The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary

[Myster]

Did you see them chuckling with glee at their recent "discovery", like a couple of kids who found a stash of porn mags under their parents' bed and weren't going to show them to their mates!  The three burn marks are irrelevant... it was four bullets fired by Jeremy Bamber into his father's brain which killed him, and this "new evidence" is just another obfuscatory diversion soon to be tossed in the CCRC's waste bin. 

[Nicholas]

The CT suggesting the Mindhouse production ‘raises serious issues about the treatment of women’ holds no weight as far as I can see - these appear to be projections

They should listen back over some of their podcasts on Julie Mugford and hear how they treat her

Philip Walker in one podcast refers to Julie’s ‘imagination’ when it reality it’s his own

Here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MHz4F3WIBK8

Also Julie Mugford didn’t get £25,000

This number has been bandied about for years and I don’t recall anyone factoring in the solicitors cut

How much did Mr Church the solicitor receive from the deal he made with the NOTW?

Excerpts from Julie’s 11th April 2002 WS
’…my lawyers fees were drawn from these monies’

‘The lawyer made the deal until I was presented with the contract I had no idea who the other party was

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=288.msg4966#msg4966

[Nicholas]

Did you see them chuckling with glee at their recent "discovery", like a couple of kids who found a stash of porn mags under their parents' bed and weren't going to show them to their mates!  The three burn marks are irrelevant...

I did

Shaun Attwood is another creepy snake

And I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn Sandra Lean was somehow involved in putting them all in touch

Attwood mentioned killer Luke Mitchell at the very end of the video 🙄

[Nicholas]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T2IWwUJXZ8g

I don’t know if Brett Collins posted the comments on the above YouTube video but if he did

He states,

‘just saw the new  episode and interview  about my former friend Jeremy  Bamber its as close to the truth as was told by me  ! as i was there  before and after the murders finally some truth BRETT COLLINS NEW ZEALAND


‘you had to be there  before and after  to no what really  hapendl! looks like jeremy  had a plan all along he promised to many women  marrage when he got his money! (sic)

I agree with this and hope Kay doesn’t remove or edit her original version of the interview with Brett Collins as he made a number of interesting disclosures

For example,

At around 16:22 Brett states,

‘I think something went wrong’

What exactly did he mean by this?

Also just after this when Brett is referring to Julie he states,

‘Erm way before I ever met his girlfriend - his girlfriend and he weren’t what you’d call monogamous friendship he had several girls at the same time that all thought that they err were his girlfriend 

The above sounds like Brett Collins is referring to a time prior to the murders because he also stated he didn’t arrive back to the UK until around two days before the funeral and he said at this time it was just Bamber and Julie

I’d like to see Virginia and Anji (Angela) Greaves police witness statements as I’m of the view they both lied to police and Virginia may well have committed perjury

I suspect the Greave sisters - one or both of them - are who Brett Collins met prior to the murders when he was visiting with Bamber

Brett Collins ⬇️
‘Erm way before I ever met his girlfriend - his girlfriend and he weren’t what you’d call monogamous friendship he had several girls at the same time that all thought that they err were his girlfriend

‘you had to be there  before and after  to no what really  hapendl! looks like jeremy  had a plan all along he promised to many women  marrage when he got his money!

Brett Collins talked of Virginia and Angela Greaves ‘going to ground’ - it’s possible he was referring to the time prior to the murders

[Nicholas]

this "new evidence" is just another obfuscatory diversion soon to be tossed in the CCRC's waste bin.

Of course it is

[Nicholas]

Dee Sadler
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The amount of misogynistic abuse the female members of this campaign team receives, beggars belief. Power to them. Red heart
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Isn’t it Dee Sadler who narrates the misogynistic podcast on Julie Mugford?

The same podcast where someone ridicules Julie for having a collection of cuddly toys in her Uni dorm seemingly ignoring Anji Greaves http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11197.msg572685#msg572685 🙄

And what about the misogyny behind the false premise of Sheila having been responsible for her brothers crimes?

Why did the campaign team choose to include the comments about Julie’s alleged cuddly toys?

What was the relevance ?

The campaign team should look at their own ‘misogynistic abuse’ of people like Sheila and Julie

[Nicholas]

Did you see them chuckling with glee at their recent "discovery", like a couple of kids who found a stash of porn mags under their parents' bed and weren't going to show them to their mates! 

Apparently next week the campaign team are doing a podcast on Brett Collins and how he can’t be believed 🙄

Brett Collins who flew over to visit with Bamber in the months prior to the murders

During Brett Collins interviews he claimed Bamber was ‘happy’ he would have someone to go clubbing with 🙄

Was Bamber ‘happy’ because he’d have Brett Collins with him to meet with these alleged ‘mercenaries’ - the men Brett Collins described as being covered in tattoos 🙄

And ‘happy’ because he’d have Brett Collins staying with him - someone to thrash his murderous plans out with - his ‘‘sounding board’

I agree with this and hope Kay doesn’t remove or edit her original version of the interview with Brett Collins as he made a number of interesting disclosures

For example,

At around 16:22 Brett states,

‘I think something went wrong’

What exactly did he mean by this?

The above comment by Brett Collins is extremely telling and suggests he knows a whole lot more than he’s let on

For Brett Collins to say ‘I think something went wrong’ he must have known of Bamber’s previous plans

[Nicholas]

When did Anji (Angela) Greaves tell Bamber her godfather was apparently Sir David Napley?

And what discussions did Anji and Bamber have regarding him?

What does Angela Greaves police witness statement say regarding this and when exactly did the campaign team become aware of this?

[Nicholas]

Ignoring Kay Pages narration here (from around 17:10) https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-white-house/hes-where-he-belongs-w-brett-_n9tGAbVBwX/ Brett Collins appears to be referring to the time he visited Bamber *prior* to the murders

Brett Collins also refers to Bamber’s ‘darkest secret’ which I suspect he knows a whole lot more about - he’s given away numerous clues in the various interviews he’s given

[Nicholas]

I’d also be interested to hear from Emma Morris on the date rape of the girl from the Chequers PH

It’s possible Bamber used cocaine like this sexual predator did ⬇️

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-59013294.amp

Excerpt from Roger Wilkes book Blood Relations

The detectives seemed anxious to probe Jeremy Bamber's sexual habits and preferences.  They learned from Charles Marsden that Jeremy possessed an animal magnetism for women.  Marsden said that while he knew of only two serious girlfriends, Suzette Ford and Julie Mugford, Jeremy had had many one-night stands.  He enjoyed going to clubs, such as Stringfellows in London, pulling women.  Marsden recalled an evening before the murders when he and Jeremy had gone drinking at Jeremy's local, the Chequers at Goldhangers.  They had picked up a couple of girls, one of whom had agreed to return with them to Jeremy's cottage.  Marsden, very drunk, had crashed out in Jeremy's bed.  Some time later, he'd been awoken by movement in the bed.  Lying there half asleep, Marsden realised that Jeremy had brought the girl upstairs and that the couple were having sex. The idea of three-in-a bed sex excited the detectives' curiosity still further.  But Charles Marsden was at pains to insist that he hadn't taken part in the sex session.  And when Jeremy returned from walking the girl home, Marsden himself had got up and driven home.

It’s also possible Charles Marsden knew/knows the above wasn’t consensual sex

[Nicholas]

It’s possible Charles Marsden knew/knows the above wasn’t consensual sex

What date exactly does the following refer to ⬇️

Marsden said that he had visited Jeremy at his cottage the previous Thursday night.  Brett Collins had cooked them a chicken dinner and the three had then repaired to the Caribbean Cottage at Burnham for drinks.  Jeremy had announced that he and Julie had split up the previous weekend.  While he didn't give a specific reason, Marsden had the impression that Julie had disliked Brett Collins. In any case, Jeremy added, he now had a new girlfriend, Virginia Greaves, who used to go out with Mike Deckers of the Frog and Beans.  Jeremy also told Charles Marsden that he and Brett were going to sell Bourtree Cottage and move to Sheila's flat in Maida Vale.  Virginia would move in too, Jeremy added.

Did some of the above ⬆️ occur prior to Bamber committing mass murder?

And how did Charles Marsden feel about Brett Collins?

Did Charles Marsden meet with Brett Collins when he first visited Bamber prior to the murders?

[Nicholas]

Ignoring Kay Pages narration here (from around 17:10) https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-white-house/hes-where-he-belongs-w-brett-_n9tGAbVBwX/ Brett Collins appears to be referring to the time he visited Bamber *prior* to the murders

Brett Collins also refers to Bamber’s ‘darkest secret’ which I suspect he knows a whole lot more about - he’s given away numerous clues in the various interviews he’s given

What reason did Brett Collins give for not staying in the UK until Christmas http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12244.msg667541#msg667541 ?

[Nicholas]

Did you see them chuckling with glee at their recent "discovery", like a couple of kids who found a stash of porn mags under their parents' bed and weren't going to show them to their mates!  The three burn marks are irrelevant... it was four bullets fired by Jeremy Bamber into his father's brain which killed him, and this "new evidence" is just another obfuscatory diversion soon to be tossed in the CCRC's waste bin.

Philip Walker and Yvonne Hartley keep ignoring Anji and Virginia Greaves involvement in all this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MHz4F3WIBK8

Why?

They mention Liz Rimmimgton having slept with Bamber yet nothing about the night of the incident involving the girl from the Chequers public house

and nothing about Anji or Virginia apparently both sleeping with Bamber around the same time ?

[Nicholas]

This from Brett Collins stands out

‘Erm way before I ever met his girlfriend - his girlfriend and he weren’t what you’d call monogamous friendship he had several girls at the same time that all thought that they err were his girlfriend 

Who were these ‘several girls’ Brett Collins referred to and did this include Anji Greaves?

When did Anji Greaves husband learn of his wife’s involvement with Bamber and did Essex police ever interview him?

According to Kay Page - Angela Greaves married in July 1985 a month before Bamber murdered his family

If she was in a relationship with Bamber and not her sister Virginia - why did the two sisters lie?

What was their motivation to lie during a mass murder investigation?

[Nicholas]

This from Brett Collins stands out

‘Erm way before I ever met his girlfriend - his girlfriend and he weren’t what you’d call monogamous friendship he had several girls at the same time that all thought that they err were his girlfriend 

Who were these ‘several girls’ Brett Collins referred to and did this include Anji Greaves?

When did Anji Greaves husband learn of his wife’s involvement with Bamber and did Essex police ever interview him?

According to Kay Page - Angela Greaves married in July 1985 a month before Bamber murdered his family

If she was in a relationship with Bamber and not her sister Virginia - why did the two sisters lie?

What was their motivation to lie during a mass murder investigation?

According to Brett Collins evidence he apparently first arrived in the UK to visit Bamber the ‘2nd or 3rd week of June’ 1985

It’s possible he met with one or both of the Greaves sisters when he first visited Bamber in June 1985 - a month before Anji Greaves apparently got married