Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[Brietta]

The alerts have only been corroborated in respect of the hire car and the old blood behind the sofa; the necessary criteria to corroborate anything else as specified by Martin Grime didn't happen.

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The interpretation of any alert is given when the dogs recognize a specific odour as a result of a response to the behaviour for which they were trained. This response must then be submitted to a forensic examination in order to draw conclusions.
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The dogs' alerts are to be considered as an area of interest or possible testing. When specific and reliable this can only be measured for confirmation.
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Every alert can be subject to interpretation, it has to be confirmed.
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Once the alert has been given by the dog, it is up to the investigator/forensic scientist to locate, identify and scientifically provide the evidence of DNA etc;
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Forensic confirmation and specialized investigation methods will determine the reasons and the suspicions. In order to undoubtedly affirm there must be a confirmation of the alert signals made by the dog.
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They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.
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http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

[Brietta]

What would be the point of Martin Grime and the concept of detection dogs if they were to be dismissed so readily. All those unsafe convictions in airports for people being sniffed out for crystal meth secreted in their rear fire escapes, all those caches of PIRA semtex that turned out to be modelling clay that we never found in the provinces, those useless, unreliable dogs, goddamit. I'm rambling again. PTSD.

Dogs cannot be guaranteed to be 100% fail safe ... whatever they may be trained to sniff out ...

French police 'lose' explosives at Marseille airport
Sniffer dogs fail to find explosives during training exercise and gendarmes apparently forget where they hid them

Kim Willsher in Paris
Wed 2 Jul 2014 10.53 BST

French gendarmes in Marseille face being disciplined after reportedly "losing" explosives during a training exercise.

The officers were believed to have hidden the 100g block C-4 plastic explosive – known to experts as a form of Composition C – in the freight section at the city airport for their sniffer dogs to find.

However, the sniffer dogs failed to find the explosives and the gendarmes apparently forgot where they had hidden them.

"There was a surveillance failure," a local official told La Dépêche newspaper. "The explosive was lost." However, he insisted that without a fuse there was no real danger.

C-4, which is similar to semtex, is said to be very stable and able to withstand physical shocks without exploding. During the Vietnam war, American soldiers would sometimes burn small amounts of the explosive to heat their rations.

An inquiry is under way to see if there is a case for official sanctions or legal action against the gendarmes.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/02/french-police-lose-explosives-marseille-airport

[G-Unit]

He was asked twice if the alert confirmed cadaverine... He dodged the question both times imo

I was unable to find the word 'cadaverine' in any of the 14 questions I saw.

[Sunny]

He was asked twice if the alert confirmed cadaverine... He dodged the question both times imo

Can you give a cite for this Davel. I have looked and read the rogatory statement and I can't see where it is.

Perhaps you can help me.

[Robittybob1]

Can you give a cite for this Davel. I have looked and read the rogatory statement and I can't see where it is.

Perhaps you can help me.

Cadaverine is a specific chemical with the molecular formula C5H14N2

Cadaver and Cadaverine can be a misspelling.  I'm sure Davel meant cadaver in his prior posts.

[Mr Gray]

Can you give a cite for this Davel. I have looked and read the rogatory statement and I can't see where it is.

Perhaps you can help me.

'With respect to the cadaver odour on Kate's clothes, could it be undoubtedly affirmed that those clothes had been in contact with a cadaver'


Grime dodged the question.. The answer is yes or no

[Venturi Swirl]

So a remarkable scent to have contaminate anything whilst on a family holiday and your daughter is missing.
David Payne - no scent, Fiona - no scent, Russ - no scent, thingy - no scent, Janie - no scent, Kate - dog goes postal.
The odds are incalculable.

Swedish Bloke says he murdered a bunch of people and brought their body parts to a clearing in a forest.  Cadaver dog is brought to the spot as directed by Swedish bloke.  Dog alrets to multiple spots in the clearing.  Swedish bloke goes to jail for a long, long time until it turns out he was innocent all along and had nothing to do with the murders.   Of all the spots in Sweden he should choose to take the polcce and their dogs to, he chose somewhere contaminated by invisible cadavers.  The odds are incalculable.

[Robittybob1]

'With respect to the cadaver odour on Kate's clothes, could it be undoubtedly affirmed that those clothes had been in contact with a cadaver'


Grime dodged the question.. The answer is yes or no

It is the role of the interviewing officer to make sure all questions were answered.

[G-Unit]

'With respect to the cadaver odour on Kate's clothes, could it be undoubtedly affirmed that those clothes had been in contact with a cadaver'


Grime dodged the question.. The answer is yes or no

The answer is not yes or no.

[Robittybob1]

Then it should have a caveat.. They were not corroborated.

You say it as fact but he said it as opinion.   We are not comparing like with like.

[G-Unit]

It is the role of the interviewing officer to make sure all questions were answered.

I think he just provided written answers rather than being interviewed. I wonder where and what the Progresso National Police Agency is or was.

Sam Harkeness of the Progresso National Police Agency sent me by email several written questions sent by the Judicial Police together with a request for a written deposition.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

[The General]

Swedish Bloke says he murdered a bunch of people and brought their body parts to a clearing in a forest.  Cadaver dog is brought to the spot as directed by Swedish bloke.  Dog alrets to multiple spots in the clearing.  Swedish bloke goes to jail for a long, long time until it turns out he was innocent all along and had nothing to do with the murders.   Of all the spots in Sweden he should choose to take the polcce and their dogs to, he chose somewhere contaminated by invisible cadavers.  The odds are incalculable.

Was this in a film?

[Venturi Swirl]

Was this in a film?

No, real life.  Google “Swedish serial killer that never was” .

[Venturi Swirl]

It’s actually worse that I remembered:


"During the course of the investigation, Quick mentioned at least 24 different places in Sweden and Norway where he had committed murders, handled dead bodies or left body parts," says Leyla Belle Drake, who was Hannes Råstam's literary agent. "Zampo marked for human remains 45 times at those 24 locations. Not a single trace of blood or body parts was ever found. The dog is just as bad as the rest of them."

Now calculate the odds of THAT happening.

[Lace]

Passing by more than once in an uninterested way... If there cadaver why no alert the first time

Exactly!!    What use would that have been when searching for a cadaver out doors?    Grime couldn't have found the cadaver and hidden it in a cupboard then could he?