Mark Warner Holidays

[sadie]

I think it's quite clear. The table was not inside the restaurant because he left the restaurant before seeing it.

No, you are wrong.  You are misreading it

In this case Gerry has independent verification;

Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

Nowhere does he give any indication where exactly they were sitting, altho it seems fairly safe to assume that as they caught his eye and so clearly, they must have been positioned near the esplanade (ie. near the plastic window) rather than back in the depth of the restaurant.

You are reading it wrongly Gunit and finding meanings that are not there.  Soz.

[Sunny]

No, you are wrong.  You are misreading it

Nowhere does he give any indication where exactly they were sitting, altho it seems fairly safe to assume that as they caught his eye and so clearly, they must have been positioned near the esplanade (ie. near the plastic window) rather than back in the depth of the restaurant.

You are reading it wrongly Gunit and finding meanings that are not there.  Soz.

I think you are correct Sadie in fact Gerry draws a circle in the air on the video showing where the table was and as I recall it was under the other building with the plastic screen not the restaurant itself. I saw it earlier this morning but sorry can't provide a cite at this time.

[G-Unit]

I think you are correct Sadie in fact Gerry draws a circle in the air on the video showing where the table was and as I recall it was under the other building with the plastic screen not the restaurant itself. I saw it earlier this morning but sorry can't provide a cite at this time.

Arlindo Pelega said the table was on the esplanade (terrace).

[Admin]

It is very easy to confuse the tapas bar with the restaurant but the picture above does reveal which is which rather well.  The restaurant is on the left and has plastic sheeted openings at the sides which can be rolled up in warm weather.

[sadie]

I think you are correct Sadie in fact Gerry draws a circle in the air on the video showing where the table was and as I recall it was under the other building with the plastic screen not the restaurant itself. I saw it earlier this morning but sorry can't provide a cite at this time.

Thank you Sunny

Having been there, I can assure you that the circle that Gerry drew was inside the actual restaurant altho maybe he got the positionn wrong.  He isn't very good at remembering positions (Jez Wilkins spot)!

what is confusing, Sunny, is that in that video, the plastic wall has been removed ... and it seems that when the Tapas group were there it was in place.  Altho that is questionable, imo

[G-Unit]

Thank you Sunny

Having been there, I can assure you that the circle that Gerry drew was inside the actual restaurant altho maybe he got the positionn wrong.  He isn't very good at remembering positions (Jez Wilkins spot)!

what is confusing, Sunny, is that in that video, the plastic wall has been removed ... and it seems that when the Tapas group were there it was in place.  Altho that is questionable, imo

Where was the wall, Sadie? I've been looking fir a wall.

[Robittybob1]

Where was the wall, Sadie? I've been looking fir a wall.

Curtain, curtain-side or wall.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Thank you Sunny

Having been there, I can assure you that the circle that Gerry drew was inside the actual restaurant altho maybe he got the positionn wrong.  He isn't very good at remembering positions (Jez Wilkins spot)!

what is confusing, Sunny, is that in that video, the plastic wall has been removed ... and it seems that when the Tapas group were there it was in place.  Altho that is questionable, imo

There is no question about it.

Gerald McCann 10 May 2007

----- They took the usual route to the TAPAS, where they arrived a little after 20H35, not having passed on the route anyone known nor detected anything abnormal. Asked, he said that the dinner bookings were made since Monday, it was already the intention of the group to take their meals there. They were the first of the group to arrive seating themselves at the biggest table, as usual, that was situated in the middle between other tables under an awning with a transparent plastic surface at the front. He relates that they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door of his apartment through which they left and entered and which gave access to the lounge.

Ofcourse this could be one of Gerrys alledged 'selective amnesia' days, which coincides with someone claiming they could clearly see the  full patio doors.  They did not have a clear view of the doors due to the bushes and the awning.

Fact: they did not have a clear view of the patio or the  full length doors, they had a view of the top of the patio doors, and this wasn't a clear sharp view. In other words- If an abductor was using this as an entrance /exit they would not have been able to see them.

[sadie]

There is no question about it.

Gerald McCann 10 May 2007

----- They took the usual route to the TAPAS, where they arrived a little after 20H35, not having passed on the route anyone known nor detected anything abnormal. Asked, he said that the dinner bookings were made since Monday, it was already the intention of the group to take their meals there. They were the first of the group to arrive seating themselves at the biggest table, as usual, that was situated in the middle between other tables under an awning with a transparent plastic surface at the front. He relates that they were seated at the table in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire rear door of his apartment through which they left and entered and which gave access to the lounge.

Ofcourse this could be one of Gerrys alledged 'selective amnesia' days, which coincides with someone claiming they could clearly see the  full patio doors.  They did not have a clear view of the doors due to the bushes and the awning.

Fact: they did not have a clear view of the patio or the  full length doors, they had a view of the top of the patio doors, and this wasn't a clear sharp view. In other words- If an abductor was using this as an entrance /exit they would not have been able to see them.

There is no question about it, Mistaken

You have shown the cite yourself above
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They were the first of the group to arrive seating themselves at the biggest table, as usual, that was situated in the middle between other tables under an awning with a transparent plastic surface at the front.

They were sitting within the Resaurant, not on the esplanade.
They were sitting at their usual big table
The table was in the middle of the restaurant between other tables
They were under the awning and had a transparent plastic surface at the front


They were in the middle of the restaurant, which was near where we sat.  We probably sat at the next table to the table that the Taoas group had sat at.

Thanks for providing the cite

[sadie]

According to Rachel she was facing the apartments. According to Kate Rachel was seated almost directly opposite Gerry. Perhaps he was seated with his back to the table?

BRILLIANT.
Thank you Gunit ... once again you have helped solve something that was worrying me about the case.


There were nine people in  the Tapas group, so when they were sitting around the 360* table, they were placed at 40* intervals     [360*/9 = 40*].    Fiona had her back to the plastic curtain wall.  Gerry was at 40* to it.   .

When talking to Fiona, Gerry was virtually looking at the patio of 5A, because it was almost directly behind her.


A photo of the petite dark haired  Rachael below standing immediately behind Kate and Gerry.  It shows how much shorter she was than Gerry.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/2-4-11/10472805.jpg



Fiona was shorter than Rachael as you can see from this photo    [This is beginning to sound like a Ronnie Corbett and Ronnie Barker sketch ] 

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Tappas9/RachelOldfield-FionaPayne-RussellOBs.jpg



From these two photos, you can see just how much taller Gerry is than the petite Fiona sitting next to him

 

With Fiona being so petite and Gerry being so tall, he could see the illuminated patio area, even over her head.  When talking to Kate, he could see the illuminated patio to her left.  And he was well positioned at the slightest turn of his head to see 5A patio at any time.   Who knows how often, as a very obviously devoted father, he checked 5A visually?


Gerry sat at one of the best positions to keep an eye on 5A, I am thinking


Thanks to you, Gunit, another bit of the jigsaw almost certainly solved.  Well done.        Methinks we make a good team, keep em coming.

[Robittybob1]

Sadie do you think "642" was Fiona Payne?  I have my doubts.
Do you think the lady over the shoulder of Kate is Rachael?

[G-Unit]

BRILLIANT.
Thank you Gunit ... once again you have helped solve something that was worrying me about the case.


There were nine people in  the Tapas group, so when they were sitting around the 360* table, they were placed at 40* intervals     [360*/9 = 40*].    Fiona had her back to the plastic curtain wall.  Gerry was at 40* to it.   .

When talking to Fiona, Gerry was virtually looking at the patio of 5A, because it was almost directly behind her.


A photo of the petite dark haired  Rachael below standing immediately behind Kate and Gerry.  It shows how much shorter she was than Gerry.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/2-4-11/10472805.jpg



Fiona was shorter than Rachael as you can see from this photo    [This is beginning to sound like a Ronnie Corbett and Ronnie Barker sketch ] 

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Tappas9/RachelOldfield-FionaPayne-RussellOBs.jpg



From these two photos, you can see just how much taller Gerry is than the petite Fiona sitting next to him

 

With Fiona being so petite and Gerry being so tall, he could see the illuminated patio area, even over her head.  When talking to Kate, he could see the illuminated patio to her left.  And he was well positioned at the slightest turn of his head to see 5A patio at any time.   Who knows how often, as a very obviously devoted father, he checked 5A visually?


Gerry sat at one of the best positions to keep an eye on 5A, I am thinking


Thanks to you, Gunit, another bit of the jigsaw almost certainly solved.  Well done.        Methinks we make a good team, keep em coming.

Rachael was facing 5A, and therefore the plastic 'window'. She was pretty much opposite to Gerry, who had his back to 5A and the window. If he looked at Fiona and Kate he would see what was behind them which was the Tapas reception. Unless his peripheral vision is superhuman, he couldn't see 5A from his seat without turning round.

[Robittybob1]

I agree he would have to either stand up and look or turn his head away from the centre of the table while seated.

[Brietta]

I agree he would have to either stand up and look or turn his head away from the centre of the table while seated.

It was not claimed by anyone sitting at the table that they never took their eyes off the McCann patio doors between checks.  In my opinion all relied on getting up from the table and walking to their own apartments to check on their own children ... not one of them contemplated or envisaged anyone entering their apartment or the existence of an abductor.

[G-Unit]

It was not claimed by anyone sitting at the table that they never took their eyes off the McCann patio doors between checks.  In my opinion all relied on getting up from the table and walking to their own apartments to check on their own children ... not one of them contemplated or envisaged anyone entering their apartment or the existence of an abductor.

You're quite correct. In my opinion it was only after the event that attempts were made to convince people that they could see what they, in my opinion, clearly couldn't see. Not that they were looking anyway.