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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2018, 02:04:18 PM »
That isn’t the same as the SC judges defamed the McCanns which is what Rob said.

Check again I don't see Rob saying that

Offline Angelo222

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2018, 02:10:37 PM »

What you don't know is - exactly what the evidence he knows about is.

He was not a one man band.

IMO if that was the case why - are the mccanns not cleared of any involvement then.

That's davels favour mantra.  As Amaral knew what ALL the evidence was and davel doesn't, I know who has most credibility.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2018, 02:12:29 PM »
Opinion... They were  not arrested ...fact

True but they would have been had they scarpered like Kate said Gerry wanted to do when their lawyer announced the night before that they were going to to be made arguidos.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Angelo222

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2018, 02:14:05 PM »
Was it the co-coordinator's decision, or that of the Prosecutor ?

Amaral was merely an evidence gatherer, it was up to the prosecutor who to make arguido.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2018, 02:15:35 PM »
If Amaral was not a one man band who took it upon himself to defame legally innocent people ... why do you set so much store by what he says?

He was sacked from Madeleine's case by his superiors in the Policia Judiciaria so why you would think his opinion is of value ... his superiors most certainly did not.

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Gonçalo Amaral, coordinator of the Judicial Police of Portimão, was dismissed this afternoon, after criticizing investigators of the English police who collaborate in investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, confirmed the PUBLIC.
https://www.publico.pt/2007/10/02/sociedade/noticia/maddie-coordenador-da-pj-de-portimao-demitido-apos-criticas-a-policia-inglesa-1306369

He was convinced of their involvement, only time will tell if he was correct.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2018, 02:17:54 PM »
He was convinced of their involvement, only time will tell if he was correct.

Time has told... The point is he is on record showing a complete disregard for the real evidence.... The 15 alleles confirmed nothing as it was from 3 to 5 persons... Amaral decided he knew better.. He didnt

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2018, 02:18:54 PM »
That's davels favour mantra.  As Amaral knew what ALL the evidence was and davel doesn't, I know who has most credibility.

Amaral didn't understand  the evidence.. Fact... I do... Fact

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2018, 02:29:56 PM »
That's davels favour mantra.  As Amaral knew what ALL the evidence was and davel doesn't, I know who has most credibility.

You are making an assumption  that amaral has more evidence on the McCann's.... That's, all it is.. An assumption
Amaral didn't have a clue... Imo ...And still doesn't
« Last Edit: August 16, 2018, 02:32:36 PM by Davel »

Offline kizzy

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2018, 02:48:36 PM »
If Amaral was not a one man band who took it upon himself to defame legally innocent people ... why do you set so much store by what he says?

He was sacked from Madeleine's case by his superiors in the Policia Judiciaria so why you would think his opinion is of value ... his superiors most certainly did not.

Snip
Gonçalo Amaral, coordinator of the Judicial Police of Portimão, was dismissed this afternoon, after criticizing investigators of the English police who collaborate in investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, confirmed the PUBLIC.
https://www.publico.pt/2007/10/02/sociedade/noticia/maddie-coordenador-da-pj-de-portimao-demitido-apos-criticas-a-policia-inglesa-1306369


He was sacked from Madeleine's case by his superiors in the Policia Judiciaria so why you would think his opinion is of value ... his superiors most certainly did not.

You don't know his superiors wanted rid of him  either - that is only your opinion.


IMO it was because his opinion was of value - that is why they wanted rid of him.[certain english politics]

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According to a British correspondent, the Prime Minister personally called Stuart Prior to ask for confirmation of my dismissal. Why would the head of the British government be interested in a lowly Portuguese official? We refuse to believe the rumours going around, according to which the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon was dependent on my dismissal. Rumours, of course, nothing more. I cannot help but think that for the first time in its history, the judiciary police has dismissed a simple official from his post because of external pressure

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AMARALS_BOOK_ENGLISH.htm#abc19



Offline kizzy

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2018, 03:05:02 PM »
If Amaral was not a one man band who took it upon himself to defame legally innocent people ... why do you set so much store by what he says?

He was sacked from Madeleine's case by his superiors in the Policia Judiciaria so why you would think his opinion is of value ... his superiors most certainly did not.

Snip
Gonçalo Amaral, coordinator of the Judicial Police of Portimão, was dismissed this afternoon, after criticizing investigators of the English police who collaborate in investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, confirmed the PUBLIC.
https://www.publico.pt/2007/10/02/sociedade/noticia/maddie-coordenador-da-pj-de-portimao-demitido-apos-criticas-a-policia-inglesa-1306369

from your portuguese link above.....took of case for criticising english police

IMO he was right to do so then and now.


NELSON GARRIDO / PUBLIC (ARCHIVE)
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Gonçalo Amaral, coordinator of the Judicial Police of Portimão, was dismissed this afternoon, after criticizing investigators of the English police who collaborate in investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, confirmed the PUBLIC.

The order to end the commission was signed today by the National Directorate of the PJ, hours after the "Diário de Notícias" published statements by the official, who accused British investigators of investigating "only" what was appropriate to the parents of the British child.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2018, 03:06:14 PM »

He was sacked from Madeleine's case by his superiors in the Policia Judiciaria so why you would think his opinion is of value ... his superiors most certainly did not.

You don't know his superiors wanted rid of him  either - that is only your opinion.


IMO it was because his opinion was of value - that is why they wanted rid of him.[certain english politics]

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According to a British correspondent, the Prime Minister personally called Stuart Prior to ask for confirmation of my dismissal. Why would the head of the British government be interested in a lowly Portuguese official? We refuse to believe the rumours going around, according to which the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon was dependent on my dismissal. Rumours, of course, nothing more. I cannot help but think that for the first time in its history, the judiciary police has dismissed a simple official from his post because of external pressure

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AMARALS_BOOK_ENGLISH.htm#abc19

Amaral gives no source for this claim... So it has no validity

Basically just gossip

Offline Brietta

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2018, 03:09:21 PM »
Amaral was merely an evidence gatherer, it was up to the prosecutor who to make arguido.

Exactly so in my opinion ... was it therefore appropriate for him to take upon himself the role of judge jury and prosecution and decide that he alone "knew" what had happened to Madeleine.
To forge a career out of his "knowledge" which was certainly inferior to that of the Portuguese authorities and the Policia Judiciaria under Rebelo who understood the significance of evidence within a lawful context.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2018, 03:19:14 PM »

He was sacked from Madeleine's case by his superiors in the Policia Judiciaria so why you would think his opinion is of value ... his superiors most certainly did not.

You don't know his superiors wanted rid of him  either - that is only your opinion.


IMO it was because his opinion was of value - that is why they wanted rid of him.[certain english politics]

.


According to a British correspondent, the Prime Minister personally called Stuart Prior to ask for confirmation of my dismissal. Why would the head of the British government be interested in a lowly Portuguese official? We refuse to believe the rumours going around, according to which the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon was dependent on my dismissal. Rumours, of course, nothing more. I cannot help but think that for the first time in its history, the judiciary police has dismissed a simple official from his post because of external pressure

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AMARALS_BOOK_ENGLISH.htm#abc19

Oh, I see ... the proud Portuguese State allowed itself to be subordinate to the English?  I very much doubt that.

And the arrogance of the man if not the utter stupidity to insinuate (only a rumour though) that he had to be sacked or no Lisbon Treaty.
WOW ... what an ego!   
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2018, 04:10:42 PM »
That isn’t the same as the SC judges defamed the McCanns which is what Rob said.
You read my post wrongly.  I said  "IMO The SC judges agreed he did, ..."  IMO the judges were aware that Amaral had defamed the McCanns.    I'm not saying the SC judges defamed the McCanns.  Davel has got it correct.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What exactly are the repercussions of 'not being cleared' ?
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2018, 04:15:40 PM »
True but they would have been had they scarpered like Kate said Gerry wanted to do when their lawyer announced the night before that they were going to to be made arguidos.
Is that from Kate's book?  I must have missed that bit.  Cite please.
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