Goncalo Amaral.

[G-Unit]

You should be able to work that out for yourself...it's quite logical perhaps some don't realise

I find your 'logic' very difficult to follow. It seems so illogical.

[Mr Gray]

I find your 'logic' very difficult to follow. It seems so illogical.

In what way... Whether Cipriano murdered her daughter is opinion..not fact...
Until it's proven beyond all doubt...which it hasn't been...her guilt remains opinion

[faithlilly]

Leonore Cipriano was tortured in police custody.

A Portuguese court said so.

Amaral was convicted of covering up her torture.

I think it possible that members don't fully appreciate how badly condoning torture reflects on them.  A group of men laying into a defenceless blindfolded woman (bag over her head} and beating her until she required hospitalisation is not an edifying thing to support or defend. In my opinion.

Or a shambles of a women who was convicted of  one of the most abhorrent crimes, changed her story more regularly than most of us change our mind and had time added to her sentence for lying. Who quite possibly was beaten by her fellow inmates who, strangely enough, don’t like child killers.

[Mr Gray]

Or a shambles of a women who was convicted of  one of the most abhorrent crimes, changed her story more regularly than most of us change our mind and had time added to her sentence for lying. Who quite possibly was beaten by her fellow inmates who, strangely enough, don’t like child killers.

If the PJ had claimed she was beaten by other prisoners your claim might have some truth.
The PJ said her injuries happened when she fell down the stairs in their presence. That places them present when the injuries happened. I think it's quite possible she's innocent

[faithlilly]

In what way... Whether Cipriano murdered her daughter is opinion..not fact...
Until it's proven beyond all doubt...which it hasn't been...her guilt remains opinion

So you don’t think Huntley is guilty ?

[Mr Gray]

So you don’t think Huntley is guilty ?

Based on the evidence yes...

Barry George was found guilty at his trial...that doesn't make him guilty

[faithlilly]

Based on the evidence yes...

Barry George was found guilty at his trial...that doesn't make him guilty

And his conviction was quashed on appeal.

How many appeals has the Cipriano woman had ?

[Mr Gray]

And his conviction was quashed on appeal.

How many appeals has the Cipriano woman had ?

This has been discussed at length... anymore is pointless...it's all on the other board..
It seems most Portuguese think she's innocent

[The General]

This has been discussed at length... anymore is pointless...it's all on the other board..
It seems most Portuguese think she's innocent

Another Trumpesque brag.
Having read the whole sordid Correia affair, it's pretty unequivocal that a. she did it, b. she admitted it in the presence of her lawyer (Celia Costa), c. she fabricated the whole torture nonsense (Calado requesting paperwork be manipulated).
So yes, let's move on.

[Mr Gray]

Another Trumpesque brag.
Having read the whole sordid Correia affair, it's pretty unequivocal that a. she did it, b. she admitted it in the presence of her lawyer (Celia Costa), c. she fabricated the whole torture nonsense (Calado requesting paperwork be manipulated).
So yes, let's move on.

I think your post is complete codswallop...no admission in front of her lawyer.... torture by PJ proved....but yes let's move on

[Angelo222]

This has been discussed at length... anymore is pointless...it's all on the other board..
It seems most Portuguese think she's innocent

She's a liar and a perjurer and assisted a felon after a crime, anything more is doubtful.  Both she and her brother ultimately admitted that he did it.

[Mr Gray]

She's a liar and a perjurer and assisted a felon after a crime, anything more is doubtful.  Both she and her brother ultimately admitted that he did it.

I don't think she did..but it's all off topic...and already been discussed at length

[G-Unit]

In what way... Whether Cipriano murdered her daughter is opinion..not fact...
Until it's proven beyond all doubt...which it hasn't been...her guilt remains opinion

So is any conviction. In law she's guilty, just like any other convicted criminal. That's a fact.

[faithlilly]

I think your post is complete codswallop...no admission in front of her lawyer.... torture by PJ proved....but yes let's move on

Her lawyer, the one before Grade, was present at the questioning that elicited her confession but said nothing about torture.

[Eleanor]

Her lawyer, the one before Grade, was present at the questioning that elicited her confession but said nothing about torture.

I have yet to see any definitive proof of this.  So a Cite would be useful.