Goncalo Amaral.

[Mr Gray]

Nobody saw any window open from the outside and we know Matt said he was there listening.

The police obviously believe the McCanns...that's what matters...not a bunch of armchair detectives

[G-Unit]

when she arrived both the parents and a female friend of theirs whose name she does not know, were there and that is why the door was open.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

So Amy saw a partially open window and a raised shutter but the McCanns female friend didn't. Clever Amy........

[Mr Gray]

If kate had opened the shutters from the outside she would have realised they were not security shutters and would not have claimed they hade been forced or broken. if she raised them after finding them raised in the first palce she would have thought if they were security shutters they ahd been forced and the mechanism broken...it fits perfectly

[Mr Gray]

when she arrived both the parents and a female friend of theirs whose name she does not know, were there and that is why the door was open.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

So Amy saw a partially open window and a raised shutter but the McCanns female friend didn't. Clever Amy........

The police obviously believe the McCanns...that's what matters...not a bunch of armchair detectives

[Venturi Swirl]

when she arrived both the parents and a female friend of theirs whose name she does not know, were there and that is why the door was open.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

So Amy saw a partially open window and a raised shutter but the McCanns female friend didn't. Clever Amy........

Did the "female friend" say the window was closed?  It's very interesting to me how you cite "no reason to lie" in the case of the chef at the Tapas reason to believe his statement that the alarm was raised around 9.20pm, nor do you make any sarky little comments about how clever he is or how his statement isn't backed up by members of the Tapas group... why is that exactly?

[G-Unit]

The police obviously believe the McCanns...that's what matters...not a bunch of armchair detectives

If you mean OG they probably didn't realise that Amy Tierney had to go from the night creche to 5A, by which time the shutter was closed, according to the McCanns. It was the first thing Gerry McCann did;

The deponent ran to the apartment accompanied by the rest of the group who, at the time, were seated at the table. When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open on one side, the external blinds almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE'S bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cribs. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scene that she found when she entered the apartment.

----- Then he closed the external blinds
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

According to Fiona Payne she didn't go into 5A immediately, she spent ten minutes searching around the block. On her return she went into 5A, but Gerry left just before she did that, so it was just her and Kate then.

So how did Amy Tierney find both parents and a female friend in 5A before Gerry closed the shutters?

[Mr Gray]

Did the "female friend" say the window was closed?  It's very interesting to me how you cite "no reason to lie" in the case of the chef at the Tapas reason to believe his statement that the alarm was raised around 9.20pm, nor do you make any sarky little comments about how clever he is or how his statement isn't backed up by members of the Tapas group... why is that exactly?

Sarky as in wry

[Mr Gray]

If you mean OG they probably didn't realise that Amy Tierney had to go from the night creche to 5A, by which time the shutter was closed, according to the McCanns. It was the first thing Gerry McCann did;

The deponent ran to the apartment accompanied by the rest of the group who, at the time, were seated at the table. When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open on one side, the external blinds almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE'S bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cribs. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scene that she found when she entered the apartment.

----- Then he closed the external blinds
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

According to Fiona Payne she didn't go into 5A immediately, she spent ten minutes searching around the block. On her return she went into 5A, but Gerry left just before she did that, so it was just her and Kate then.

So how did Amy Tierney find both parents and a female friend in 5A before Gerry closed the shutters?

You use the word probably because you don't know. The fact is SY find the parents credible witnesses and obviously believe them to be innocent. All your little innuendo s are meaningless.
None of the statements can be relied upon to be accurate

[G-Unit]

Some people are more interested in criticising other posters than explaining how seemingly impossible scenarios occurred. In my opinion that's because they can't explain.

[Mr Gray]

Some people are more interested in criticising other posters than explaining how seemingly impossible scenarios occurred. In my opinion that's because they can't explain.

We can't explain precisely because we weren't there..it really is that simple. You cannot explain precisely...you just think you can..imo

[Venturi Swirl]

Some people are more interested in criticising other posters than explaining how seemingly impossible scenarios occurred. In my opinion that's because they can't explain.

And some people seem able to pick and choose who to believe is giving wholly accurate statements when it suits them, to fit their own particular agenda.  I can easily explain "impossible" scenarios that various witness statements when taken together seem to suggest.  It's because witnesses do not always remember every single detail, or every single detail exactly.  Amy remembers seeing the window up.  She is an independent witness.  She may be right as she has no reason to lie, and her statement backs up Kate's.   You don't like her statement for that reason so you ridicule her by repeatedly referring to her as "clever Amy".  That's childish.

[G-Unit]

We can't explain precisely because we weren't there..it really is that simple. You cannot explain precisely...you just think you can..imo

Neither can OG. Just like you they've chosen to believe the McCanns about the open shutters and window. So the abduction theory rests on believing the McCanns, not on any objective evidence imo.

[Venturi Swirl]

Neither can OG. Just like you they've chosen to believe the McCanns about the open shutters and window. So the abduction theory rests on believing the McCanns, not on any objective evidence.

The Germans seem to believe the McCanns too, and the Portuguese say CB is a suspect - do you think they believe the McCanns and CB colluded together? 

[Mr Gray]

Neither can OG. Just like you they've chosen to believe the McCanns about the open shutters and window. So the abduction theory rests on believing the McCanns, not on any objective evidence imo.

As Ive expalined before much of Justice is based on who is beleived. SY obvioulsy beleive the  McCanns are telling the truth. They will have their reasons for beleiving them based on their professional experience...based on speaking to them ..based on their actions since...based on the fact that theres no real evidence against them to support an accident and death in the apartment.

[G-Unit]

And some people seem able to pick and choose who to believe is giving wholly accurate statements when it suits them, to fit their own particular agenda.  I can easily explain "impossible" scenarios that various witness statements when taken together seem to suggest.  It's because witnesses do not always remember every single detail, or every single detail exactly.  Amy remembers seeing the window up.  She is an independent witness.  She may be right as she has no reason to lie, and her statement backs up Kate's.   You don't like her statement for that reason so you ridicule her by repeatedly referring to her as "clever Amy".  That's childish.

Amy, I assume, saw Fiona Payne in the apartment with the parents. Fiona entered 5A at 10.10pm at the earliest. Only Kate was there and Fiona searched the apartment, including;

I think I touched the webbing in that room, but because Sean and Amelie were asleep, I didn't actually open the shutter in that room
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

If Amy went to 5A before 10.10pm she wouldn't have seen Fiona, who says the shutter was closed.