Could all three children have been sedated by an intruder?

[Brietta]

There's no getting away from it, everyone involved was stunned that the twins never roused once despite the hullabaloo and all the toing and froing.  In my opinion the PJ lost a valuable opportunity to test the twins for any signs that they had been drugged.

I'm not really bemused by the twins sleeping, particularly at the end of a busy day after a busy week.

I've been at both ends of the spectrum recently with a whole spate of eighteenths and one or two firsts.  I was at a first birthday party on Monday where the Birthday Boy and a few others slept through an indescribable level of noise ... kids ... music ... and barking dogs.
Three weeks ago at another first birthday ... exactly the same ... the only difference being it was the Birthday Girl who led the sleep in.

Children can sleep through anything in my opinion.

[Angelo222]

I'm not really bemused by the twins sleeping, particularly at the end of a busy day after a busy week.

I've been at both ends of the spectrum recently with a whole spate of eighteenths and one or two firsts.  I was at a first birthday party on Monday where the Birthday Boy and a few others slept through an indescribable level of noise ... kids ... music ... and barking dogs.
Three weeks ago at another first birthday ... exactly the same ... the only difference being it was the Birthday Girl who led the sleep in.

Children can sleep through anything in my opinion.

We know from Kate that the children could wake in the night when there was very little commotion going on which makes their unresponsiveness on the night and morning after Maddie disappeared all the more curious imo.

[Angelo222]

Question to davel.

What cite are you referring to that I have not provided?

[Mr Gray]

We know from Kate that the children could wake in the night when there was very little commotion going on which makes their unresponsiveness on the night and morning after Maddie disappeared all the more curious imo.

been discussed at length and imo there could be quite a natural explanation

[Mr Gray]

Question to davel.

What cite are you referring to that I have not provided?

this one today..

 Members are entitled to know if you have a professional qualification in chemistry or medicine since you claimed such yesterday


I have not claimed either..Im not particularly bothered but i am being  accused...falsely imo...of not giving cites..

my professional qualifications...BDS ...LDS.RCS(Eng).....and  a member of SAAD...no cite provided ...take it or leave it

[Robittybob1]

I find that obeying the rules keeps me out of trouble. I recommend that other members try it instead of arguing about them.

I'm still not convinced that a sedative could be administered to sleeping children and produce the effect described by Kate McCann, Fiona Payne and Dianne Webster.

The children's bedroom was searched by Kate and Gerry McCann, Fiona Webster, Amy Tierney and the GNR officer. That would involve a light being turned on. There was reportedly a lot of noise also. The twins were then carried out of the apartment. I believe that they were carried to 4G first then to 5H later. They reportedly never woke up.

So if that wasn't a sedative what do you think could be an alternative explanation?

[Robittybob1]

I could expalin ..but I choose not too

There is such a thing as retirement.

[Robittybob1]

I've said I don't think the children were sedated

So why do you think that, yet say IN Ketamine would give similar results?

[Mr Gray]

So why do you think that, yet say IN Ketamine would give similar results?

they may have been...but I think that its more likely it was simple tiredness....

[Robittybob1]

The claim about Madeleine first appeared in Madeleine but in no statement or article before that.

I’m not aware of any claim that the twins were drowsy on the third. Do you have a cite ?

I recall Kate saying this so it is in a video rather than a statement. IIRC

[Brietta]

We know from Kate that the children could wake in the night when there was very little commotion going on which makes their unresponsiveness on the night and morning after Maddie disappeared all the more curious imo.

We saw Sean being carried from the plane in his father's arms while fast asleep.  After hitting fresh air at the door, the engine noise and the noise from the media scrum, he didn't stir.

There is no rhyme or reason for a sleeping child or what will awaken one.

[G-Unit]

no....pt booked for an hour...most of that time is prepping the surgery and cleaning afterwards.....

Cleaning is important. In the late 1960's I had two wisdom teeth removed. I choose to be knocked out and the last thing I saw was the dentist opening a drawer and taking his extraction tool out of it. I had a terrible infection afterwards and often wondered if that implement had been sterilized. I don't know what went on but my cheek and tongue were both lacerated.

[Angelo222]

this one today..

 Members are entitled to know if you have a professional qualification in chemistry or medicine since you claimed such yesterday


I have not claimed either..Im not particularly bothered but i am being  accused...falsely imo...of not giving cites..

my professional qualifications...BDS ...LDS.RCS(Eng).....and  a member of SAAD...no cite provided ...take it or leave it

Only someone with a professional qualification would claim this.

It's from my personal knowledge of how sedatives work based on my extensive experience with sedatives

I asked you if it was in the medical or chemistry industry, no goading intended by the way.

[Robittybob1]

Cleaning is important. In the late 1960's I had two wisdom teeth removed. I choose to be knocked out and the last thing I saw was the dentist opening a drawer and taking his extraction tool out of it. I had a terrible infection afterwards and often wondered if that implement had been sterilized. I don't know what went on but my cheek and tongue were both lacerated.

Wisdom teeth would not be easy to extract, they are right at the back IMO

[Mr Gray]

Only someone with a professional qualification would claim this.

I asked you if it was in the medical or chemistry industry, no goading intended by the way.

That's fine...best just to get on with the discussion