Amaral and the dogs

[pegasus]

Very good explanation of false and true negatives and positives.  Also of interest was ...

Quote
In the case mentioned at the outset of this article, police attempted to determine whether a human remains detection dog could detect residual odor from a decomposing body they suspected had been transported some time earlier in a rental car.

The rental car, a subcompact, was placed in a police parking garage that was filled with various police vehicles.

The rental car was the only non-police vehicle, the only subcompact, and had out of state license plates, facts which
the dog handler admitted to having noticed.

A film of the event showed the dog passing by the subject rental car without alert until the handler drew the attention of the dog to it again.
United States v. Anderson (E.D. Mich. Case No. 2003 CR 80602) Unquote.


The McCann rental vehicle was covered with Madeleine posters ... so hardly a 'blind' inspection.

Peeps seem to be imagining this was a test of one suspect vehicle and a dozen known-clean vehicles.
It wasn't.
Every vehicle there was a vehicle of interest to the investigation.
Every vehicle was being tested.

[sadie]

Peeps seem to be imagining this was a test of one suspect vehicle and a dozen known-clean vehicles.
It wasn't.
Every vehicle there was a vehicle of interest to the investigation.
Every vehicle was being tested.

Oh is that so?

Why didn't Martin keep calling Eddie back to the other vehicles as he did with the Mccann car then?

[pegasus]

Oh is that so?

Why didn't Martin keep calling Eddie back to the other vehicles as he did with the Mccann car then?

He did. It's in the extended vehicle video. He calls the Eddie back to other vehicles. And cues Eddie to examine certain areas on other vehicles. All the vehicles were of interest, all the vehicles were connected directly or indirectly to T9 or RM.

[sadie]

He did. It's in the extended vehicle video. He calls the Eddie back to other vehicles. And cues Eddie to examine certain areas on other vehicles. All the vehicles were of interest, all the vehicles were connected directly or indirectly to T9 or RM.

Can we see the extended vehicle video please

[pegasus]

Can we see the extended vehicle video please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8#t=4312

[sadie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8#t=4312

Thanks Pegasus, will have a look at it later.

Medical appointment this morning, so am in a dash

[Eleanor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8#t=4312

Revealed in all it's glory.  I wonder how much Martin Grime got paid for that farce.

And incidentally, Eddie never at any time reacted to CuddleCat, or even to the cupboard in which the toy was hidden.

[pathfinder73]

Revealed in all it's glory.  I wonder how much Martin Grime got paid for that farce.

And incidentally, Eddie never at any time reacted to CuddleCat, or even to the cupboard in which the toy was hidden.

I think secondary transfer was on CC so a weaker scent and it had a good wash and clean. Another suspicious action before the dogs arrived. Reverted to puppy toy play mode so it was hidden.

Police Dog Training Instructor
Uk Police
January 1984 – August 2007 (23 years 8 months)
Police Dog Training Instructor
Human remains search.

Cornwall, UK
A woman was reported missing by her partner. A search of the suspects
house by the EVRD was conducted who indicated on the living room carpet.
No forensic evidence was recovered. Subsequently a diary written by the
suspect was alert indicated by the dog. The diary had written extracts that the
offender had laid the victim on the carpet whilst dead, the diary had in fact
been written by the suspect having handled the body. This was confirmed by
the offender in interview.

[ferryman]

I think secondary transfer was on CC so a weaker scent and it had a good wash and clean. Another suspicious action before the dogs arrived. Reverted to puppy toy play mode so it was hidden.

Police Dog Training Instructor
Uk Police
January 1984 – August 2007 (23 years 8 months)
Police Dog Training Instructor
Human remains search.

Cornwall, UK
A woman was reported missing by her partner. A search of the suspects
house by the EVRD was conducted who indicated on the living room carpet.
No forensic evidence was recovered. Subsequently a diary written by the
suspect was alert indicated by the dog. The diary had written extracts that the
offender had laid the victim on the carpet whilst dead, the diary had in fact
been written by the suspect having handled the body. This was confirmed by
the offender in interview.

The thing I find most interesting about that account is an absence -- no name to the case.

Why not?

[Eleanor]

I think secondary transfer was on CC so a weaker scent and it had a good wash and clean. Another suspicious action before the dogs arrived. Reverted to puppy toy play mode so it was hidden.

I don't see how it could be a weaker scent for any reason since Eddie didn't react to CuddleCat at all.  Or the cupboard.

CuddleCat wasn't in that cupboard for very long, so the scent can hardly have drifted away from the object, and left the object all together.

But I agree that Martin Grime might have tried reverting to puppy play mode, but it didn't work, did it.  Eddie didn't find it.

But I did so love the look on Martin Grime's face when he produced it.  Pity about Eddie.

[Admin]

Sending a single dog handler to PdL was the mistake they made. The fact that a journalist with questionable credentials was involved renders the entire fiasco extremely suspect.

[pathfinder73]

I don't see how it could be a weaker scent for any reason since Eddie didn't react to CuddleCat at all.  Or the cupboard.

CuddleCat wasn't in that cupboard for very long, so the scent can hardly have drifted away from the object, and left the object all together.

But I agree that Martin Grime might have tried reverting to puppy play mode, but it didn't work, did it.  Eddie didn't find it.

But I did so love the look on Martin Grime's face when he produced it.  Pity about Eddie.

If your clothes are in direct contact with a cadaver then a stronger contaminated scent will be on the clothes than if you touched a cadaver with your hands and then picked something else up like a diary or a toy i.e. secondary transfer. I think everybody can agree with that conclusion. Direct contact with a cadaver will be a stronger scent.

[Eleanor]

Sending a single dog handler to PdL was the mistake they made. The fact that a journalist with questionable credentials was involved renders the entire fiasco extremely suspect.

And he is so proud of these videos that he's got his name stamped all over them, in your face.

And just who did put CuddleCat in that cupboard?  Whose idea was that?

[Eleanor]

If your clothes are in direct contact with a cadaver then a stronger contaminated scent will be on the clothes than if you touched a cadaver with your hands and then picked something else up like a diary or a toy i.e. secondary transfer. I think everybody can agree with that conclusion. Direct contact with a cadaver will be a stronger scent.

So where and to what did this happen?

[pathfinder73]

So where and to what did this happen?

The obvious explanation from the dog alerts is that the missing child died in the apartment and after handling the cadaver CC was placed on the bed and was a part of staging.