on: July 11, 2020, 06:10:00 PM »
Gerry and Kate would normally return home at about 22.30 and before this I would check whether she was all right, by looking around the bedroom door.

You cannot look around an ajar door. You can if the door is half-open.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #789 on: July 11, 2020, 06:13:26 PM »
No. They were all on R. Dr Agnostinho da Silva at some point.

The Moyes between 21:00 & 21:15
Jane Tanner & Tannerman between 21:15 & 21:20 (twice)
Jez Wilkins between 21:15 & 21:30

Quite surreal how none of them saw each other OR an abductor, isn't it? No wonder OG changed the time to between 21:30 and 22:00! IMO Redwood's 'revelation' was the impossibility of an abduction between 9:05 and 9:30.

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Offline Brietta

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #790 on: July 11, 2020, 06:13:58 PM »
No. They were all on R. Dr Agnostinho da Silva at some point.

The Moyes between 21:00 & 21:15
Jane Tanner & Tannerman between 21:15 & 21:20 (twice)
Jez Wilkins between 21:15 & 21:30

Quite surreal how none of them saw each other OR an abductor, isn't it? No wonder OG changed the time to between 21:30 and 22:00! IMO Redwood's 'revelation' was the impossibility of an abduction between 9:05 and 9:30.
Mr and Mrs Moyes could very well have been out of sight just ahead of Gerry and Jes meeting and stopping to converse.

I think the abductor entered from the front immediately after Gerry left the apartment via the patio door and before Mr and Mrs Moyes turned into the car park.

He lifted Madeleine from her bed and left via the wooden door. He would have stood in the shadows at the recess checking to make sure the coast was clear if Mr and Mrs Moyes were crossing the car park he would have waited until they had entered the building before walking up the path turning right and briskly crossing the car park; turning right and walking on before crossing Jane's path and making his way a short distance to where his vehicle was parked.

Until proved otherwise I think Jane Tanner witnessed Madeleine's abduction and I think there was a tight window of opportunity which enabled it to be done with only one witness to the proceedings.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #791 on: July 11, 2020, 06:15:39 PM »
Mr and Mrs Moyes could very well have been out of sight just ahead of Gerry and Jes meeting and stopping to converse.

I think the abductor entered from the front immediately after Gerry left the apartment via the patio door and before Mr and Mrs Moyes turned into the car park.

He lifted Madeleine from her bed and left via the wooden door. He would have stood in the shadows at the recess checking to make sure the coast was clear if Mr and Mrs Moyes were crossing the car park he would have waited until they had entered the building before walking up the path turning right and briskly crossing the car park; turning right and walking on before crossing Jane's path and making his way a short distance to where his vehicle was parked.

Until proved otherwise I think Jane Tanner witnessed Madeleine's abduction and I think there was a tight window of opportunity which enabled it to be done with only one witness to the proceedings.

Jane doesn't think so.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #792 on: July 11, 2020, 06:17:04 PM »
Mr and Mrs Moyes could very well have been out of sight just ahead of Gerry and Jes meeting and stopping to converse.

I think the abductor entered from the front immediately after Gerry left the apartment via the patio door and before Mr and Mrs Moyes turned into the car park.

He lifted Madeleine from her bed and left via the wooden door. He would have stood in the shadows at the recess checking to make sure the coast was clear if Mr and Mrs Moyes were crossing the car park he would have waited until they had entered the building before walking up the path turning right and briskly crossing the car park; turning right and walking on before crossing Jane's path and making his way a short distance to where his vehicle was parked.

Until proved otherwise I think Jane Tanner witnessed Madeleine's abduction and I think there was a tight window of opportunity which enabled it to be done with only one witness to the proceedings.

Then where does Totman and the jemmied shutters fit in?

Offline Myster

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #793 on: July 11, 2020, 06:22:59 PM »
Mr and Mrs Moyes could very well have been out of sight just ahead of Gerry and Jes meeting and stopping to converse.

I think the abductor entered from the front immediately after Gerry left the apartment via the patio door and before Mr and Mrs Moyes turned into the car park.

He lifted Madeleine from her bed and left via the wooden door. He would have stood in the shadows at the recess checking to make sure the coast was clear if Mr and Mrs Moyes were crossing the car park he would have waited until they had entered the building before walking up the path turning right and briskly crossing the car park; turning right and walking on before crossing Jane's path and making his way a short distance to where his vehicle was parked.

Until proved otherwise I think Jane Tanner witnessed Madeleine's abduction and I think there was a tight window of opportunity which enabled it to be done with only one witness to the proceedings.
Is that why Redwood never elaborated on why Totman was going in the wrong direction, if he was supposed to be coming away from the nursery, do you think?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Timeline May 3rd
« Reply #794 on: July 11, 2020, 06:28:56 PM »

were they far enough up to see the door and window of the McCanns apartment....SY and the Germans seem convinced an abduction was possible and they are the professionals

No-one has said it was between 21:05 and 21:25; except you, obviously.
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