Amaral and the dogs

[Mr Gray]

More cut and paste.

Now just tell me which part of the forensic report showed the presence of pig remains ?

[Mr Gray]

More cut and paste.

Now just tell me which part of the forensic report showed the presence of pig remains ?

first its copy and paste not cut and paste so you are wrong there
second it's providing a cite which is something you should take note of

[Eleanor]

first its copy and paste not cut and paste so you are wrong there
second it's providing a cite which is something you should take note of

Does it not say, "From a report by Martin Grime"?

None of your old MSM rubbish then.

[stephen25000]

first its copy and paste not cut and paste so you are wrong there
second it's providing a cite which is something you should take note of

You knew exactly what I meant.

Now tell me dave, in the forensic report, where does it show that any of the organic material came from any pig residue ?

[Mr Gray]

You knew exactly what I meant.

Now tell me dave, in the forensic report, where does it show that any of the organic material came from any pig residue ?

fortunately I do know what you meant...just pointing out you criticised others when you are wrong yourself.
For the millionth time no one knows what eddie alerted to...even Grime doesn't know

[stephen25000]

fortunately I do know what you meant...just pointing out you criticised others when you are wrong yourself.
For the millionth time no one knows what eddie alerted to...even Grime doesn't know

What pig residue was found in the samples collected dave ?

[Mr Gray]

What pig residue was found in the samples collected dave ?

why are you asking me ..I've never mentioned pig residue

[ferryman]

Snipped from a report by Martin Grime read what it says at the end of this report.

 In my role as advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States. These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I introduced decomposing pig cadavers into training assessments 100 % of the animals alerted to the medium. (The products were obtained from whole piglet cadaver not processed food for human consumption). The result from scientific experiments and research to date is suggestive that the scent of human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train' the dog to distinguish between the two. That is not to say that this may not be possible in the future.


So Martin Grime is saying he is unable to train the dog to distinguish between human and pig scent.    He has also said Eddie will alert to blood,   we know Eddie alerted to blood from live human beings himself and Gerry McCann there is blood in pig whether it is decayed or not,  Eddie would not be able to distinguish between the two.


   

Hmmmmm!

This is from the enquiry into the Haut de La Garenne fiasco:

DCO HARPER replied in the same e-mail string ‘to be fair to him [Grimr]
though, he hasn’t got much down time as he is also the NPIA search
coordinator and is fully employed’. CO POWER replies ‘Thanks.
Better understood now’. CO POWER does not appear to pursue the
matter further.
3.10.15 However, DCO HARPER’s reply was not factually accurate.
Martin GRIME was neither an NPIA search advisor nor fully
employed. In his statement, Martin GRIME states that ‘I am a Subject
Matter Expert registered with the UK National Policing Improvement
Agency and specialist homicide canine search advisor… I advise
Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the
operational deployment of police dogs in the role of homicide
investigation. I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable
evidence by the use of dogs and facilitate training’. His expertise lay
purely in the use of dogs in searching, not as a 'search co-ordinator'.
3.10.16 OFFICER X notes that during conversation with X, CO POWER
accepted that ‘the dog was ‘probably unreliable’

[Lace]

More cut and paste.

Now just tell me which part of the forensic report showed the presence of pig remains ?

I can give you a link to this article if you want?

You are still missing the point I am making.

Eddie alerted in the bedroom after being called back numerous times,    he could have alerted to the scent from the garden where someone had walked it in,   especially as he also alerted when he was in the garden.

The scent could have been from the fertiliser they use on the garden which may have contained pig blood or bones.

Understand now?

[Lace]

I really can't understand how Grime can  say Eddie will not alert to pork other than from decaying pigs,  when he says himself that they cannot be trained to distinguish between human and pig remains,   and also admits that Eddie will alert to blood even showing a video of himself hiding a sample of blood [from himself] for Eddie to find.

Blood is in Pork fresh or decaying,   Eddie would not be able to distinguish between the blood in pork and the blood in humans fresh or decaying.

[Carew]

It`s just the latest "on trend" idea causing a bit of excitement.......originating from the idea of pig based fertiliser possibly tracked about everywhere from the garden on shoes and paws.

It`ll be rotting horse- dung from the road sprayed up around the hire car next.

[Lace]

It`s just the latest "on trend" idea causing a bit of excitement.......originating from the idea of pig based fertiliser possibly tracked about everywhere from the garden on shoes and paws.

It`ll be rotting horse- dung from the road sprayed up around the hire car next.

Are you saying it could NOT have been pig based fertiliser that Eddie alerted to?   What did he alert to in the garden Carew?

[Carew]

It`s just the latest "on trend" idea causing a bit of excitement.......originating from the idea of pig based fertiliser possibly tracked about everywhere from the garden on shoes and paws.

It`ll be rotting horse- dung from the road sprayed up around the hire car next.

Erm....this post hasn`t been edited by Eleanor in any way. Why say it has been?

[Carew]

Are you saying it could NOT have been pig based fertiliser that Eddie alerted to?   What did he alert to in the garden Carew?

Isn`t pig-residue of some sort the trending idea, as I posted, then?

Any evidence to back the pig-based fertiliser ?

[Alice Purjorick]

good someone posting on topic...so how long does residual scent last...1 month...2 months ...3 months

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