Amaral and the dogs

[carlymichelle]

I'm, afraid to disappoint you, but when has accidental death been disproved.

Likewise, they can look for an abductor until the cows come home, but it doesn't mean one ever existed.

There is no substitute for facts.

Now tell me, where is there factual indisputable  evidence of abduction ?

brietta lives   in a  pretty nieve  fantasy world about the mcanns  imo

[ferryman]

That's an old one ferryman.

What about secondary transfer ?

It would be hardly surprising in the circumstances.

Thanks to the record of the PJ in the Madeleine enquiry, we know how searches are supposed to be conducted.

You get a dog to screen an area in advance to rule out pre-existing scents, then you inspect whatever you want to inspect.

If the area where the coconut was tested was not pre-screened before testing of the actual coconut, then Grime didn't do his job properly.

[stephen25000]

and here's one for those who say dogs can't be trained to detect specific substances.

' 47,000 PHOTOS & 3000 VIDEOS of Child Pornography on a hidden flash drive which was found by a sniffer dog '

http://archive.greatfallstribune.com/videonetwork/4445679263001/Electronic-sniffer-dog-found-Jared-Fogel-s-flash-drive-with-child-porn-stash

[stephen25000]

Thanks to the record of the PJ in the Madeleine enquiry, we know how searches are supposed to be conducted.

You get a dog to screen an area in advance to rule out pre-existing scents, then you inspect whatever you want to inspect.

If the area where the coconut was tested was not pre-screened before testing of the actual coconut, then Grime didn't do his job properly.

Can you provide the categorical evidence that the dogs did not alert to a body in the mccann case ?

[ferryman]

and here's one for those who say dogs can't be trained to detect specific substances.

' 47,000 PHOTOS & 3000 VIDEOS of Child Pornography on a hidden flash drive which was found by a sniffer dog '

http://archive.greatfallstribune.com/videonetwork/4445679263001/Electronic-sniffer-dog-found-Jared-Fogel-s-flash-drive-with-child-porn-stash

Out of curiosity who (at least here!) has ever said dogs can't be trained to detect specific substances?

[Alice Purjorick]

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20WiltshireOperationHavenRedacted%2020081112%20JN.pdf

I have posted it quite a few times as have others ... guess what, I Googled it ... pity your search engine seems to be kaput.

Groundhog day!

[stephen25000]

Out of curiosity who (at least here!) has ever said dogs can't be trained to detect specific substances?

The implication has been quite clear.

Perhaps you should read through certain mccann supporters comments, as regard this.

[Brietta]

and here's one for those who say dogs can't be trained to detect specific substances.

' 47,000 PHOTOS & 3000 VIDEOS of Child Pornography on a hidden flash drive which was found by a sniffer dog '

http://archive.greatfallstribune.com/videonetwork/4445679263001/Electronic-sniffer-dog-found-Jared-Fogel-s-flash-drive-with-child-porn-stash

I'm not even going to follow the link you have given since the premise you give is an entirely erroneous one.  I have not seen a single poster on here quibbling about what a dog can be trained to sniff out nor decrying their capability to do so.
The problem you have is in failing to perceive that whatever the dog smells must be quantifiable so that the human end of the equation knows exactly what he is trying to convey.

That confirmation in the unknown 'alerts' given by Eddie was absent and his 'alerts' made suspect and worthless by his actions around cuddlecat and the clothing in the gymnasium.
Basing a hypothesis on suspect data is not the way forward just as reliance on one cadaver dog which seems to alert at the drop of a hat and for no good reason is.

[Brietta]

Out of curiosity who (at least here!) has ever said dogs can't be trained to detect specific substances?

                                I have never seen such a claim made on this Forum.

[G-Unit]

I think you'll find that my opinion of how the dogs work (in conjunction with their handler) is widely shared.

The inquiry by Wiltshire Police into the Haut de la Garenne fiasco was deeply scathing of the role of Grime with his dogs.

I haven't read the report completely, but i have skimmed it. The report was critical of the Police officers in charge of the investigation. I found criticism of the decision to use Grime in a role other than that of dog handler. I found criticism of officers telling the media about unconfirmed findings following the dog alerts. I found no direct criticism by the inquiry of Grime. If anyone can cut and paste the section showing criticism of Grime and his dogs by the inquiry I would be most grateful.

[Alice Purjorick]

I haven't read the report completely, but i have skimmed it. The report was critical of the Police officers in charge of the investigation. I found criticism of the decision to use Grime in a role other than that of dog handler. I found criticism of officers telling the media about unconfirmed findings following the dog alerts. I found no direct criticism by the inquiry of Grime. If anyone can cut and paste the section showing criticism of Grime and his dogs by the inquiry I would be most grateful.

There are some negative comments in witness statements but nothing in the Inquiry conclusions.
But it keeps turning up like the proverbial bad penny.

[Lace]

I'm, afraid to disappoint you, but when has accidental death been disproved.

Likewise, they can look for an abductor until the cows come home, but it doesn't mean one ever existed.

There is no substitute for facts.

Now tell me, where is there factual indisputable  evidence of abduction ?

There doesn't have to be evidence of abduction Stephen,  thank god you are not a police officer.

Anyway that question was off topic.

[Lace]

and here's one for those who say dogs can't be trained to detect specific substances.

' 47,000 PHOTOS & 3000 VIDEOS of Child Pornography on a hidden flash drive which was found by a sniffer dog '

http://archive.greatfallstribune.com/videonetwork/4445679263001/Electronic-sniffer-dog-found-Jared-Fogel-s-flash-drive-with-child-porn-stash

Can you tell me what that has to do with cadaver dogs Stephen?

[stephen25000]

There doesn't have to be evidence of abduction Stephen,  thank god you are not a police officer.

Anyway that question was off topic.

No evidence, no case, no prosecution.

As to policing , the mccanns and associates should all have been interviewed formally at the start of the SY investigation.

They have never said they did, as they have with other people.

[stephen25000]

Can you tell me what that has to do with cadaver dogs Stephen?

You are kidding, aren't you ?