Forensics

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Who was the "Police Surgeon" who attended the scene..

Note: It is a fundamental responsibility of the police to preserve life. Police officers
should not assume a person is dead unless the circumstances are obvious, for
example, a badly decomposed body. Otherwise a police surgeon should attend the
scene to pronounce life extinct.

Or did they not bother with the Police Surgeon as i believe they were aware she was dead early on in the Investigation..

Once an incident has been deemed a suspicious death or homicide, the coroner for
that area must be notified. The SIO has responsibility to notify the coroner
immediately that an investigation is underway.

pg156

The Investigation into Joanna Yeates death had to be Immediate... And the throng of Officers at the scene tells us they knew it was "MURDER"...

I am presuming that The Corner was notified Immediately... 

11.4.3 CRIME SCENE ATTENDANCE
The SIO should be clear about why they want a Home Office pathologist to attend a
scene. If the SIO is of the opinion that the investigation would benefit from it, they
should insist that the pathologist attends before the body is moved. This should first
be discussed with the coroner

pg157

Attending The Crime Scene.. Dr Delaney Home Office Pathologist...

The SIO retains overall responsibility for all the crime scenes and directs all
investigative activity. The pathologist must not attend scenes until the SIO is
satisfied the initial crime scene assessment examinations have been completed
and that the body can be removed from the scene without detriment to the
investigation. Premature attendance of a pathologist at a scene can place the SIO
under pressure to remove the body.

firstly who was the SIO on the 25th December 2010??

Initial Crime Scene Assessment examination

How long does it take to complete the initial crime Scene assessment ?? What could they see or what did they know that indicated that Joanna Yeates had been "Murdered"... According to The Police they didn't know that Joanna Yeates had been strangled for days... Yet we have here clear instructions of what the "then" SIO had to do to inform the coroner and the Pathologist...

If they cannot touch the body until the Pathologist has seen it... how did they determine that Joanna Yeates had been Murdered???

As I posted yesterday... Was she inside a suitcase/holdall.... That would give a clear indication that this was a Murder!!

We know that Dr Delaney was summoned around noon... Which gave 3 hours for the SIO to make his assessment of the Crime Scene.... Is 3 hours long enough ?? They say that Joanna Yeates was found on the grass verge on Longwood lane... But what did they "Miss" out??

I believe she was in a suitcase/container... There has to be something to make the Police behave in the manner they did on that day being 25th December 2010...



http://library.college.police.uk/docs/APPREF/murder-investigation-manual-redacted.pdf

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11.4.3.1 Briefing the Pathologist

Prior to an attendance at the crime scene the SIO should brief the pathologist, in
writing where possible, and ensure the needs of the investigation are fully
communicated. The following key areas should be included in the briefing:
• Identity of the body if known;
• History of the body – including the medical history of the victim, drugs found at
the scene and actions taken or developments since the discovery of the body;
• Timescales concerning the finding of the body, the last sighting and any other
significant times which may impact upon an estimation of the time of death;
• Any additional information received from other experts if appropriate;
• Initial evidence from witnesses;
• Scope and priorities of the investigation;
• Any special evidential expectations and requirements of the scene examination
and post-mortem.
At the briefing, the pathologist, in liaison with the SIO, the CSM and other physical
evidence experts, will evaluate the available information and identify:
• Health and safety issues in relation to the scene of discovery of the body and
the personnel involved in the examination of that scene;
• Evidential issues raised by the circumstances of death and how these issues are
best approached;
• Risk of contamination posed by the circumstances of the case, and the
measures that are required to prevent such contamination;
• How the examination of the scene and body should be approached;
• The best location for the autopsy and, if possible, an approximate time of arrival
at that location.
Pathologists should make a detailed, dated and timed record of the briefing.
Pathologists must record full details of the scene and the body, and document both
their own actions and those of others that may be significant to the pathologist’s
examination.

When did the SIO brief Dr Delaney??

Why was Dr Delaneys attendance at court skimmed over... The information that he had about this case from his initial briefing with the SIO and him being summoned to the scene, should have been covered at trial...

11.4.3.2 Taking Specimens at the Scene

It is essential that no specimens be taken from the body until there has been
consultation between the pathologist and the CSM. SOCOs and forensic scientists, if
present, should be consulted.

Where it is considered likely that trace evidence may be shed or contaminated by
manipulation of the body into the body bag, it may be advisable to remove some or
all of the clothing at the scene. All specimens should be taken using only equipment
supplied or approved by the SOCO. If clothing is to be cut, only instruments supplied
by them should be used.

Dr Delaney arrived at what time at the scene ???  Where LGC Forensic there already??

When did Dr Delaney consult with LGC??

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11.4.5 VICTIM IDENTIFICATION

*In the majority of cases, the identity of the victim will be known and they can be
positively identified by a relative or friend.
Whenever possible, identification should
be made before the post-mortem examination takes place by two independent
people.

*This may not be possible where contamination issues cannot be managed
appropriately or if a member of the victim’s family is a suspect. Viewing the deceased
is facilitated by the family liaison officer (FLO) through the coroner’s office.

*It is of paramount importance to discover the identity of a victim as soon as possible
where it is unknown. On occasions, the body may be mutilated or have been
concealed for such a time that post-mortem changes make recognition impossible.

*The detailed examination of the deceased for evidence of identity is a specialised
task for the pathologist and other experts. The following methods of identification
will assist in identifying the victim where the body is decomposed, dismembered or
otherwise unsuitable for visual identification:

• Fingerprints;
• Dental records;
• DNA profiling;
• Tattoos, scars and other unusual marks;
• Property and clothing;
• Jewellery;
• Facial reconstruction.

Which 2 Independent people made the identification of Joanna Yeates??

Who identified her before the post mortem??

I remember them saying they identified her "White Watch"... According to "Victim Identification" jewellery identification is a why to identify someone who is..

The following methods of identification
will assist in identifying the victim where the body is decomposed, dismembered or
otherwise unsuitable for visual identification:

So why was Joanna Yeates "white watch" even mentioned if she hadn't started to decompose??


http://library.college.police.uk/docs/APPREF/murder-investigation-manual-redacted.pdf

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11.4.6 TIME AND CAUSE OF DEATH

Evidence of the time of death based on factual evidence, such as when the victim
was last seen or when they were found dead, tends to be more accurate than that
based on the condition of the body and its immediate environment. Estimations by
the pathologist can be liable to error. A pathologist is more likely to provide a range
of times between which death occurred. However, even an approximate time of
death can be invaluable in narrowing TIE parameters or providing information for
the suspect interview strategy. It is, therefore, important that the SIO obtains from
the pathologist some indication of the time period within which death has occurred.

Uncollected mail and newspapers may give an indication of the approximate time
and date of death. The condition of the environment, the presence of food and dirty
dishes, and last sighting of the victim can also be useful indicators. Consideration
should be given to using timelines to assist in determining the facts.
Forensic analysis of alcohol levels may also be useful. Alcohol back-calculations in
Road Traffic Act cases are well established and based on sound data. Similar
conclusions about the time that has elapsed since drinking can often be drawn in
fatal cases.

Where the time and contents of a last meal are known, the degree of digestion can
assist in establishing a time of death. Stress, however, can slow down the digestion
process and this should be discussed with the pathologist, especially in cases where
the victim has been held hostage.

The cause of death should be included in the pathologist’s report and explained in
both plain English and in medical terms. If the victim suffered multiple injuries the
pathologist will, in the majority of cases, be able to identify which of these
caused death.

The cause of death is a pivotal factor in an allegation of homicide. It is, therefore,
essential that the SIO fully understands the cause of death identified by the
pathologist, and their reasons for coming to this conclusion. The SIO must be
prepared to draw on material generated by the investigative team to assist and
challenge the pathologist’s conclusions.

The cause of death should be included in the pathologist’s report and explained in
both plain English and in medical terms. If the victim suffered multiple injuries the
pathologist will, in the majority of cases, be able to identify which of these
caused death.

Dr Delaney sent Joanna Yeates stomach contents all the way up to Scotland to Dr Miller, so how could they have determined the cause of death as strangulation/ compression of the neck, if by the time the Police have told the media the cause of death they haven't got the stomach contents analysed ??

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skynewsgatherer
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Dr Miller examined a sample taken from the stomach of Joanna Yeates. #VincentTabak
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2:08 PM - 18 Oct 2011Twitter
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Dr Miller was trying to identify when Joanna experienced trauma, or died, which would have stopped her digestive system working.

2:11 PM - 18 Oct 2011Twitter
skynewsgatherer
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Joanna Yeates' last meal was the portion of cheesy chips she shared with her boyfriend on their lunch break.

2:14 PM - 18 Oct 2011Twitter
skynewsgatherer
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Dr Miller tells court it was very likely that death or severe trauma occurred within 8 to 10 hours of her last meal. #JoYeates

The couldn't collect any stomach contents until the body have fully thawed, Dr Delaney doesn't complete his autopsy until the 28th December 2010.

What recorder dates does Dr Miller have for examining the contents of Joanna Yeates stomach?
Would Dr Miller who is in Scotland... rush the stomach contents examination for Dr Delaney??

How long do each of these test take ??

When did Dr Miller receive the contents of Joanna Yeates stomach??

They couldn't determine the cause of death of Joanna Yeates until her stomach contents had been tested for drugs etc... They would not know for sure if something else had not contributed to Joanna Yeates death...

Where there any other injuries to Joanna Yeates that were not give at trial??

Thinking about it.. Dr Miller couldn't have received the stomach contents by the 28th December 2010, then herself testing them and getting the results back to Dr Delaney, for him to determine cause of death ...

How many days would it take for her body to full thaw in the first place??

Again ..

The cause of death is a pivotal factor in an allegation of homicide. It is, therefore,
essential that the SIO fully understands the cause of death identified by the
pathologist, and their reasons for coming to this conclusion. The SIO must be
prepared to draw on material generated by the investigative team to assist and
challenge the pathologist’s conclusions.

Did Dr Delaney have all the information to hand when he said that the cause of death was strangulation/compression of the neck??

It's difficult to see how, if he hasn't got the report from Dr Miller by the time the cause of death is made official on the 28th December 2010!!


http://library.college.police.uk/docs/APPREF/murder-investigation-manual-redacted.pdf
http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Vincent_Tabak_Trial3?Page=1

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11.4.3.3 Removal of the Body

When a scene has been assessed, the pathologist will usually supervise the
packaging and subsequent removal of the body. If trace evidence has not been
collected at the scene, the deceased’s hands may be placed in bags before the body
is removed. If the head is to be similarly placed in a bag, it must be remembered that
any open head wound is likely to shed blood into the bag during transit. This may
obscure such details as the direction of dried bloodstains and make it difficult to
collect trace evidence. It is advisable to examine the head for such material at the
scene, where applicable.

On arrival at the autopsy room the body should remain undisturbed, still in its
wrapping or body bag, until the pathologist arrives to undertake the examination.
This is unless any different action has previously been agreed with the SIO, or other
person designated by the SIO, for some specific purpose.
The SIO is responsible for ensuring continuity of the body. They must designate an
officer to accompany the body from the crime scene to the post-mortem
examination room, and to identify the body to the pathologist.

By the Afternoon of the 28th December 2010 DCI Phil Jones gets Introduced to the media and is the "NEW" SIO

Jon Stratford in the begining of the video says as he address the media...

Good Afternoon ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming here today.. Can I also thank you for the patience you showed yesterday when we were forced to postpone the er.. this press conference until today...

I would like to introduce Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones..Phil is the Senior Investigating Officer (SIO) in this Investigation.

Ok... when did they know for a "FACT" that Joanna Yeates had died from Strangulation/neck compression???
It has to be before the 27th December 2010..

This from DCI Phil Jones at the Leveson....

The ~]oanna Yeates missing person and murder investigation

13. A media strategy was put in place by the SIO at the outset when the missing
person investigation commenced. I was not the original SIO. In those early
stages the objective was to maximise publicity in order to find Joanna, The
strategy was then further developed by the SIO with assistance from CCD when
it became a murder inquiry, It is important to bear in mind that the media
strategy, like any other, has to be kept under continual review as the

investigation develops. I was appointed as SIO on 27th December 2010 and in
consultation with CCD continued to develop the media strategy as the
investigation grew,

I was appointed as SIO on 27th December 2010

Now looking at the first quote the SIO has to follow the change of command with the body, why would you switch SIO's before the autopsy has been completed???

Was Joanna Yeates autopsy completed before the 27th December 2010?? Giving less than 2 full days in which to thaw a body and have the stomach contents analysed in Scotland and them result being returned to Dr Delaney ??

How did they send the stomach contents to Scotland by the 27th December 2010 when a body can't have thawed ??

Dr Miller cannot have received the stomach contents by the 27th December 2010... So when did she actually receive them??

   27 DEC 2010     UK
Joanna Yeates’ family lay floral tributes
The mother of Bristol architect Joanna Yeates broke down in tears today visiting the spot where her daughter’s body was found. Results of the post-mortem have yet to be revealed.

Miss Yeates’s body was formally identified by her parents today, but police cannot yet determine how she died.

So if the pathologist cannot perform his autopsy until formal identification takes place, by 2 independent people (EG.. The Parents)..  How did they manage to...

* Thaw the body

* Take stomach content samples

* Perform an autopsy

* Get all results back

Before the 27th December 2010 when they switched SIO's for the case ??? Impossible !! Why would they change the Change of Command??

How can they assure:The SIO is responsible for ensuring continuity of the body. If before the official cause of death has been established, we switch SIO's!!

https://www.channel4.com/news/joanna-yeates-family-lay-floral-tributes

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/APPREF/murder-investigation-manual-redacted.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8noQpXm0HQU

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122182731/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Witness-Statement-of-DCI-Phillip-Jones.pdf

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11:33 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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Dr Delaney is a forensic pathologist.
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11:36 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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Dr Delaney was on call on Christmas Day last year. He was called to longwood lane

11:42 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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Joanna's body was lying in a 'foetal' position facing the wall. There were no shoes.

11:49 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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Dr Delaney is describing how the body was removed from the scene. There was no sock on the right foot #Joannayeates

11:55 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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Delaney agrees there appeared to be blood stains in the hair of #Joannayeates'.

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Dr Delaney carried out an initial postmortem.

11:59 AM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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Court is shown images of #Joannayeates' body. #Vincenttabak covers his eyes with his hand

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#Joannayeates' parents are not in court today

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Dr Delaney carried out a further postmortem the following day.

12:38 PM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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Dr Delaney describing bruises and grazes on #Joannayeates' body

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#Joannayeates had injuries 'consistent with force being applied', says Delaney

12:49 PM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
juliareidsky
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Delaney says the injuries to her neck were consistent with force being applied #Joannayeates

12:50 PM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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Break to 1245 #Vincenttabak

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2:09 PM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
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Delaney says injuries show the skin had come into contact with a roughened surface or object.

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Dr Delaney says marks on #Joannayeates arms are consistent with 'grip marks from finger tip pressure'

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Dr Delaney carried out a further examination the following day.

How many examinations did Dr Delaney carry out ?? And on how many days?? why did the sky news reporter repeat that Dr Delaney carried out a further examination the following day... Is that 3 days that Dr Delaney did the post mortem over ??

2:52 PM - 14 Oct 2011Twitter
juliareidsky
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Dr Delaney did further examination on 31 Dec and observed another on Jan 17 by Dr White #Vincenttabak #Joannayeates

Why is Dr White doing a further examination before anyone is arrested and after Dr Delaney has already done one ??

So we have Dr Delaney doing examination on 3 days or more ??

25th December 2010 when he viewed Joanna Yeates on Longwood Lane

26th December 2010 ???

27th December 2010 ?? when the SIO's were changed

28th December 2010, when we got official conformation??

31st December 2010?

Dr Delaney said the body had been frozen rigid when it was recovered and he was initially unable to conduct a full post-mortem until it had fully thawed out.

So when was Joanna Yeates initially recovered?? if she was frozen solid, it would take more than 2 days for her body to thaw at a regulated temperature, so as not to have any tissue decomposing at a different rate..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8831300/Vincent-Tabak-trial-Joanna-Yeates-may-have-been-strangled-with-one-hand.html

http://live-news.sky.com/Event/Live_Updates_Vincent_Tabak_Trial2

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Blood found on Miss Yeates's pink T-shirt may have been deposited after her death, Dr Delaney added.

Now was it ever established who all the blood on Joanna Yeates belonged too??

Was it all hers ??? Or was that the other DNA profile they were talking about???

That sounds like someone was setting the scene..(imo)


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8831300/Vincent-Tabak-trial-Joanna-Yeates-may-have-been-strangled-with-one-hand.html

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From the Police Press conferences... DCI Phil Jones Confirming that the post mortem was concluded on the 27th December 2010...

Avon and Somerset Constabulary
Published on Dec 28, 2010

And I am leading that Murder Investigation... As you know the post mortem examination has taken longer than usual, because of the frozen condition of her body.. The Pathologist completed his examination last night..

So If Dr Delaney or Perhaps another Pathologist?? Stick with Dr Delaney, completed his examination on the evening of the 27th December 2010.. When did Dr Miller receive the stomach contents of Joanna Yeates ??

We have to let the body thaw... We all have to do our examinations of all the evidence to make sure nothing else contributed to her death..

So are we back to the suitcase/holdall? Was Joanna Yeates inside ?? What else could have been inside the suitcase/holdall? for them to know that Joanna Yeates death was a "Murder" from day one!!

How did Dr Delaney do his Initial examination if the body hadn't been identified until 27th December 2010 by her parents??

So when was Dr Delaneys initial examination??? Difficult to know, seeing as he compeleted the examination by the 27th December 2010

Nothing... and I mean nothing adds up in this case.... why is everyone ignoring the facts!

We now know that they changed SOI's before Dr Delaney completed the autopsy.... why ?? Or did they do the switch mid-way through???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8noQpXm0HQU

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The only way that the Police could conclude that Joanna Yeates had been Murdered by the 27th December 2010, was if she was found inside the suitcase/holdall, I cannot see how else they could come to that conclusion when the thawing of the body should have taken days!!... (imo)

They were treating it as a suspicious /murder on the 25th December 2010...

So where is the suitcase/holdall??

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Suitcase, holdall or TENT BAG...

What type of bag/holdall are they talking... They keep mentioning tents... Joanna Yeates wasn't underneath any Forensic tent... we have images of tents everywhere,

From Channel4 news (Channel 4 News reporter, Darshna Soni, )

Scaffolding and a green tarpaulin were erected at the rear of the substantial converted Victorian property today.

But in the actual video she says at 30 seconds:

Scaffolding was erected and a green tarpaulin tent

So if Joanna Yeates wasn't under any tents, was she in a Green Tent Bag/Holdall??


https://www.channel4.com/news/joanna-yeates-murder-police-search-neighbours-flat

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11.4.4 LIAISING WITH THE PATHOLOGIST
The role of the pathologist is not limited to the actual post-mortem, and there may
need to be regular contact between the SIO and the pathologist throughout the
investigation. This is particularly the case when evidence relevant to the injuries or
cause of death becomes available from witnesses, scientists or the offender. While
most communication will be conducted directly between the SIO and the
pathologist, the appointed coroner’s officer may also serve as a useful point of
contact. See 11.4.1.2 Coroner’s Officer.
The need for effective lines of communication between the SIO, coroner and
pathologist cannot be overemphasised. Photographs of the scene and the results of
an AIDs test must be relayed to the pathologist as soon as possible, as must any
other issues affecting the injuries or cause of death that become apparent during the
investigation. Results of subsequent forensic tests, especially toxicology, will be
essential in confirming the pathologist’s opinion.

Just to clarify.......

Results of subsequent forensic tests, especially toxicology, will be
essential in confirming the pathologist’s opinion.

So... Dr Miller couldn't have possibly got the stomach contents of Joanna Yeates and confirmed all the test by the evening of the 27th December 2010..

So.. They cause of death could not be established by Dr Delaney at this time...

Does someone want to question all that again!!

What was Joanna Yeates real cause of death??? There might have been signs of Compression of the neck..... But what was left out of the results ???





http://library.college.police.uk/docs/APPREF/murder-investigation-manual-redacted.pdf

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The image I have attached an circled, shows a Forensics Officer at the door of Joanna Yeates, he has a key and what appears to be a remote control...

Is the remote control for opening the second lock??

Maybe the second lock didn't need a key always...

 Is that the piece of broken console that is referred too.. Is it the remote for the door??

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Longwood lane had to mean something to the killer... It had to be a place of relevance.. Just looking at this image, the text below jumped out at me...

The image was taken in the summer... The image has a circled area on it... Was the circled area already on the image in the summer??  I mean I don't think the media circled it....

This is the area that the Police were looking at Forensics and the Rope Access Guys... who we saw exiting that area...

It brings more questions... like..

* Who had the aerial survey done??
* Was their plans for that particular area..
* What is actually in the circled area??
* Was something found there ??
* Did the Police take this image or have it taken for them??

Now I have another question... Was another investigation going on at the same time?? I know I have mentioned twin track... But It would makes sense to me if they found, something else at that location...  Because then I would understand the need for Karl Harrison forensic archaeologist ( maybe looking for human remains?)being at the scene...

He wasn't checking leaves (imo).. But they could have him make a statement to that effect... He may have moved leaves... But he was searching for something else and it wasn't Joanna Yeates!!! (imo)

Also it would make sense of Joe Goff being there and "ALL" of the many many many Police Officers, at that scene... Because there was more than one event taking place...(imo) So what evidence had the Police found in that area previously?? Did they find evidence in that area previously?? Or did they find evidence of another crime at that scene, besides Joanna Yeates Murder!!



This image shows where Miss Yeates' body was found on Christmas Day. The photograph is from an aerial survey taken in the summer

* Was something found there in the summer or a little later?
* Why did they published that image with that text??
* Had they been given information about that location??

                     
                           Someones trying to tell us something I believe..

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343359/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Heart-broken-boyfriend-Greg-Reardon-speaks-anguish.html#ixzz55NpuRNFW


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We have here a post in which Dr Delaney describes Joanna Yeates as wearing A pink Flowered patterned Top

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8057.msg442576#msg442576

There were apparent blood stains on her flower patterned pink top but no signs of injuries to her genitalia, Dr Delaney said.

We had Nigel Lickley describing it as "Long sleeved...

She had earlier eaten a plate of chips with her boyfriend.

"This was to be her last meal," Mr Lickley told the jury.Footage showed in a long-sleeved pink top and jeans, with a white watch.

"She was found (on Christmas Day) wearing this," Mr Lickley added.

The trial continues.

Joanna Yeates  in The Ram



Again image of Joanna Yeates in The Ram..



Dr Vincent Tabak could not have killed Joanna Yeates... end of... I keep saying this... Does 'Avon and Somerset Police" wish to comment?

Joanna Yeates was supposed to have been killed by Dr Vincent Tabak within minutes of her Joanna Yeates arriving home after she had left The Ram pub and had visited a few shops on her journey home...

That cannot be possible...

In the Ram Pub she is clearly wearing a short sleeved plain top.... Yet we have 2 descriptions of the top that she was found in on Christmas day....

It was a Long Sleeved, Flower Patterned Pink Top instead of the short sleeved plain top, that she was wearing at The Ram Pub....

How did the jury not notice??? They saw the images of Joanna Yeates,... were these images changed??

Where these garments ever brought to trial as evidence ?? Showing the blood staining??

You have one of three choices... either Joanna Yeates  didn't go home and had a change of clothes with her and was killed a lot later... Or who ever killed her re-dressed her...

Nigel Lickley talks of the Footage... So is there Footage of Joanna Yeates in The Hope and Anchor at lunchtime?? Or is he talking about the Footage taken when she has been found....??

If he means Lunchtime then when did Joanna Yeates go home to change her top to the one we see her wearing at The Ram... does that mean if the footage was from Lunchtime ..Joanna Yeates had been working from home as I had said was a possibility?? Then having Greg saying bye to her at home... But he doesn't say he's at home when he says goodbye to her in the lobby.. (Could be hallway).. Did Joanna Yeates have on a Long Sleeved top at The Hope and Anchor?? Or does Nigel Lickley actually mean when she was found on Christmas day she was wearing this Long sleeved top??

Either way.. Joanna Yeates was found in different clothing to that she was clearly seen wearing in the Ram...  There is NO talk of Dr Vincent Tabak re-dressing her... And if we take away the Long sleeved top... we still have Dr Delaneys description of the "Flower patterned Top".. which is evident she was not wearing at The Ram Pub...

Clearly proving that Dr Vincent Tabak didn't kill Joanna Yeates ..(imo)

When could he have had the time to re-dress her... They don't say at court that someone redressed her... which you would have imagined was vital information!

I would be interested to see this footage if it is in The Hope and Anchor... Because like the Nero Cafe Footage, we haven't seen this... Is Joanna yeates actually with Greg in The Hope and Anchor?? Is that why we haven't seen The Footage ???

Another possibility that has just sprung to mind was Joanna Yeates had the plain top in her rucksack at lunch time and changed her top at work when she was going for a drink... Meaning that the long sleeved top should have been inside the rucksack... But it wasn't!! We did hear of a "stripy Top" But Nigel Lickley doesn't described the Long sleeved top as stripy... He describes it as Long Sleeved and pink!

Yet I have found this.....

Footage of Miss Yeates at the Bristol Ram showed her in a long-sleeved pink top and jeans, with a white watch.

Does that mean the footage we see of a woman in The Ram Pub .. isn't Joanna Yeates ???  Or does it mean that the Footage we have seen was not taken on the 17th December 2010??

Because I could never understand why Greg had asked for images on The Facebook page for people only to send of Joanna Yeates with...

Greg Beardon 21 Decemnber 2010

Hi everyone, Thanks for the overwhelming messages of support and the noble effort of certain individuals to publicise Jo's disappearance.
Can I just ask people to only post photo's that match (or come close) her description when she was declared Missing.
That is with short, styled and dyed blond haircut and be at least from 2010 onwards. This is so no misleading photographs make their way into the media and are published that show Jo not as she would look if found.
Thank you

When Joanna Yeates is declared "Missing" There is no description what her hair was like the only image I remember are the early posters which have her with Long Hair... The date of his post is the day after she has been declared "Missing" I cannot find any articles from that date that describe Joanna Yeates hair..

Which brings me back to the question... What footage did the Jury see of Joanna Yeates wearing a 'Long Sleeved Pink Top' in The Ram Pub??  And is the footage that we see of Joanna Yeates in the Ram Pub either Not Joanna Yeates .. Or it was NOT taken on the 17th December 2010!

Edit.... Next question... when was she "DECLARED" Missing??  Declared is the wrong terminology... People are Reported Missing.... Then 'Declared" Dead !!

The only other people who are "declared" Missing ... tend to be soliders who are "Declared" Missing in Action!!

What strange terminology!!

Did Greg Reardon ever have any connection to the forces... maybe that would explain the way in which he talks....



https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/murdered-joanna-yeates-was-in-neighbour-s-car-boot-as-he-shopped-at-asda-1-3857053

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8817687/Vincent-Tabak-strangled-Joanna-Yeates-then-sent-text-saying-he-was-bored-court-hears.html

https://www.facebook.com/groups/169097479794933/

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Who was the original SIO??  Anyone know ??