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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2018, 09:42:59 AM »
Well is it just me then.  "It’s time for some people to face facts - the police are not wasting time and resources focusing on the McCanns.  If the McCanns were their only suspects then there is nothing the police can practically do to further their case against them, and like the first time round they would have had no option but to shelve the case once again, which would have happened some time ago. IMO."

This was the tricky bit for me "- the police are not wasting time and resources focusing on the McCanns."  I find that can give two meanings.
 
1.  Supporter view: "The police are not wasting time and resources, as they would, if they focused on the McCanns.

2.  Or the sceptic view "The police are not wasting time and resources if they would focus on the McCanns."
I understand.  My point is that there is nothing left to investigate as far as the McCanns involvement is concerned.  No forensics, no CCTV, no witnesses to the deed to what (little) there was in 2007.  If the Mcacanns truly are the prime suspects what have both police forces been doing for the last 5 years and what have they been spending millions on?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2018, 10:10:42 AM »
We have been told in the past by Rowley that a burglary gone wrong hasn’t been ruled out. What have SY/PJ been doing for 5 years if it was a simple burglary gone wrong ? Or if a lone, opportunist paedophile was the perpetrator? What investigative opportunities would take 5 years to follow up ? And the input of the CPS in a case were Portugal has primacy. What is that all about ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2018, 10:22:48 AM »
We have been told in the past by Rowley that a burglary gone wrong hasn’t been ruled out. What have SY/PJ been doing for 5 years if it was a simple burglary gone wrong ? Or if a lone, opportunist paedophile was the perpetrator? What investigative opportunities would take 5 years to follow up ? And the input of the CPS in a case were Portugal has primacy. What is that all about ?
Well for a start they made a bunch of suspected burglars arguidos and questioned them presumably.  Have they made the McCanns arguidos recently, or questioned them about what their mate told them when he or she grassed them up, allegedly?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Robittybob1

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2018, 10:26:32 AM »
In my theory the Tapas 7 have told SY what happened, but that would only explain why Madeleine left the building and it doesn't explain why she has NOT been found. 
Mark Rowley said something like "However Madeleine left the apartment she was abducted", which basically means "we know why she left the building but we don't know who abducted her" IMO.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2018, 09:59:55 AM by John »
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Offline faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2018, 10:57:45 AM »
I assume it would be easy to make Portuguese nationals living in Portugal arguidos. Not so easy British nationals living in the UK. Perhaps that’s why the input of the CPS was needed.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2018, 11:03:46 AM »
I assume it would be easy to make Portuguese nationals living in Portugal arguidos. Not so easy British nationals living in the UK. Perhaps that’s why the input of the CPS was needed.
And when did that happen, and why haven't they been successful in reconstituting the McCanns as arguidos?  In any case, if a British national informs the police that another British national has been involved in fraudulent activity involving the disposal of another British national abroad are you telling me the police in this country are powerless to arrest said suspect and question him in this country?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2018, 11:11:38 AM »
What type of abduction do members think it would take investigative work by 2 police forces over 7 years and counting to unravel ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #52 on: July 04, 2018, 11:16:55 AM »
What type of abduction do members think it would take investigative work by 2 police forces over 7 years and counting to unravel ?
Why don't you list the different types of abduction and we'll tell you what we think.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #53 on: July 04, 2018, 11:17:24 AM »
What type of abduction do members think it would take investigative work by 2 police forces over 7 years and counting to unravel ?

A stranger abduction... It's much easier to solve if family or friends are involved

Offline Robittybob1

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2018, 12:21:30 PM »
A stranger abduction... It's much easier to solve if family or friends are involved
Especially when the early investigation has gone off in the wrong direction. 
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Offline Brietta

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2018, 01:19:06 PM »
I assume it would be easy to make Portuguese nationals living in Portugal arguidos. Not so easy British nationals living in the UK. Perhaps that’s why the input of the CPS was needed.

I think you may well have hit the nail right on the head there. 
There were many suspects who had not been interviewed and many persons of interest who had not been interviewed.

Assuring as the thread title acclaims ...  'The McCanns are Not Suspects'



CPS lawyers travel to Portugal to explore Madeleine McCann leads
Senior prosecutors have travelled to Portugal to explore new leads in the Madeleine McCann case amid speculation that Scotland Yard is about to open a new investigation into the child’s disappearance.


By Victoria Ward7:33PM BST 21 Jun 2013

Alison Saunders, London's chief crown prosecutor, and her deputy Jenny Hopkins, head of the complex casework unit, discussed the inquiry with their Portuguese counterparts.

It is the first time CPS lawyers have visited the country in connection with the Yard’s £5 million review of the case.

A CPS spokesman confirmed that prosecutors had travelled to Portugal with officers from the Metropolitan Police “to discuss possible next steps”.

The two-year review has identified several potential suspects who have not been interviewed and detectives have indicated that they need to be questioned in order to be eliminated or pursued further.

More than 20 people "of interest", including Britons, have been uncovered. They also include known child offenders who were in the Algarve at the time Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.


Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has agreed to fund a new full-scale investigation and an announcement is expected within the next few weeks.

A new inquiry would allow police to interview suspects in Britain, although they would seek the assistance of the Portuguese to carry out investigations there.

Kate and Gerry McCann’s spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said they would not comment publicly while the review, code-named Operation Grange, continues.

"They remain grateful, however, to the UK authorities for the work being done to establish what happened to Madeleine and to bring those responsible for her abduction to justice,” he said.

The Portuguese inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance was shelved in 2008 amid fierce criticism.

Operation Grange, conducted by Scotland Yard's Homicide & Serious Crime Command, was launched in May 2011 following a campaign by the McCann family.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the police review, said last year that his team had identified 195 potential leads.

Scotland Yard also published an age-enhanced image of what Madeleine might look like today, aged nine, saying it had uncovered new information to suggest she could still be alive and living with her abductor.

Last month, Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell, the head of Scotland Yard's homicide and serious crime command, confirmed that they had identified "both investigative and forensic opportunities".

Officials in Portugal insist that, under their laws, the case can only be reopened if there is new concrete evidence but British investigators are confident that their new leads could provide a breakthrough.

As they marked the sixth anniversary of their daughter’s disappearance last month, Mr and Mrs McCann said they were encouraged by Operation Grange and that the police seemed "more determined than ever".

The couple's hopes were further reinforced by the recent discovery of Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight in Ohio, a decade after they went missing in separate incidents.

The McCanns said the rescue of the women "'reaffirmed" their hope of finding Madeleine, which has never diminished.

Madeleine, who was then nearly four, disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007, as her parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10135847/CPS-lawyers-travel-to-Portugal-to-explore-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html
« Last Edit: July 04, 2018, 01:21:38 PM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2018, 01:28:12 PM »
I think you may well have hit the nail right on the head there. 
There were many suspects who had not been interviewed and many persons of interest who had not been interviewed.

Assuring as the thread title acclaims ...  'The McCanns are Not Suspects'



CPS lawyers travel to Portugal to explore Madeleine McCann leads
Senior prosecutors have travelled to Portugal to explore new leads in the Madeleine McCann case amid speculation that Scotland Yard is about to open a new investigation into the child’s disappearance.


By Victoria Ward7:33PM BST 21 Jun 2013

Alison Saunders, London's chief crown prosecutor, and her deputy Jenny Hopkins, head of the complex casework unit, discussed the inquiry with their Portuguese counterparts.

It is the first time CPS lawyers have visited the country in connection with the Yard’s £5 million review of the case.

A CPS spokesman confirmed that prosecutors had travelled to Portugal with officers from the Metropolitan Police “to discuss possible next steps”.

The two-year review has identified several potential suspects who have not been interviewed and detectives have indicated that they need to be questioned in order to be eliminated or pursued further.

More than 20 people "of interest", including Britons, have been uncovered. They also include known child offenders who were in the Algarve at the time Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.


Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has agreed to fund a new full-scale investigation and an announcement is expected within the next few weeks.

A new inquiry would allow police to interview suspects in Britain, although they would seek the assistance of the Portuguese to carry out investigations there.

Kate and Gerry McCann’s spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said they would not comment publicly while the review, code-named Operation Grange, continues.

"They remain grateful, however, to the UK authorities for the work being done to establish what happened to Madeleine and to bring those responsible for her abduction to justice,” he said.

The Portuguese inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance was shelved in 2008 amid fierce criticism.

Operation Grange, conducted by Scotland Yard's Homicide & Serious Crime Command, was launched in May 2011 following a campaign by the McCann family.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the police review, said last year that his team had identified 195 potential leads.

Scotland Yard also published an age-enhanced image of what Madeleine might look like today, aged nine, saying it had uncovered new information to suggest she could still be alive and living with her abductor.

Last month, Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell, the head of Scotland Yard's homicide and serious crime command, confirmed that they had identified "both investigative and forensic opportunities".

Officials in Portugal insist that, under their laws, the case can only be reopened if there is new concrete evidence but British investigators are confident that their new leads could provide a breakthrough.

As they marked the sixth anniversary of their daughter’s disappearance last month, Mr and Mrs McCann said they were encouraged by Operation Grange and that the police seemed "more determined than ever".

The couple's hopes were further reinforced by the recent discovery of Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight in Ohio, a decade after they went missing in separate incidents.

The McCanns said the rescue of the women "'reaffirmed" their hope of finding Madeleine, which has never diminished.

Madeleine, who was then nearly four, disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007, as her parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10135847/CPS-lawyers-travel-to-Portugal-to-explore-Madeleine-McCann-leads.html

Over 5 years ago.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2018, 01:37:10 PM »
Over 5 years ago.
Have the CPS been over there more recently then?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline faithlilly

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2018, 01:38:50 PM »
Over 5 years ago.

And no named sources. If the information regarding the reasons for the CPS visiting Portugal are true  then someone is leaking like a sieve.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: “ The McCanns Are Not Suspects”
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2018, 01:41:01 PM »
And no named sources. If the information regarding the reasons for the CPS visiting Portugal are true  then someone is leaking like a sieve.
It wouldn’t be the first time.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly