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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on September 11, 2013, 11:28:14 PM
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So far we have been told that Michael Wright, Kate's cousin and David Edgar, their last PI will be called as witnesses. What exactly these witnesses can tell us about the night of the 3rd or the damage allegedly done to the search for Madeleine remains unclear. Surely the McCann's close friends the Paynes, or indeed any of their friends who were present, would be able to give more insight into the events of that night and what about Trish, Philomena, John or indeed Gerry's mother, wouldn't they have been better placed to give evidence of the devastating effect Amaral's book has allegedly had on the McCanns, individually and as a family ?
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So far we have been told that Michael Wright, Kate's cousin and David Edgar, their last PI will be called as witnesses. What exactly these witnesses can tell us about the night of the 3rd or the damage allegedly done to the search for Madeleine remains unclear. Surely the McCann's close friends the Paynes, or indeed any of their friends who were present, would be able to give more insight into the events of that night and what about Trish, Philomena, John or indeed Gerry's mother, wouldn't they have been better placed to give evidence of the devastating effect Amaral's book has allegedly had on the McCanns, individually and as a family ?
Is Michael W a cousin on the Healy side ?
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Is Michael W a cousin on the Healy side ?
He's married to Kate's cousin.
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First in the witness box this morning is Emma Loach, daughter of film director Ken Loach. Other witnesses will be Susan Hubbard, wife of the Church of England priest who befriended the family after the disappearance and Kates mother Susan Healey.
It is the intention of camp McCann to provide evidence to the court of the impact Amaral's claim that Madeleine died in apartment 5a had on them.
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First in the witness box this morning is Emma Loach, daughter of film director Ken Loach. Other witnesses will be Susan Hubbard, wife of the Church of England priest who befriended the family after the disappearance and Kates mother Susan Healey.
It is the intention of camp McCann to provide evidence to the court of the impact Amaral's claim that Madeleine died in apartment 5a had on them.
Good. They all can testify how happy Kate and Gerald were to attend Media sessions and to be finally the center of attention of a world of people.
In fact Mrs McCann put on weight during the first months after the child disappeared, she became more self conscious about her image, caring for herself about clothes, make up, hairdresser...she really looked rejuvenated. And that kept on for the following years.
Now she looks like crap, indeed, but that has nothing to do with a book that was published more than 5 years ago.
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First in the witness box this morning is Emma Loach, daughter of film director Ken Loach. Other witnesses will be Susan Hubbard, wife of the Church of England priest who befriended the family after the disappearance and Kates mother Susan Healey.
It is the intention of camp McCann to provide evidence to the court of the impact Amaral's claim that Madeleine died in apartment 5a had on them.
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So the con begins..............................................
Now since these people didn't believe it, how did it effect the search or the belief she was still alive ?
Meanwhile why aren't they using Deadwood, sorry Redwood as a witness ?
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So the con begins.
Stephen25000 is writing a post ...
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So the con begins.
Stephen25000 is writing a post ...
Well ferryman, ferryman.
So wrapped up in fairyland.............................
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Why is it that Kate Mccann is not giving evidence but using a heap of others to tell the court how Mr Amaral was responsible for x y z? is it because she isnt called as a witness??
Follow martin brunt for tweets, if hearing is in private they are at least it seems allowing tweets from court? Not sure, otherwise those involved are briefing media
#madeleine Kate McCann declines to comment on arrival. Lawyer for Mr Amaral asking judge to ban media "to preserve the memory of Madeleine."
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#madeleine Kate McCann arrives for libel trial in Lisbon with mum Susan Healy and filmmaker Emma Loach. pic.twitter.com/AgdkrXeP5Z
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#madeleine McCann lawyer Isabel Duarte tells Sky News she believes ex-cop Goncalo Amaral is hiding the profits from his book.
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#madeleine Other McCann witnesses will include their private investigator Dave Edgar, solicitor Angus McBride and Kate's mum Susan Healy.
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#madeleine McCann first witness at libel trial will be documentary maker Emma Loach, daughter of film director Ken Loach.
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It's funny to see the so-called GA supporters on twitter and facebook in a frenzy today. If he wins they'll claim they helped, when in reality they have undermined him for years by constant discussion of theories rejected by the Portuguese police. Not all of them, but most.
It's not funny really.
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Oh dear, even Brunty still getting Susan Hubbard mixed up with Susan Healy...sky footage of their arrival at court with Emma Loach being shown and S Hubbard being referred to as Kates Mum!!
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Look at them on twitter Red (I daren't look on facebook), they're undermining him as we speak - they're not discussing the legalities of the trial, they (i.e. the most vocal people claiming to be supporters of GA) are discussing Madeleine being dead.
Fools most of them.
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The trial has yet to begin.
All due to discussion whether the trial will be held in private.
Just seen Duarte on the box..........................
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What would be the conditions for a civil libel case to be held in camera in Portugal?
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Look at them on twitter Red (I daren't look on facebook), they're undermining him as we speak - they're not discussing the legalities of the trial, they (i.e. the most vocal people claiming to be supporters of GA) are discussing Madeleine being dead.
Fools most of them.
Oh I see now, thanks! Somehow though I doubt the judge will be checking out the hashtags
Just been reading the comments on the story on yahoo news, over 800 mostly negative, one person said, a million quid reward for leaving the kids alone, couldnt make it up really! Not that it will happen in a month of sundays
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#madeleine Loach: TV documentary later made things worse because more than 2 million people watched it.
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#madeleine Loach: book was published 3 days after Port police closed case saying no evidence of McCann involvement and "destroyed all that."
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#madeleine Loach: "Kate realised the people she needed help from now thought Madeleine was dead and they were implicated."
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#madeleine Documentary producer Emma Loach, friend of MCcanns, said Amaral's book and TV prog based on it had "devastating" effect on them.
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#madeleine Hubbard: actors who played Kate and Gerry in Portuguese documentary portrayed them after M vanished as "crazy, heavy drinkers"
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#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said TV documentary after the book made things worse, because viewers then bought more books.
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#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said McCanns could not believe Mr Amaral was allowed to write his book "without any facts."
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#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said McCanns devastated because book made everyone believe Madeleine was dead.
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#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said McCanns had to use all their energy to defend themselves instead of searching for Madeleine.
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#madeleine Susan Hubbard says McCanns devastated by Amaral book which said Madeleine died accidentally and they had been negligent.
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#madeleine Mr Amaral loses bid to have media excluded and libel trial under way. First witness is Susan Hubbard, friend and priest's wife
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I find it very interesting that the Roman Catholic village priest from Praia da Luz has been sidelined in preference to the Church of England clerics wife Susan Hubbard. They will be converting next.
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I am surprised that Kate's good friend Fiona Payne is not there to speak about the devasting effect Amaral's book had on the McCanns
I mean she was involved from the very start, and given that she lives in Rothley it is fair to assume that she and Kate have stayed in close contact. That being the case, she would have witnessed the McCann's distress first-hand ( indeed, she was shipped in to support Kate at a previous court hearing, when Gerry unexpectedly left to go home )
Instead, though, we have Mrs Hubbard as a witness to the distress the book's publication caused the McCanns ... even though she was living in Canada at the time, and did not observe it herself
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I am surprised that Kate's good friend Fiona Payne is not there to speak about the devasting effect Amaral's book had on the McCanns
I mean she was involved from the very start, and given that she lives in Rothley it is fair to assume that she and Kate have stayed in close contact. That being the case, she would have witnessed the McCann's distress first-hand ( indeed, she was shipped in to support Kate at a previous court hearing, when Gerry unexpectedly left to go home )
Instead, though, we have Mrs Hubbard as a witness to the distress the book's publication caused the McCanns ... even though she was living in Canada at the time, and did not observe it herself
Whose judgment to trust: Icabod's or Isabel Duarte's?
Tough one ...
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I am surprised that Kate's good friend Fiona Payne is not there to speak about the devasting effect Amaral's book had on the McCanns
I mean she was involved from the very start, and given that she lives in Rothley it is fair to assume that she and Kate have stayed in close contact. That being the case, she would have witnessed the McCann's distress first-hand ( indeed, she was shipped in to support Kate at a previous court hearing, when Gerry unexpectedly left to go home )
Instead, though, we have Mrs Hubbard as a witness to the distress the book's publication caused the McCanns ... even though she was living in Canada at the time, and did not observe it herself
Or her personal gp/psychiatrist who treated her when, according to the libel writ, issued spring 2009 IS steeped in a deep and serious depression? or Gerrys if he made a visit to discuss living in a permanent state of anxiety and fear and loss of appetite....if that was true they sure had a great way of hiding it on camera right from Sept 08, example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P-z5HJxr0o&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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#madeleine Loach: TV bosses wouldn't let me use use the word "abduction" in my documentary because McCanns were still suspects.
So? Whats that to do with Amarals book? her first documentary was in April 2008
She certainly made up for it in her second in May 2009 when the female narrator (was it her?) said Jane Tanner may not have been the only one to see Madeleine being carried away by the abductor!....as IF any part of that statement was a fact of any kind
Tut, artistic licences
And from a series calling itself cutting edge, fact finding documentaries, more like fuzzy edge!
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Narrator was Gina McKee I think. Oh Gina 8(8-))
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So far, McCann witnesses have attested to the 'distress' caused to the McCanns by Amaral's book
I'm sure that is true ... of course the book will have distressed them
Distressing isn't the same as libelous though is it ? ( the truth can be distressing too, afterall )
What witnesses do they have who will give evidence that proves what Amaral wrote is untrue ?
( anyone know is on their list of witnesses ? )
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Thanks Lyall
Icab, these ones reported, though not sure if there are any others
Emma Loach, tv producer of two Mccann documentaries
Susan Hubbard, priests wife, befriended the Mccanns in PDL
Angus McBride, high flying(extradition or libel?) lawyer,not sure if was ever used
Dave Edgar, ex RUC police, Mccanns PI from Nov 08
Susan Healy, Kates mother
Michael Wright,husband of Kates cousin who was in PDL on and off through the spring/summer
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So far, McCann witnesses have attested to the 'distress' caused to the McCanns by Amaral's book
I'm sure that is true ... of course the book will have distressed them
Distressing isn't the same as libelous though is it ? ( the truth can be distressing too, afterall )
What witnesses do they have who will give evidence that proves what Amaral wrote is untrue ?
( anyone know is on their list of witnesses ? )
Or witnesses that can provide statistical evidence that the book really did hamper the search ? Surely just stating in their opinion it has is not enough ?
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Whose judgment to trust: Icabod's or Isabel Duarte's?
Tough one ...
Duarte, not in a million years. 8((()*/
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So far, McCann witnesses have attested to the 'distress' caused to the McCanns by Amaral's book
I'm sure that is true ... of course the book will have distressed them
Distressing isn't the same as libelous though is it ? ( the truth can be distressing too, afterall )
What witnesses do they have who will give evidence that proves what Amaral wrote is untrue ?
( anyone know is on their list of witnesses ? )
perhaps you haven't seen my posts. What level of proof do they have to show...criminal..civil...or absolute
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or perhaps you have seen my posts and don't know the answer
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Panic stations....
Dont be so peurile...an attempt to discuss points might be more effective
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or perhaps you have seen my posts and don't know the answer
I don't understand what your post means
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So far, McCann witnesses have attested to the 'distress' caused to the McCanns by Amaral's book
I'm sure that is true ... of course the book will have distressed them
Distressing isn't the same as libelous though is it ? ( the truth can be distressing too, afterall )
What witnesses do they have who will give evidence that proves what Amaral wrote is untrue ?
( anyone know is on their list of witnesses ? )
Im sorry to say that your lack of response shows you haven't a clue what you are talking about..
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Good. They all can testify how happy Kate and Gerald were to attend Media sessions and to be finally the center of attention of a world of people.
In fact Mrs McCann put on weight during the first months after the child disappeared, she became more self conscious about her image, caring for herself about clothes, make up, hairdresser...she really looked rejuvenated. And that kept on for the following years.
Now she looks like crap, indeed, but that has nothing to do with a book that was published more than 5 years ago.
Jesus! You are vile!
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Im sorry to say that your lack of response shows you haven't a clue what you are talking about..
I have replied davel ( see above )
I simply don't understand what you are asking ... could you put it into sentences rather than just disjointed words ?
thanks
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#madeleine Kate McCann about to make statement at end of first day of Lisbon libel action against ex-cop and TV documentary makers.
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#madeleine Loach: McCanns have to monitor Internet use of twins Seam and Amelie to stop them finding out about book and Port TV documentary.
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Their eight yr olds are let loose on the internet?
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No surprises so far. As the Bureau said a while ago [Not like the Good Old Days, February 2012, McCann files] the list of witnesses for the McCanns indicates that Duarte is concentrating on putting forward an emotion-based, rather than fact-based, case. And proceedings today followed that forecast as if we’d written the script for them eighteen months ago.
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Whether it will be successful I have no idea: waves of emotion, rather than truth, have carried the couple along so far, just like that other well-capitalised and successful manufactured product of Messrs Kennedy, Smethurst and others, double-glazing. Both products have been subject to similar reservations over the years – that they are plastic, see-through, heavily oversold to the proletariat and won’t last long but they also share the valuable quality that dirt, and particularly Grime, don’t stick to them at all.
The risk, of course, is that the defence won’t waste time trying to convince the court that the photos and endless celebrity interviews of the couple show a severe shortage of the dreadful suffering that the writ alleges Amaral caused them, but will concentrate on the evidence that other police officer accumulated and the reasonable inferences that could, and should, have been drawn by Amaral or any other co-ordinator. I doubt if people like Mother Hubbard will be much use in refuting such points.
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Exactly!
http://aninspectorcallsyou.blogspot.co.uk/
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I don't understand what your post means
you say the McCanns have to prove amaral wrong
I ask you what level of proof they have to provide
Do you understand there are different degrees... levels of proof
I ask...what level of proof do the McCanns have to provide
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No surprises so far. As the Bureau said a while ago [Not like the Good Old Days, February 2012, McCann files] the list of witnesses for the McCanns indicates that Duarte is concentrating on putting forward an emotion-based, rather than fact-based, case. And proceedings today followed that forecast as if we’d written the script for them eighteen months ago.
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Whether it will be successful I have no idea: waves of emotion, rather than truth, have carried the couple along so far, just like that other well-capitalised and successful manufactured product of Messrs Kennedy, Smethurst and others, double-glazing. Both products have been subject to similar reservations over the years – that they are plastic, see-through, heavily oversold to the proletariat and won’t last long but they also share the valuable quality that dirt, and particularly Grime, don’t stick to them at all.
The risk, of course, is that the defence won’t waste time trying to convince the court that the photos and endless celebrity interviews of the couple show a severe shortage of the dreadful suffering that the writ alleges Amaral caused them, but will concentrate on the evidence that other police officer accumulated and the reasonable inferences that could, and should, have been drawn by Amaral or any other co-ordinator. I doubt if people like Mother Hubbard will be much use in refuting such points.
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Exactly!
http://aninspectorcallsyou.blogspot.co.uk/
Well hes going to struggle their seeing as the final report says there is no evidence against the McCanns
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Well hes going to struggle their seeing as the final report says there is no evidence against the McCanns
Simplistic assumption dear davel, dont forget the appellant court ruling!!! Told you a couple days ago libel trial is based on the book, book has been given all clear by higher court, so....no leg to stand on IMHO of course,catch you later on
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Simplistic assumption dear davel, dont forget the appellant court ruling!!! Told you a couple days ago libel trial is based on the book, book has been given all clear by higher court, so....no leg to stand on IMHO of course,catch you later on
The hearing was exparte..its a whole new ball game now imo
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you say the McCanns have to prove amaral wrong
I ask you what level of proof they have to provide
Do you understand there are different degrees... levels of proof
I ask...what level of proof do the McCanns have to provide
I don't know what you mean by 'levels of proof'
To put it quite simply
Amaral believes that Madeleine died in the apartment and that her parents staged an abduction to cover up the death
He has written a book saying the same
The McCanns say that it is not true that Madeleine died in the apartment and that they staged an abduction to cover up the death
They say that because what Amaral claims is untrue he has libeled them
In order to 'prove' that what Amaral says is untrue ( and therefore libelous ) they need to prove that Madeleine did NOT die in the apartment, and to prove that they did NOT stage an abduction
What witnesses/evidence can they produce to prove that ?
I'm thinking perhaps that is why Dave Edgar is there ... to present his theory that Madeleine is still alive and his reasoning behind it ... what do you think ? )
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Well hes going to struggle their seeing as the final report says there is no evidence against the McCanns
Yes but it also indicates no evidence for their claim about what happened to Madeleine either. G McCann says this himself in the first of Loach's films. "No hard facts to go on other than what we knew on the night really".
I don't envy the Lisbon judges. Tough job.
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I don't know what you mean by 'levels of proof'
To put it quite simply
Amaral believes that Madeleine died in the apartment and that her parents staged an abduction to cover up the death
He has written a book saying the same
The McCanns say that it is not true that Madeleine died in the apartment and that they staged an abduction to cover up the death
They say that because what Amaral claims is untrue he has libeled them
In order to 'prove' that what Amaral says is untrue ( and therefore libelous ) they need to prove that Madeleine did NOT die in the apartment, and to prove that they did NOT stage an abduction
What witnesses/evidence can they produce to prove that ?
I'm thinking perhaps that is why Dave Edgar is there ... to present his theory that Madeleine is still alive and his reasoning behind it ... what do you think ? )
I don't know what you mean by 'levels of proof'....levels of proof is a basic concept in law...perhaps you should try google.
Without defing what level of proof the Mccanns the need to demonstrate you ask a question that is vague and impossible to answer
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Yes but it also indicates no evidence for their claim about what happened to Madeleine either. G McCann says this himself in the first of Loach's films. "No hard facts to go on other than what we knew on the night really".
I don't envy the Lisbon judges. Tough job.
it is Blacksmith who talks of evidence when you admit there is none. That's why I think blacksmith is an idiot
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Definition from Nolo’s Plain-English Law Dictionary
The burden of proof placed on a party in certain types of civil cases, such as cases involving fraud. Clear and convincing is a higher standard than "preponderance of the evidence," the standard typical in most civil cases, but not as high as "beyond a reasonable doubt," the burden placed on the prosecution in criminal cases.
Some examples of different levels of evidence.
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it is Blacksmith who talks of evidence when you admit there is none. That's why I think blacksmith is an idiot
You think wrong.
There is evidence about many things.
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it is Blacksmith who talks of evidence when you admit there is none. That's why I think blacksmith is an idiot
Depends on what issue you mean. I think he's always said there isn't conclusive evidence indicating Madeleine's fate (in fact pretty recently at one point he said McCann critics had "none" proving their guilt).
But the issue of their honesty is another thing entirely.
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Definition from Nolo’s Plain-English Law Dictionary
The burden of proof placed on a party in certain types of civil cases, such as cases involving fraud. Clear and convincing is a higher standard than "preponderance of the evidence," the standard typical in most civil cases, but not as high as "beyond a reasonable doubt," the burden placed on the prosecution in criminal cases.
Some examples of different levels of evidence.
Thanks davel, that is interesting and informative
I've just looked up 'preponderance of evidence' which, as you say, is more appropriately applied to a civil case ( and therefore most likely in this case )
Preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and it's probable truth or accuracy ... Thus, one clearly knowledgeable witness may provide a preponderance of evidence rather than a dozen witnesses with hazy testimony
Do you think the Judge will make a decision based on which theory is more convincingly evidenced ( the McCann's or Amaral's ) ?
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Depends on what issue you mean. I think he's always said there isn't conclusive evidence indicating Madeleine's fate (in fact pretty recently at one point he said McCann critics had "none" proving their guilt).
But the issue of their honesty is another thing entirely.
Well there is no question re amarals honesty...the lack of it haw been proved in court
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Well there is no question re amarals honesty...the lack of it haw been proved in court
That depends
And the mccanns have been proven to be dishonest multitude of times, though not in a court, just proven by their own words...
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The hearing was exparte..its a whole new ball game now imo
Same ball same game
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it is Blacksmith who talks of evidence when you admit there is none. That's why I think blacksmith is an idiot
So you thnk blacksmith is an idiot
You also think the portuguese public prosecutors were idiots
Anyone else in your list?
No doubt the supreme court judges,that tossed the mccanns attempt to ban a book, mr grime, etc etc
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So you thnk blacksmith is an idiot
You also think the portuguese public prosecutors were idiots
Anyone else in your list?
No doubt the supreme court judges,that tossed the mccanns attempt to ban a book, mr grime, etc etc
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supreme court judges ...no...the book hadn't been proved to be libellous so no grounds to ban it.
Mr Grime...no....he said the dogs alerts had no evidential value
Everyone forgets when blacksmith gets it wrong..in feb he said the mccanns would settle on amarals terms...he was wrong. in my opinion he is a wanabee who never made it in the real world but is able to fool a small band of gullible fools on the net
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supreme court judges ...no...the book hadn't been proved to be libellous so no grounds to ban it.
Mr Grime...no....he said the dogs alerts had no evidential value
Everyone forgets when blacksmith gets it wrong..in feb he said the mccanns would settle on amarals terms...he was wrong. in my opinion he is a wanabee who never made it in the real world but is able to fool a small band of gullible fools on the net
Yada yada
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Thanks davel, that is interesting and informative
I've just looked up 'preponderance of evidence' which, as you say, is more appropriately applied to a civil case ( and therefore most likely in this case )
Preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and it's probable truth or accuracy ... Thus, one clearly knowledgeable witness may provide a preponderance of evidence rather than a dozen witnesses with hazy testimony
Do you think the Judge will make a decision based on which theory is more convincingly evidenced ( the McCann's or Amaral's ) ?
Sorry for not answering sooner...if the level of proof required is low, then the McCanns win, if its high then its Amaral
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The truth hurts.
Unfortunately for the McCann (unless they are privileged for being foreigners), they will never get the money they are seeking.
In 2011, a former Minister that had been in prison accused of paedophilia and later released for lack of evidence, sued the Portuguese State for 100 thousand Euros. He didn't get a cent although he was imprisoned for about four months.
[urlhttp://www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Policia/Interior.aspx?content_id=1815426][/url]
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The atmosphere was rather cool in the court room today. Mrs Duarte was exceptionally calm and pondered. She not once said "abduction" and speaking about the effect of the book on the McCanns always added "if any".
The interpreter is British (living in Lx) and told me she had been contacted by the tribunal a few days ago.
Generally speaking nobody knows much about the files and some journalists just know what they've read in their newspapers.
Some posters here know much better. Many mistakes were said without anyone protesting.
About 3/4 of an hour were lost because Ms Loach couldn't remember when her documentary had been broadcast in PT and the TVI lawyer had another title !
All the sessions are taped.
I'll be there to-morrow. Too tired to send my notes to-night.
But I sent John some pics.
Thank you for your report Anne. I'm sure everyone on this forum appreciates your efforts.
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Most definitely. Am looking forward to reading your notes about the hearing Anne. Thanks again for a marvellous effort.
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The atmosphere was rather cool in the court room today. Mrs Duarte was exceptionally calm and pondered. She not once said "abduction" and speaking about the effect of the book on the McCanns always added "if any".
The interpreter is British (living in Lx) and told me she had been contacted by the tribunal a few days ago.
Generally speaking nobody knows much about the files and some journalists just know what they've read in their newspapers.
Some posters here know much better. Many mistakes were said without anyone protesting.
About 3/4 of an hour were lost because Ms Loach couldn't remember when her documentary had been broadcast in PT and the TVI lawyer had another title !
All the sessions are taped.
I'll be there to-morrow. Too tired to send my notes to-night.
But I sent John some pics.
How kind of you to go to the trouble of bringing us first-hand information
Thank you Anne
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I add my thanks.
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Thanks Lyall
Icab, these ones reported, though not sure if there are any others
Emma Loach, tv producer of two Mccann documentaries
Susan Hubbard, priests wife, befriended the Mccanns in PDL
Angus McBride, high flying(extradition or libel?) lawyer,not sure if was ever used
Dave Edgar, ex RUC police, Mccanns PI from Nov 08
Susan Healy, Kates mother
Michael Wright,husband of Kates cousin who was in PDL on and off through the spring/summer
One more to add
A child psychologist,name unknown
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These people are unbelievable in their arrogance and stupidity.
Oh the irony!
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I wonder why Sky are not tweeting anything today
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I wonder why Sky are not tweeting anything today
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We hope to have news from Portugal very soon Redblossom.
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I wonder why Sky are not tweeting anything today
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Is Brunty still there? He may have left to cover another story (Leicester fire maybe).
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The atmosphere was rather cool in the court room today. Mrs Duarte was exceptionally calm and pondered. She not once said "abduction" and speaking about the effect of the book on the McCanns always added "if any".
The interpreter is British (living in Lx) and told me she had been contacted by the tribunal a few days ago.
Generally speaking nobody knows much about the files and some journalists just know what they've read in their newspapers.
Some posters here know much better. Many mistakes were said without anyone protesting.
About 3/4 of an hour were lost because Ms Loach couldn't remember when her documentary had been broadcast in PT and the TVI lawyer had another title !
All the sessions are taped.
I'll be there to-morrow. Too tired to send my notes to-night.
But I sent John some pics.
So with the delay caused due to Mr Amaral requesting the hearing be held in Camera court quite a shorter day than anticipated then ?
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One more to add
A child psychologist,name unknown
Is it David Trickey ?
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We hope to have news from Portugal very soon Redblossom.
Thanks John
Caught a video on youtube showing Kates Mum and her sis in law Pat Cameron arriving in ciurt tiday, posted it up on the video library
@Lyall, I doubt Brunty would fly back to the Uk to report on a domestic house fire
@ Faithlilly, I dont know, maybe, Ive googled his pic and it looks like one of the men photographed by Anne yesterday leaving the building
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So with the delay caused due to Mr Amaral requesting the hearing be held in Camera court quite a shorter day than anticipated then ?
Yes some delay was caused yesterday by the study of Mr Amaral's request, but this request had a motive. Apart from the f... episode, remember what the tabloids wrote on him.. And think that most of the UK media present in Lisbon are tabloids. After the announcement the judge couldn't come back, the Sunday Express guy told me he was worried not to have much for his paper. I said "but the questions raised by the psychologist are interesting" and he replied "but I work for a Sunday paper, I need something spicy". I thought I would prefer to clean the streets than doing that job.
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Is it David Trickey ?
Yes. Though he was called as a specialist of trauma in kids, in fact he saw the twins once, he had 2 meetings with the McCanns about the future of the twins.
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Duarte is concentrating on putting forward an emotion-based, rather than fact-based, case.
Yes, though he presented himself as a specialist of criminal defence and management of the media, Mr McBride, this morning, wasn't able to give even vague numbers when asked by GA's lawyer (Victor Santos de Oliveira) to compare the media effects of the disappearance, the arguido status and the book.
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Yes, though he presented himself as a specialist of criminal defence and management of the media, Mr McBride, this morning, wasn't able to give even vague numbers when asked by GA's lawyer (Victor Santos de Oliveira) to compare the media effects of the disappearance, the arguido status and the book.
Interesting, Anne
Such an obvious question
But an almost unanswerable one at that
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Interesting, Anne
Such an obvious question
But an almost unanswerable one at that
Do you get the impression they are sailing uphill Anne? >@@(*&)
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Yes, though he presented himself as a specialist of criminal defence and management of the media, Mr McBride, this morning, wasn't able to give even vague numbers when asked by GA's lawyer (Victor Santos de Oliveira) to compare the media effects of the disappearance, the arguido status and the book.
That's interesting Anne
Was Amaral's lawyer pointing out that it was the McCanns becoming arguido that lead to the change in public opinion, rather than Amaral's book, do you think ?
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I'll take that as a 'No' 8)-))) No scientists on the list.
why would the McCanns want a scientist on the list
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What I seem to know (the judge was speaking to the clerk) is that João Melchior Gomes (the public prosecutor who signed the AG report) and Alipio Ribeiro (the national director of the PJ who kicked out GA) are on GA's witness list.
Careful ! I heard it, but could have heard erroneously. I'll confirm this next week.
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I don't know. What I seem to know (the judge was speaking to the clerk) is that João Melchior Gomes (the public prosecutor who signed the AG report) and Alipio Ribeiro (the national director of the PJ who kicked out GA) are on GA's witness list.
Good 8((()*/