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Offline kizzy

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #285 on: June 04, 2020, 04:18:39 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 04:00:15 PM
"Scapegoat" appears to be the word of the moment.  On what basis have you, the judge and jury, decided that this violent rapist and paedophile is the victim in this case?
Are you saying you're not really interested in what happened?

Did I say victim ....no

Did I say I wasn't interested..... no
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Offline Carana

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #286 on: June 04, 2020, 04:23:25 PM »
Was this guy eliminated or not from Amaral's investigation?

If so, on what grounds?
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Offline jassi

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #287 on: June 04, 2020, 04:35:16 PM »
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 04:23:25 PM
Was this guy eliminated or not from Amaral's investigation?

If so, on what grounds?

Amaral was only involved for a few months. Did he come to any conclusion over this guy, or was it maybe unfinished business for him ?
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Carana

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #288 on: June 04, 2020, 04:54:37 PM »
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2020, 04:35:16 PM
Amaral was only involved for a few months. Did he come to any conclusion over this guy, or was it maybe unfinished business for him ?

If he had thoroughly investigated this guy, I can't find anything in the files, aside from Misty's potential find, undated, and the original of that was in Spanish, apparently from M3.

If it was unfinished business, perhaps he could have been less categorical about his "conclusion"?
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Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #289 on: June 04, 2020, 04:58:49 PM »
Quote from: Davel on June 04, 2020, 04:12:59 PM
you are so misguided. i'm interested to find out what really happened and that's why I want to see the evidence.
Over in sceptic lal la land...jill havern has actually suggested the trial of the german could be  a ploy to get the McCanns in the witness box to cross examine them and check out their story...the voice of a leading sceptic

Well b....r me sideways, the name Jill Havern rings a vague bell...
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #290 on: June 04, 2020, 04:59:54 PM »
Quote from: kizzy on June 04, 2020, 04:18:39 PM
Did I say victim ....no

Did I say I wasn't interested..... no
If you’re claiming he’s a scapegoat then clearly you believe he is in the process of becoming a victim of a miscarriage of justice, no?
« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 05:38:08 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #291 on: June 04, 2020, 05:00:18 PM »
Quote from: Jean-Pierre on June 04, 2020, 04:58:49 PM
Well b....r me sideways, the name Jill Havern rings a vague bell...
Ey up.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #292 on: June 04, 2020, 05:02:51 PM »
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2020, 04:35:16 PM
Amaral was only involved for a few months. Did he come to any conclusion over this guy, or was it maybe unfinished business for him ?

The significance of the fact that this guy was a one man crime wave in Portugal for many years apparently with impunity calls into question just exactly the senior officers of the Judicial Police were doing while he was on the rampage.

The same senior officers who had plenty to say over the period of time they were in charge of Madeleine's case and couldn't restrain themselves from trying to put Madeleine's parents in the frame from then to the present day.
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Offline Carana

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #293 on: June 04, 2020, 05:27:34 PM »
I'm still intrigued by Amaral apparently claiming that this guy would be the "scapegoat".

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-german-paedophile-took-maddie-uk-police-amaral-claim-podcast/cc225ca6-7123-4182-985c-89888224bd09

Did he investigate him at the time or not?
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Offline jassi

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #294 on: June 04, 2020, 05:33:26 PM »
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 05:27:34 PM
I'm still intrigued by Amaral apparently claiming that this guy would be the "scapegoat".

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-german-paedophile-took-maddie-uk-police-amaral-claim-podcast/cc225ca6-7123-4182-985c-89888224bd09

Did he investigate him at the time or not?

No idea. All I've seen is that he was eliminated by PJ at some point
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I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #295 on: June 04, 2020, 05:56:28 PM »
Quote from: jassi on June 04, 2020, 05:33:26 PM
No idea. All I've seen is that he was eliminated by PJ at some point

I certainly haven't seen anything in the files to that effect. The only caveat being that something may be lurking in the non-accessible paedo ones, but I can't think of even an oblique reference to someone of his profile having been excluded.



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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #296 on: June 04, 2020, 06:28:58 PM »
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 05:27:34 PM
I'm still intrigued by Amaral apparently claiming that this guy would be the "scapegoat".

https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-german-paedophile-took-maddie-uk-police-amaral-claim-podcast/cc225ca6-7123-4182-985c-89888224bd09

Did he investigate him at the time or not?
Why was this “scapegoat” never picked up by the PT cops for a brutal torture and rape of a woman in PdL?
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Offline Carana

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #297 on: June 04, 2020, 07:15:20 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 04, 2020, 06:28:58 PM
Why was this “scapegoat” never picked up by the PT cops for a brutal torture and rape of a woman in PdL?

Back then, there were laws against crime reporting until someone had been charged or was facing trial.

Not sure where exactly she lived - might have been under the Faro jurisdiction?

There was no mention of the assaults on children at the time, either.

There is also that strange story about an Australian woman who lived alone and died of a head wound...

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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #298 on: June 04, 2020, 07:22:44 PM »
Quote from: Carana on June 04, 2020, 07:15:20 PM
Back then, there were laws against crime reporting until someone had been charged or was facing trial.

Not sure where exactly she lived - might have been under the Faro jurisdiction?

There was no mention of the assaults on children at the time, either.

There is also that strange story about an Australian woman who lived alone and died of a head wound...
I find this all really quite shocking.  There’s a violent rapist at large and the public are not allowed to know about it?  Craziness.
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Offline Carana

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #299 on: June 04, 2020, 07:42:19 PM »
Yep, judicial secrecy laws at the time. IMO, more juicy than judicious for tabloids.
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