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Offline Angelo222

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2021, 05:16:10 PM »
Yes Scott Lomax is a fraud

He’s had ample opportunity to make corrections to all the piffle he’s written on various cases over the years but chooses to let misinformation remain in the public domain

Is it even his real name?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2021, 05:40:35 PM »
Is it even his real name?

Good question
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2021, 05:47:45 PM »
Interesting spat in comments section here https://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2016/news/ex-weekly-editor-examines-possible-ripper-murders-for-tv-show/ between Scott Lomax and Don Hale

Lomax also wrote a book about ‘unsolved murders in and around Derbyshire’

He made false claims about convicted and exonerated murderer Stephen Downing

Again haven’t read the book - only seen the odd few paragraphs

I don’t trust anything he says or writes

He was involved in Barry George’s innocence fraud campaign too

And again wrote a couple of books

Gunfire Graffiti aka Andy Rigsby here
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11867.msg635470#msg635470

comments on one of them - here’s part of his comment

So many coincidences linking BG. More reference to a "professional hit". It was nothing of the sort. Comparing it to the murder of Serbian journalist Slavko Curuvija in Belgrade weeks earlier. No comparison, Curuvija was shot 13 times. The Jill Dando perpetrator was just lucky. He had no control over anything. Interesting how witnesses kept describing the likes of BG, dark haired, late 30's, height, dark clothing etc. Not a 6' 4" Afro-Caribbean in a T- shirt carrying a sports bag! He keeps referring to the impossible route BG would have taken home to place him at HAFAD in time, Gowan - Fulham Palace Road -Fulham Road. NO.....Gowan, right into Sidbury, right into Wardo then home. Simple. I've done it, anybody can. That's a naughty deception Scott and I can't believe you don't know that route. And the timings fit to HAFAD. BG's sister Michelle Diskin Bates who fought hard for his acquittal now supports the Jeremy Bamber campaign. Words fail me.

In time Mr Rigsby may come to recognise Michelle Diskin Bates as another fraud and no amount of grifting by her will ever see her brother compensated

Barry George murdered Jill Dando. Just as Bamber murdered Nevill, June, Sheila, Nicholas and Daniel
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Offline colsville

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #78 on: February 03, 2021, 08:53:48 PM »

If you want to make a youtube video outlining Jeremy Bambers guilt, then you need to keep it simple, to the point, and engaging.  Engaging is the really difficult bit.

The Youtube users that you are looking for are people who are new to the case, or they don't have the depth of knowledge to work out that the so-called new evidence is actually completely fabricated.

In my experience, the 'evidence' that is most convincing to the uninitiated is the stuff that says that Sheila was alive in the house whilst Bamber was outside with the police.

Even people who think he's guilty say that the evidence that say's Sheila was alive in the house means there is reasonable doubt, but they don't realise that its fake evidence.

The evidence that confuses them is down to three major Bamber lies.

 
BAMBER LIE 1: There was movement in the house as observed by PS Bewes.   

TRUTH: We know the 'movement' to have been a reflection of  moonlight against a window when Bewes was doing a recce of the house in the company of Jeremy Bamber himself.  Bewes has confirmed in interviews many times that the 'movement' was a trick of the light, and moving backwards and forwards he was able to recreate the visual effect.
   
Jeremy Bamber never mentioned this 'movement'  in witness statements, or in his police interviews, or at his trial.  And that's because no movement was actually seen.

BAMBER LIE 2: Firearms officers talking to Sheila in the house.

TRUTH: We know this to be fabricated evidence because Bamber has used a snippet of the firearms log along with a false narrative of that event.  Very easy to disprove. 
   
BAMBER LIE 3: The blood from Sheila's wounds were fresh and wet when the police entered the building, therefore she must have died whilst Bamber was outside the house with the police.
   
TRUTH: Whilst the blood from the actual wounds does look fresh and wet, the rest of the blood from the same wounds that had dripped onto Sheila's nightdress, is dark and dry.  These crime scene photos were publicly published during a time (early 2000's) when Bamber was legally represented by Giovanni De Stefano, who is a career criminal currently serving 21 years in prison for a number of frauds committed whilst pretending to be a lawyer. Only Bamber's legal representation can release documents to the public, so it looks like he had the images doctored, and then published them, possibly at Bamber's request. Carol Ann Lee, the author, has confirmed that the wet blood photos have been 'doctored', and has confirmed that the original crime scene photos show dry, cracked blood. 



I know that the above 3 points have been done to death in the past, but they haven't been done to death by the newbies, or casual observers.  So I think they are critical points to make.

There is a 15 minute video made by the Guardian newspaper, and that video contains all of the faked evidence that is very easy to disprove (including the points outlined above), but also, the points covered, creates the most confusion to newbies.

To be honest, you could just go through that Guardian newspaper video and disprove each point that that video makes, and most of the things that tricks people into believing he's innocent will be covered.

The points made in that video also happen to be the points that interest people.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2021, 09:51:10 PM »
If you want to make a youtube video outlining Jeremy Bambers guilt, then you need to keep it simple, to the point, and engaging.  Engaging is the really difficult bit.

The Youtube users that you are looking for are people who are new to the case, or they don't have the depth of knowledge to work out that the so-called new evidence is actually completely fabricated.

In my experience, the 'evidence' that is most convincing to the uninitiated is the stuff that says that Sheila was alive in the house whilst Bamber was outside with the police.

Even people who think he's guilty say that the evidence that say's Sheila was alive in the house means there is reasonable doubt, but they don't realise that its fake evidence.

The evidence that confuses them is down to three major Bamber lies.

 
BAMBER LIE 1: There was movement in the house as observed by PS Bewes.   

TRUTH: We know the 'movement' to have been a reflection of  moonlight against a window when Bewes was doing a recce of the house in the company of Jeremy Bamber himself.  Bewes has confirmed in interviews many times that the 'movement' was a trick of the light, and moving backwards and forwards he was able to recreate the visual effect.
   
Jeremy Bamber never mentioned this 'movement'  in witness statements, or in his police interviews, or at his trial.  And that's because no movement was actually seen.

BAMBER LIE 2: Firearms officers talking to Sheila in the house.

TRUTH: We know this to be fabricated evidence because Bamber has used a snippet of the firearms log along with a false narrative of that event.  Very easy to disprove. 
   
BAMBER LIE 3: The blood from Sheila's wounds were fresh and wet when the police entered the building, therefore she must have died whilst Bamber was outside the house with the police.
   
TRUTH: Whilst the blood from the actual wounds does look fresh and wet, the rest of the blood from the same wounds that had dripped onto Sheila's nightdress, is dark and dry.  These crime scene photos were publicly published during a time (early 2000's) when Bamber was legally represented by Giovanni De Stefano, who is a career criminal currently serving 21 years in prison for a number of frauds committed whilst pretending to be a lawyer. Only Bamber's legal representation can release documents to the public, so it looks like he had the images doctored, and then published them, possibly at Bamber's request. Carol Ann Lee, the author, has confirmed that the wet blood photos have been 'doctored', and has confirmed that the original crime scene photos show dry, cracked blood. 



I know that the above 3 points have been done to death in the past, but they haven't been done to death by the newbies, or casual observers.  So I think they are critical points to make.

There is a 15 minute video made by the Guardian newspaper, and that video contains all of the faked evidence that is very easy to disprove (including the points outlined above), but also, the points covered, creates the most confusion to newbies.

To be honest, you could just go through that Guardian newspaper video and disprove each point that that video makes, and most of the things that tricks people into believing he's innocent will be covered.

The points made in that video also happen to be the points that interest people.

Would be interested to know how much money the Guardian has made out of Bamber’s innocence fraud over the years
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2021, 10:13:40 PM »
BAMBER LIE 3: The blood from Sheila's wounds were fresh and wet when the police entered the building, therefore she must have died whilst Bamber was outside the house with the police.
   
TRUTH: Whilst the blood from the actual wounds does look fresh and wet, the rest of the blood from the same wounds that had dripped onto Sheila's nightdress, is dark and dry.  These crime scene photos were publicly published during a time (early 2000's) when Bamber was legally represented by Giovanni De Stefano, who is a career criminal currently serving 21 years in prison for a number of frauds committed whilst pretending to be a lawyer. Only Bamber's legal representation can release documents to the public, so it looks like he had the images doctored, and then published them, possibly at Bamber's request. Carol Ann Lee, the author, has confirmed that the wet blood photos have been 'doctored', and has confirmed that the original crime scene photos show dry, cracked blood. 

I don’t suppose there was any ‘possible’ about it

Bamber’s innocence fraud has been organised
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2021, 10:36:05 PM »
Would be interested to know how much money the Guardian has made out of Bamber’s innocence fraud over the years

‘Willing journalist’

Ex con lands job at Guardian reporter - Oct 2013

’A criminal record as long as your arm isn’t the usual prerequisite for a job at The Guardian – but then the paper hasn’t previously employed a prison correspondent.

This week it revealed that former career criminal Eric Allison had got the job. Allison, 60, has served a total of 15 years in prison, mainly for theft, including spells at Strangeways, Durham, Wormwood Scrubs and Wandsworth.

He says he began writing as a way of protesting about injustices in the prison system and applied for the prison correspondent’s job after seeing it advertised in The Guardian. Allison has co-written a book about the 1990 Strangeways prison riot.

He said: “Once I started protesting through writing, I built up a network of people and the screws had to be careful, because I had backing on the outside. They’ve driven people to suicide. But they’d never drive me to suicide, because I wanted to know what was going to happen next.”

Allison will write about all aspects of prisons across the news and features sections of the paper.

Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger said: “We don’t know enough about what goes on inside our prisons. Eric’s experience will give us a unique insight into lots of different aspects of penal policy and importantly he will help give a voice to serving prisoners.”

The appointment of Allison follows on from the success of the weekly G2 column by serving prisoner Irwin James, which will continue

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/ex-con-lands-job-as-guardians-prison-reporter/

Eric Allison is the Guardian's prisons correspondent. He was born in Manchester in 1942. His first conviction was for housebreaking when he was 11 and, at 14, he received his first custodial sentence. He spent some 16 years in prison, all for theft-related offences. In 1990, he co-authored a book on the Strangeways prison protest, A Serious Disturbance

Innocence Fraud’ Demands Prosecutor Vigilance
“A common thread in many exonerations is the use of willing journalists to front load a post conviction investigation with the construction of an innocence narrative. Indeed this can also be a problem in typical criminal investigations where the press jumps to conclusions about a suspects guilt. But in post conviction litigation, the passage of time makes it far easier to sell the alternative narrative as being legitimate. (John M Collins)
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Offline Truth SKR1

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2021, 11:16:45 PM »
Thanks Coalville, I think it may well be worth refuting those 3 common misconceptions and hoax's that are commonly paraded to suggest his innocence. They can be easily defeated seeing Sheila alive in the house wasn't brought up by Bamber for years following. Nobody out of dozens of people have reported to seeing or speaking to anyone alive in the house. A fraudulent interpretation of documents seems to be the basis of these claims.

Offline Truth SKR1

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #83 on: February 03, 2021, 11:21:30 PM »
Nicholas, the Guardian and The Mirror's coverage of the case, in which they have presupposed an MOJ and printed unsubstantiated claims and fraudulent photographs has been relentless and disgraceful.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2021, 11:23:14 PM »
BAMBER LIE 3: The blood from Sheila's wounds were fresh and wet when the police entered the building, therefore she must have died whilst Bamber was outside the house with the police.
   
TRUTH: Whilst the blood from the actual wounds does look fresh and wet, the rest of the blood from the same wounds that had dripped onto Sheila's nightdress, is dark and dry.  These crime scene photos were publicly published during a time (early 2000's) when Bamber was legally represented by Giovanni De Stefano, who is a career criminal currently serving 21 years in prison for a number of frauds committed whilst pretending to be a lawyer. Only Bamber's legal representation can release documents to the public, so it looks like he had the images doctored, and then published them, possibly at Bamber's request. Carol Ann Lee, the author, has confirmed that the wet blood photos have been 'doctored', and has confirmed that the original crime scene photos show dry, cracked blood. 

innocence activism can be as vulnerable to incompetence and corruption as the rest of the criminal justice system. The only question that remains is how long mainstream journalists can ignore the seriousness of post conviction litigation and the questionable tactics that are sometimes used in the exoneration of convicted felons’
John M Collins - ‘Crime Lab Reports An Anthology on Forensic Science in the Era of Criminal Justice Reform‘ (2019)
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2021, 11:31:24 PM »
Nicholas, the Guardian and The Mirror's coverage of the case, in which they have presupposed an MOJ and printed unsubstantiated claims and fraudulent photographs has been relentless and disgraceful.

It has been I agree. But this has happened in numerous other innocence fraud cases over the years. Bamber’s isn’t an isolated fraudulent ‘campaign’.

Suspect they’ll always be a dozen or so hangers on - and Yvonne and Philips zoom chats - but Bamber’s campaign is over.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2021, 12:00:10 AM »
BAMBER LIE 1: There was movement in the house as observed by PS Bewes.   

TRUTH: We know the 'movement' to have been a reflection of  moonlight against a window when Bewes was doing a recce of the house in the company of Jeremy Bamber himself.  Bewes has confirmed in interviews many times that the 'movement' was a trick of the light, and moving backwards and forwards he was able to recreate the visual effect.
   
Jeremy Bamber never mentioned this 'movement'  in witness statements, or in his police interviews, or at his trial.  And that's because no movement was actually seen.

Ha, Sandra Lean promotes this lie on her you tube channel https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KmlWcVBU4f8

She says:
Published on 17 Jan 2020
‘Two films, same year, two and a half minutes to expose the differences in one officer's account, 26 years after the event. Decide for yourself - who saw movement in the house while Jeremy Bamber was outside with the police? (Clue, police statements reveal firearms officers reported talking with someone in the house ... while Jeremy Bamber was outside with police).
I don't own the copyright to either of these clips - they're credited at the end.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2021, 12:09:46 AM »
Ha, Sandra Lean promotes this lie on her you tube channel https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KmlWcVBU4f8

She says:
Published on 17 Jan 2020
‘Two films, same year, two and a half minutes to expose the differences in one officer's account, 26 years after the event. Decide for yourself - who saw movement in the house while Jeremy Bamber was outside with the police? (Clue, police statements reveal firearms officers reported talking with someone in the house ... while Jeremy Bamber was outside with police).
I don't own the copyright to either of these clips - they're credited at the end.


I’d not seen the above write up until today. I clicked on the comments underneath and it appears Sandra Lean has another one of her daughters defending her?!
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Offline Truth SKR1

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2021, 07:26:00 AM »
I think the "talking with someone inside the farm" is the weakest and most obvious subversion of the truth of the three. And it's stiff competition. It's pure word play. It's interesting that we don't have access to Bews police statement or court transcript, and nothing else from Mayall other than the court transcript where the "trick of the light" stuff isn't mentioned. No doubt the missing stuff contains a whole lot of corroboration which is useless to Bamber and his cohorts for the purpose of manipulation and fraud.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?
« Reply #89 on: February 04, 2021, 07:55:36 AM »
I think the "talking with someone inside the farm" is the weakest and most obvious subversion of the truth of the three. And it's stiff competition. It's pure word play. It's interesting that we don't have access to Bews police statement or court transcript, and nothing else from Mayall other than the court transcript where the "trick of the light" stuff isn't mentioned. No doubt the missing stuff contains a whole lot of corroboration which is useless to Bamber and his cohorts for the purpose of manipulation and fraud.

Of course it does - like the evidence of the alleged drug/date rape by Bamber on the female from the Chequers public house

Their manipulation and fraud is blatant
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