Amaral and the dogs

[ferryman]

The obfuscation eight years down the line is entirely due to Mr Amaral's interpretation or misinterpretation ... understanding of misunderstanding.

Erm .... YES!

[ferryman]

It wasn't until after the press had brought her up in the press that she was interviewed at all (unless an early interview is missing from the files).

Yes.  Several months after the crime.

That was very lax.

But by Inspector Carlos, for whom I have a genuinely high regard.

[Carana]

A further point, there, Shining, is that Amaral, apparently, felt he understood forensics well enough to contradict and correct Stuart Prior on interpretation of the forensics.

Of course, we can't judge that because we don't see Stuart Prior's report.

But Amaral was certainly surrounded by people who did understand the forensics and who would willingly have explained them to him if he'd asked.  But (again, according to his book) he had British personnel put under secret surveillance, because he didn't trust them ....

Lowe's email was trying to be helpful by explaining the basics of DNA.

A point that appears to have been studiously ignored by some is that Corte Real is interviewed in his "documentary"... and AGREES with Lowe.

Amaral could have faxed what he'd got from Lowe via Prior to Corte Real and simply picked up the phone and ASKED him for his opinion, instead of coming to all kinds of bizarre conclusions.

[Brietta]

What I find rather more than a teensy bit inexplicable is posters, whilst believing and maintaining that Eddie cannot be "unlearned," .........(so the work or play mode can`t apply, ).........from alerting to an almost unlimited number of contaminants tracked about and deposited just about everywhere;   never-the-less manage to reconcile it with the fact that he didn`t do so.

They still bang on about how many substances Eddie would alert to.

As to your point about Keela`s role...........Wasn`t she sent in following an alert by Eddie in order to pinpoint any actual forensic sample which could lead to the identification of the person to whom it belongs?

Not one of the posters to whom you refer is voicing an opinion ... without exception all quote references to scientific studies ~ reports ~ including the comments made by Mr Grime.

[pathfinder73]

It makes me feel quite sad that Amaral based his theory solely on the alerts of the dogs.   The one behind the sofa was probably a speck of blood [not Madeleine's]   there was nothing on the curtains nothing on the wall.   Eddie alerted to the bedroom, to what is unknown and to the garden again unknown and neither alert was investigated enough to get to the bottom of them.   Then Eddie alerted to the car to what who knows again as the sample from the car showed DNA from three people maybe as many as five.   The idea that the McCann's put a frozen Madeleine in the car is ludicrous to the extreme,   but still all these alerts are being used as evidence against the McCann's and Madeleine is still missing   

You don't know the human blood Keela alerted to behind the sofa and in the boot wasn't Madeleine's.

How is there room for speculation about the DNA tests? It was those results that allowed you to advance with the arguido status.

GA: The speculation is done by the scientist who performs the test. He starts out by saying, in his preliminary report, that it was easy to say that it was Maddie. Then he raised other questions. Of course nobody can be accused, based on that data alone.

[ferryman]

You don't know the human blood Keela alerted to behind the sofa and in the boot wasn't Madeleine's.

How is there room for speculation about the DNA tests? It was those results that allowed you to advance with the arguido status.

GA: The speculation is done by the scientist who performs the test. He starts out by saying, in his preliminary report, that it was easy to say that it was Maddie. Then he raised other questions. Of course nobody can be accused, based on that data alone.

There's never been a dispute that Madeleine's DNA (distinct from Madeleine!) might well have been in the boot.

But as an aficionado of the dogs, on this occasion, you should pay heed to the dog.

Eddie never alerted to the boot.

Why is that?

[pathfinder73]

There's never been a dispute that Madeleine's DNA (distinct from Madeleine!) might well have been in the boot.

But as an aficionado of the dogs, on this occasion, you should pay heed to the dog.

Eddie never alerted to the boot.

Why is that?

He alerted to the source of the scent i.e. where it was escaping from the car. The source could be the boot because the whole car would be full of scent.

[ferryman]

He alerted to the source of the scent i.e. where it was escaping from the car. The source could be the boot because the whole car would be full of scent.

The source of the scent was Gerry's blood on the ignition key.

That is forensically proved.

[Alice Purjorick]

The obfuscation eight years down the line is entirely due to Mr Amaral's interpretation or misinterpretation ... understanding of misunderstanding.

The McCanns were made arguido(a) on 7th Sept 2007. Sr Amaral was given a DCM on or about 3rd Oct 2007 ceasing to be involved in the case as a consequence. The case was archived back end July 2008.
It is interesting , if Sr Amaral The Boogah Man had it all round his neck as you suggest, that the arguido status was not lifted earlier. Maybe those that followed had been indoctrinated?

[Carew]

In the end, though..........the forensic results were inconclusive and that`s how it stands.

 (and never described as "non-existent" )

[pathfinder73]

The source of the scent was Gerry's blood on the ignition key.

That is forensically proved.

Yes but you can't rule out both on the key - blood and cadaver scent contaminated.

[ferryman]

Yes but you can't rule out both on the key - blood and cadaver scent contaminated.

Yes you can.

Before fraudster-Levy tampered with it, the video of the vehicle search clearly showed Grime, at one point, directing Eddie to the rear boot compartment of the car. 

Eddie squats under the boot for several seconds, but he doesn't react. then he gets up and wanders off, only to be returned once more by Grime.

Despite every opportunity, and even encouragement, Eddie just never reacted to the boot of the car.

[Carew]

The source of the scent was Gerry's blood on the ignition key.

That is forensically proved.

As we have been through before..........the blood on the ignition key being Gerry`s does not confirm the absence of cadaver scent originally from another source being detected by Eddie.

[ferryman]

As we have been through before..........the blood on the ignition key being Gerry`s does not confirm the absence of cadaver scent originally from another source being detected by Eddie.

Eddie reacted twice in different places to the same scent and the same article, confirmed as having Gerry's DNA on it.

An aside is that, in inspecting 10 vehicles simultaneously, there was risk of innocent scents in any of the other 9 cars, which could only have resulted in confusion for the dog.

That also makes a mockery of the (apparent) prior reconnoitre in the gym, almost certainly cribbed from translated instructions on how to conduct canine searches in buildings and vehicles handed to the PJ by Mark Harrison.

The rumour that he also handed an untranslated copy to Grime for him to read cannot be confirmed ....

[misty]

As we have been through before..........the blood on the ignition key being Gerry`s does not confirm the absence of cadaver scent originally from another source being detected by Eddie.

Where & when does Keela first mark the key fob?