Goncalo Amaral.

[Brietta]

Jim Gamble? A PI for the McCanns? Really? I never knew that.

Jim Gamble, who acted as the senior child protection officer during the UK's initial McCann probe, argues that Portuguese cops did not initially examine the phone data.

He told Daily Star Online:
“The information about what telephone was there at a particular time in connection with another number… was captured, but it had never been properly interrogated.

"So that data hadn't been analysed. They hadn't looked for those things you would expect to see – telephone calls taking place immediately before or immediately after and in close proximity."

In 2010, Gamble published a report into the case – commissioned by then Home Secretary Alan Johnson – which led the Metropolitan Police to re-open their investigation due to failings from Portuguese detectives.

In it, he recommended the “cell dump” – a vast backlog of phone data collected from towers – be examined again.

He added: “I think the Portuguese investigation at the beginning was bungled…it very quickly fell under such a high level of scrutiny and political kind of pressure…they didn't kind of consider all of the hypotheses in the order that they should at the time that they should.

“They lost the golden hour, they lost the early hours in the investigation.

Mr Gamble continued: “Much of the information that was held by the Portuguese…was in boxes.

“And that type of approach makes it very difficult to systematically consider the information that you have and to identify lines of inquiry and to follow those lines of inquiry up. And that was part of that problem.”

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-missed-call-22295432


It seems that from very early on in Amaral's investigation (he tells us in his book right from the morning of the fourth) his obsession with Madeleine's parents caused him to ignore very obvious investigative strategies.

Scotland Yard used it appropriately in 2013 and discovered phone calls made by burglars at the requisite time and in the requisite area requiring investigation.

If the German assessment is correct it seems they were on the right track contrary to sceptic derision.  It is certainly a track which didn't really have to wait until 2013 or 2017;  the information was available to Portuguese investigators in 2007 ~ they just didn't check it.

After Amaral was sacked one of the first tasks his replacement Rebelo had to address was digitising the information lying around in boxes;  the Amaral investigation just wasn't fit for purpose but he was so proud of it ... he wrote a book!

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Sutton of course sees it totally differently (incidententally this quote contradicts what DaveL claimed about SY / OG questioning the parents.......

https://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2017/05/mark-saunokonoko-uk-police-guilty-of.html

"Sutton also hit out at Scotland Yard claims that the McCanns, who have always denied any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine, had been cleared by Portugal's police force, the Policia Judiciaria (PJ).

Portuguese authorities shelved the investigation in 2008, 14 months after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, and in doing so lifted arguidos (formal suspect) status from the McCanns.

"The PJ have never cleared anyone," Sutton said.

Ceasing the investigation "just meant they couldn't find enough evidence to proceed against them. Their view is that the parents are certainly not eliminated".

Sutton, who led more than 30 successful murder investigations, said it was well-rehearsed, best police practice in cases such as Madeleine McCann to eliminate those closest to the child first.

"Also any kind of investigation of murder or akin to murder the other place you need to eliminate early on is those that last saw the victim alive.

"In this case you've got essentially the same group of people who are both close to the victim and the last to see her alive. I'd always want to start with that.

"I don't understand why that hasn't been done [by Operation Grange], because it would appear to be in everyone's interest."

Earlier this month, Assistant Commissioner of London's Metropolitan Police Mark Rowley denied Scotland Yard had a closed mind to the possibility of Kate and Gerry McCann’s involvement.

"The involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese," Asst Com Rowley said during a media briefing.

"We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation."

When asked if Kate and Gerry McCann had ever been questioned as potential suspects by Scotland Yard detectives, Asst Com Rowley replied: "No."

Sutton said he disagreed with Asst Com Rowley's assessment. He said inconsistencies in some of Kate and Gerry's statements, Kate's 2011 book madeleine and also some of the witness accounts of the Tapas 7 disturbed him. "

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

In it, he recommended the “cell dump” – a vast backlog of phone data collected from towers – be examined again.

I hope that includes looking at deleted texts.

[Eleanor]

What on earth made Sutton think he was going to be offered the job of leading Operation Grange?  He obviously wasn't offered it.

A bit of sour grapes here if you ask me.

[Venturi Swirl]

Sutton of course sees it totally differently (incidententally this quote contradicts what DaveL claimed about SY / OG questioning the parents.......

https://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2017/05/mark-saunokonoko-uk-police-guilty-of.html

"Sutton also hit out at Scotland Yard claims that the McCanns, who have always denied any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine, had been cleared by Portugal's police force, the Policia Judiciaria (PJ).

Portuguese authorities shelved the investigation in 2008, 14 months after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, and in doing so lifted arguidos (formal suspect) status from the McCanns.

"The PJ have never cleared anyone," Sutton said.

Ceasing the investigation "just meant they couldn't find enough evidence to proceed against them. Their view is that the parents are certainly not eliminated".

Sutton, who led more than 30 successful murder investigations, said it was well-rehearsed, best police practice in cases such as Madeleine McCann to eliminate those closest to the child first.

"Also any kind of investigation of murder or akin to murder the other place you need to eliminate early on is those that last saw the victim alive.

"In this case you've got essentially the same group of people who are both close to the victim and the last to see her alive. I'd always want to start with that.

"I don't understand why that hasn't been done [by Operation Grange], because it would appear to be in everyone's interest."

Earlier this month, Assistant Commissioner of London's Metropolitan Police Mark Rowley denied Scotland Yard had a closed mind to the possibility of Kate and Gerry McCann’s involvement.

"The involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese," Asst Com Rowley said during a media briefing.

"We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation."

When asked if Kate and Gerry McCann had ever been questioned as potential suspects by Scotland Yard detectives, Asst Com Rowley replied: "No."

Sutton said he disagreed with Asst Com Rowley's assessment. He said inconsistencies in some of Kate and Gerry's statements, Kate's 2011 book madeleine and also some of the witness accounts of the Tapas 7 disturbed him. "

What’s this particular rent-a-gob saying about the case these days?  I imagine he’s got a lot to say.

[Mr Gray]

Sutton of course sees it totally differently (incidententally this quote contradicts what DaveL claimed about SY / OG questioning the parents.......

https://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2017/05/mark-saunokonoko-uk-police-guilty-of.html

"Sutton also hit out at Scotland Yard claims that the McCanns, who have always denied any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine, had been cleared by Portugal's police force, the Policia Judiciaria (PJ).

Portuguese authorities shelved the investigation in 2008, 14 months after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, and in doing so lifted arguidos (formal suspect) status from the McCanns.

"The PJ have never cleared anyone," Sutton said.

Ceasing the investigation "just meant they couldn't find enough evidence to proceed against them. Their view is that the parents are certainly not eliminated".

Sutton, who led more than 30 successful murder investigations, said it was well-rehearsed, best police practice in cases such as Madeleine McCann to eliminate those closest to the child first.

"Also any kind of investigation of murder or akin to murder the other place you need to eliminate early on is those that last saw the victim alive.

"In this case you've got essentially the same group of people who are both close to the victim and the last to see her alive. I'd always want to start with that.

"I don't understand why that hasn't been done [by Operation Grange], because it would appear to be in everyone's interest."

Earlier this month, Assistant Commissioner of London's Metropolitan Police Mark Rowley denied Scotland Yard had a closed mind to the possibility of Kate and Gerry McCann’s involvement.

"The involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese," Asst Com Rowley said during a media briefing.

"We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation."

When asked if Kate and Gerry McCann had ever been questioned as potential suspects by Scotland Yard detectives, Asst Com Rowley replied: "No."

Sutton said he disagreed with Asst Com Rowley's assessment. He said inconsistencies in some of Kate and Gerry's statements, Kate's 2011 book madeleine and also some of the witness accounts of the Tapas 7 disturbed him. "

This does not contradict my claim that the McCanns have not been questioned or reinterviewed by grange. rowley says they have not been interviewed as suspects...under caution...not that they haven't been interviewed.

Rowley confirms SY did not have a closed mind to the parents involvement and there is no reaeson to say the Mccanns were off limits if the evidence had pointed towards them. he says they looked at all the evidence before deciding the aprents were not involved.

[kizzy]

This does not contradict my claim that the McCanns have not been questioned or reinterviewed by grange. rowley says they have not been interviewed as suspects...under caution...not that they haven't been interviewed.

Rowley confirms SY did not have a closed mind to the parents involvement and there is no reaeson to say the Mccanns were off limits if the evidence had pointed towards them. he says they looked at all the evidence before deciding the aprents were not involved.

You can never get away from the fact....PJ shelved the case as lack of evidence..that doesn't mean no evidence.

The case was shelved as unsolved...you know full well the mcs were not cleared of any involvement how ever you spin your opinions. D

[Mr Gray]

You can never get away from the fact....PJ shelved the case as lack of evidence..that doesn't mean no evidence.

The case was shelved as unsolved...you know full well the mcs were not cleared of any involvement how ever you spin your opinions. D

Pedro Da Carmo...do you remember this...No evidence against the mccanns and they are not suspects. They werent cleared because they were never charged with anything. No spin just agood understanding of the facts.

you need to move on...parents not suspects...CB is

[kizzy]

Pedro Da Carmo...do you remember this...No evidence against the mccanns and they are not suspects. They werent cleared because they were never charged with anything. No spin just agood understanding of the facts.

you need to move on...parents not suspects...CB is

Move on has the abduction been proved then..NO

Yes, that's your interpretation they are not suspects. Mine is they have never been cleared of any involvement.

You can post what you like ..but you can't prove they are completely not involved.


The Supreme Court judges said that lifting their status as formal suspects does not mean that they were innocent.

[Mr Gray]

Move on has the abduction been proved then..NO

Yes, that's your interpretation they are not suspects. Mine is they have never been cleared of any involvement.

You can post what you like ..but you can't prove they are completely not involved.


The Supreme Court judges said that lifting their status as formal suspects does not mean that they were innocent.

Being found not guilty doesnt mean someones innocent.

You are making yourself look really silly and dont seem to understand the justice system. they dont have to prove their non involvement...thats a stupid idea. do you think they are still suspects.

Why dont you expect Breukner to prove hes innocent and not involved. You and others seem to want to support a proven paedophile and rapist.

[kizzy]

Being found not guilty doesnt mean someones innocent.

You are making yourself look really silly and dont seem to understand the justice system. they dont have to prove their non involvement...thats a stupid idea. do you think they are still suspects.

Why dont you expect Breukner to prove hes innocent and not involved. You and others seem to want to support a proven paedophile and rapist.

You and others seem to want to support a proven paedophile and rapist.


Now that is what you call silly and twisting the fact that its not support its I don't believe Maddie was abducted.

You can't prove she was......In fact, your post seems a bit desperate to me lol.

[Brietta]

Sutton of course sees it totally differently (incidententally this quote contradicts what DaveL claimed about SY / OG questioning the parents.......

https://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2017/05/mark-saunokonoko-uk-police-guilty-of.html

"Sutton also hit out at Scotland Yard claims that the McCanns, who have always denied any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine, had been cleared by Portugal's police force, the Policia Judiciaria (PJ).

Portuguese authorities shelved the investigation in 2008, 14 months after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, and in doing so lifted arguidos (formal suspect) status from the McCanns.

"The PJ have never cleared anyone," Sutton said.

Ceasing the investigation "just meant they couldn't find enough evidence to proceed against them. Their view is that the parents are certainly not eliminated".

Sutton, who led more than 30 successful murder investigations, said it was well-rehearsed, best police practice in cases such as Madeleine McCann to eliminate those closest to the child first.

"Also any kind of investigation of murder or akin to murder the other place you need to eliminate early on is those that last saw the victim alive.

"In this case you've got essentially the same group of people who are both close to the victim and the last to see her alive. I'd always want to start with that.

"I don't understand why that hasn't been done [by Operation Grange], because it would appear to be in everyone's interest."

Earlier this month, Assistant Commissioner of London's Metropolitan Police Mark Rowley denied Scotland Yard had a closed mind to the possibility of Kate and Gerry McCann’s involvement.

"The involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese," Asst Com Rowley said during a media briefing.

"We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation."

When asked if Kate and Gerry McCann had ever been questioned as potential suspects by Scotland Yard detectives, Asst Com Rowley replied: "No."

Sutton said he disagreed with Asst Com Rowley's assessment. He said inconsistencies in some of Kate and Gerry's statements, Kate's 2011 book madeleine and also some of the witness accounts of the Tapas 7 disturbed him. "

What would Sutton know anything about the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance?  He never worked on it did he?

[Venturi Swirl]

What would Sutton know anything about the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance?  He never worked on it did he?

For such a very opinionated person he seems to have had nothing whatsoever to say on these latest developments, not even the tiniest snipe at Op Grange recently as far as I can see....odd.

[kizzy]

What would Sutton know anything about the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance?  He never worked on it did he?

No, but it's daft to think he wasn't in the loop....or be privy to what others thoughts were on the case. IMO.

[Brietta]

I hope that includes looking at deleted texts.

Amaral didn't manage as co-ordantor of the investigation to follow through on the phone dump organised by the Brits.  Which in retrospect really should not have been too difficult a task using a basic process of elimination such as ...

• phone calls made in an appropriate periods before and after Madeleine's disappearance pinging off the antennae serving Luz
• was there a pattern to it
• which of the calls were to and from criminals - particularly burglars
• which of the calls were to individuals with a record of child abuse ... etc ... etc

Amaral didn't explain the circumstances in which the police weren't able to contact Brueckner because he wasn't in or why they never followed their visit up.

I think that is probably of far more importance than the victims of a horrendous crime clearing space on their message box to enable further messages to be received ... but even bringing up the nonsense thirteen years after the event leads me to wonder at the myopia of the master being reflected in the comments still being made by his support.