Goncalo Amaral.

[Mr Gray]

No, you clearly don't understand, or are being deliberately obtuse - no, it's definitely the former; in the example I provided, over and above the three you keep on a constant loop, he didn't find the body, he found where the body had been briefly secreted.
Jenga!

He had found one body in 5 years. Fact
Thats why Grime thought he needed another job.. Opinion

[Eleanor]

Poor Eddie.  The subject of human failings.  Although I don't suppose he knew.

[barrier]

Poor Eddie.  The subject of human failings.  Although I don't suppose he knew.

Poor Madeleine, still being subjected to human failings.

[Eleanor]

Poor Madeleine, still being subjected to human failings.

Ah, but those of whom?

[The General]

Ah, but those of whom?

Kate and Gerry.

[barrier]

Ah, but those of whom?

Starter for 10.

[Carana]

You don't understand.. If there's a body hw will find it.. He's a victim recovery dog. That doesn't mean every time he barks cadaver odour is present

There COULD have been elements of "cadaver" odour present, but there are hundreds of components (many of which, in small combinations, may trigger a totally irrelevant alert ). The odour of decomposiiton is everywhere, although unless in work mode, he wouldn't necessarily have been attentive. Smelly socks, bad breath, babies' nappies... were any of those possibilites ever ruled out? True for him, but totally irrelevant to the investigation.

And I still find it incredible that nearly 15 years later the Dogwin* principle still applies.

*Apologies to Godwin.

[Mr Gray]

There COULD have been elements of "cadaver" odour present, but there are hundreds of components (many of which, in small combinations, may trigger a totally irrelevant alert ). The odour of decomposiiton is everywhere, although unless in work mode, he wouldn't necessarily have been attentive. Smelly socks, bad breath, babies' nappies... were any of those possibilites ever ruled out? True for him, but totally irrelevant to the investigation.

And I still find it incredible that nearly 15 years later the Dogwin* principle still applies.

*Apologies to Godwin.

The point is that by using the word cadaver odour it's natural for people to.. Believe... Grime is referring to the odour FROM a dead body... Not smelly socks. That's a point I think Grime should have explained more clearly, but that would not have helped his business plans.
Then we have the fact the dogs only alerted to things mccann. That's why I say Grime has a lot of explaining to do if it's shown maddie did not die in the apartment

[Brietta]

There COULD have been elements of "cadaver" odour present, but there are hundreds of components (many of which, in small combinations, may trigger a totally irrelevant alert ). The odour of decomposiiton is everywhere, although unless in work mode, he wouldn't necessarily have been attentive. Smelly socks, bad breath, babies' nappies... were any of those possibilites ever ruled out? True for him, but totally irrelevant to the investigation.

And I still find it incredible that nearly 15 years later the Dogwin* principle still applies.

*Apologies to Godwin.

We watched the dog prior to his entry to the apartment as he pulled his handler along the outside pathway behind the wall..

He did not sit and wait to be told when he had clocked on for the start of his shift and was in work mode.   He was far too excited to do that.  He was right in there.  A cadaver dog who couldn't differentiate between when he was on the job and when he wasn't.

Something set Eddie off before he had even entered the apartment - that was obvious.  Fifteen years later there are still numpties around who haven't thought about the implications of that.

[Carana]

The point is that by using the word cadaver odour it's natural for people to.. Believe... Grime is referring to the odour FROM a dead body... Not smelly socks. That's a point I think Grime should have explained more clearly, but that would not have helped his business plans.
Then we have the fact the dogs only alerted to things mccann. That's why I say Grime has a lot of explaining to do if it's shown maddie did not die in the apartment

If he had kept to the "odour of decomposition" as apposed to "cadaver", I wouldn't have a problem.

It seems that the dogs didn't alert elsewhere, ok. But did they alert (e.g. in front of a bathroom bin in other apartments) but were deemed irrelevant?  cf sex tissues / Jersey.

[G-Unit]

There COULD have been elements of "cadaver" odour present, but there are hundreds of components (many of which, in small combinations, may trigger a totally irrelevant alert ). The odour of decomposiiton is everywhere, although unless in work mode, he wouldn't necessarily have been attentive. Smelly socks, bad breath, babies' nappies... were any of those possibilites ever ruled out? True for him, but totally irrelevant to the investigation.

And I still find it incredible that nearly 15 years later the Dogwin* principle still applies.

*Apologies to Godwin.

I don't think cadaver dogs alert to smelly socks, bad breath or babies' nappies, do they?

[Mr Gray]

If he had kept to the "odour of decomposition" as apposed to "cadaver", I wouldn't have a problem.

It seems that the dogs didn't alert elsewhere, ok. But did they alert (e.g. in front of a bathroom bin in other apartments) but were deemed irrelevant?  cf sex tissues / Jersey.

I was surprised to read in the BDO report that having alerted to the spot where the coconut was found in Jersey it was moved to another location... Where Eddie alerted again.

[Mr Gray]

I don't think cadaver dogs alert to smelly socks, bad breath or babies' nappies, do they?

I think it's quite possible they do... But they never seem to have been tested. It seems they are only tested on contaminated vs clean pad. That's poor testing from a scientific and evidential point of view

[Mr Gray]

Cadaverine is a toxic diamine usually produced by protein hydrolysis during putrefaction of animal tissue. Cadaverine is also known as 1,5-pentanediamine and pentamethylenediamine, and represents one of the substances possibly implicated in establishing halitosis

[G-Unit]

I think it's quite possible they do... But they never seem to have been tested. It seems they are only tested on contaminated vs clean pad. That's poor testing from a scientific and evidential point of view

It's just a rumour then. Thank you.