Amaral and the dogs

[Lace]

Anyone else think there would have been more blood behind the sofa if Madeleine had hit her head and bled?

I find it strange that if Madeleine had fallen hit her head and bled behind that sofa,   that a larger area of tiles would have had some blood under them.

Just a tiny miniscule of blood under one tile.

[Mr Gray]

You have read about other dogs and other experts, but two dogs and one expert were involved in this case.The handler had trained and used Eddie for years, so in my opinion he is the only expert who can comment on the dog's capabilities. Eddie alerted in two ways. When he barked with his head in the air he was alerting to a scent he had been trained to find, but the source of the scent wasn't there. This is what he did in the bedroom. When he barked at a certain spot, the source of the scent was still there. That's what he did behind the sofa, as Keela confirmed.

Grimes opinion was that Eddie alerted to cadaver scent contamination in the bedroom. Not blood, toenails, dead pigs or fertilizer, he alerted to the smell of a dead human being. I will take the word of the man who had the dog since he was a puppy, who trained him and used him for eight years over any other opinions relating to other dogs and other circumstances.

The dogs don't 'think' by the way, their response is a Pavlovian response, a simple cause and effect operation. They smell something, they alert. After eight years of deployment Eddie wouldn't have been used if he was unreliable. He wouldn't have still been working if he alerted to all sorts of random substances.

Grime never said that...you are perpetuating lies.  Your's...and the whole sceptic case is based on a lie

[pathfinder73]

Anyone else think there would have been more blood behind the sofa if Madeleine had hit her head and bled?

I find it strange that if Madeleine had fallen hit her head and bled behind that sofa,   that a larger area of tiles would have had some blood under them.

Just a tiny miniscule of blood under one tile.

Q: What do you think is the meaning of the blood behind the sofa?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id173.html

[ferryman]

Q: What do you think is the meaning of the blood behind the sofa?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id173.html

In traces so minute you needed a dog to find it?

Who knows.

Could have been anything.

[stephen25000]

Grime never said that...you are perpetuating lies.  Your's...and the whole sceptic case is based on a lie

Grime is not a forensic scientist either.

It was never his job to interpret the results of the forensic examination.

[ferryman]

Grime is not a forensic scientist either.

It was never his job to interpret the results of the forensic examination.

Neither was it his job to express erroneous opinions about "cadaver scent".

But he did.

[Mr Gray]

Grime is not a forensic scientist either.

It was never his job to interpret the results of the forensic examination.

read the post...I am referring to the fact that it is a lie to say Grime said the dogs alerted to cadaver scent

[ferryman]

Q: What do you think is the meaning of the blood behind the sofa?

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id173.html

Which of those articles from the link should we be reading?

[pathfinder73]

Which of those articles from the link should we be reading?

A: Possibly from an attempt at resuscitation. (GA)

[stephen25000]

read the post...I am referring to the fact that it is a lie to say Grime said the dogs alerted to cadaver scent

Now more crucially, did he say they didn't ?

[Mr Gray]

Now more crucially, did he say they didn't ?

no he didn't...but anyone with any intelligence...and that rules a few out...understands that the alerts may or may not be to cadaver scent...not that they are

[Carana]

A: Possibly from an attempt at resuscitation. (GA)

Why did the forensics cop need resuscitating? His was the only DNA that provided a reasonable match.

[stephen25000]

no he didn't...but anyone with any intelligence...and that rules a few out...understands that the alerts may or may not be to cadaver scent...not that they are

Dogs don't have an agenda.

They are trained to respond to certain stimuli.

These dogs did.

[Lace]

Dogs don't have an agenda.

They are trained to respond to certain stimuli.

These dogs did.

What stimuli is the question though isn't it?

What stimuli did Eddie alert to in Jersey?

What was Grime's explanation for the alert that Eddie give in Jersey?

[ShiningInLuz]

Why did the forensics cop need resuscitating? His was the only DNA that provided a reasonable match.

The FSS got two matches in the area, one from the forensics chappie under the tile, thus presumably deposited after the tile was lifted, and another from on top of a tile.  The spot on top of the tile matched Madeleine (according to the FSS) but in miniscule quantity and not tested for or identified as blood.

Gonçalo was speculating as to what might have happened re alerts and some DNA from Madeleine.