Author Topic: Goncalo Amaral.  (Read 408443 times)

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Offline Rossb

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4995 on: July 27, 2022, 09:50:10 AM »
Where does it say no prints were looked for outside? I think the SOCO people used lights all over 5A;

"A forensic light source is a crime scene investigator’s and lab technician’s tool for enhancing observation, photography and collection of evidence including latent fingerprints, body fluids, hair and fibers, bruises, bite marks, wound patterns, shoe and foot imprints, gun shot residues, drug traces, questioned documents, bone fragment detection, etc. It provides more sensitivity than traditional methods thus increasing the amount of evidence uncovered and the quality of the evidence photographed and collected."
https://www.horiba.com/int/scientific/products/spex-forensics/forensics-products/forensic-light-sources/#:~:text=A%20forensic%20light%20source%20is,shot%20residues%2C%20drug%20traces%2C%20questioned

I expect the bedroom window was examined thoroughly when it was taken out of situ;



It is in the pj files, they explained it was too dark to take prints on the outside from one of their team, they therefore nevwr mentioned the outside window in report in regards to any prints, even if they were no prints you would expect it to be reported.
Like wonderfulspam said taking peoples word for it.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4996 on: July 27, 2022, 09:53:09 AM »
I made no recommendations for additional tests, I merely took issue with your comment that Amaral bore no responsibility whatsoever for evidence collected at the crime scene.

So Amaral is denigrated for years for 'not having Madeleine's bedding tested', although no-one seems able to suggest what tests were neglected. Neither are they sure whether the police can instruct SOCO personel how to do their jobs. Woolly illogical thinking imo.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4997 on: July 27, 2022, 10:02:48 AM »
In my opinion there's not much understanding here of how a coordinator works.
Explain the role then - was it purely administrative rather than investigative?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4998 on: July 27, 2022, 10:03:23 AM »
So Amaral is denigrated for years for 'not having Madeleine's bedding tested', although no-one seems able to suggest what tests were neglected. Neither are they sure whether the police can instruct SOCO personel how to do their jobs. Woolly illogical thinking imo.

Did The Coordinator get the results?  That is the question.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #4999 on: July 27, 2022, 10:03:50 AM »
It is in the pj files, they explained it was too dark to take prints on the outside from one of their team, they therefore nevwr mentioned the outside window in report in regards to any prints, even if they were no prints you would expect it to be reported.
Like wonderfulspam said taking peoples word for it.

Did you understand that there were two different visits to 5A? The first, by Joao Barreiras did indeed explain that he took prints only from the inside of the window between 1am and 4am on 4th. 5A was then locked up and the specialists from Lisbon arrived at about 3pm on 4th for a more thorough investigation.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5000 on: July 27, 2022, 10:06:06 AM »
So Amaral is denigrated for years for 'not having Madeleine's bedding tested', although no-one seems able to suggest what tests were neglected. Neither are they sure whether the police can instruct SOCO personel how to do their jobs. Woolly illogical thinking imo.
Perhaps you can explain where I have been illogical?  I am “only asking questions”, do you have a problem with that?  Here’s another question for you: who was responsible for gathering CCTV footage from the local area?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5001 on: July 27, 2022, 10:08:58 AM »
Perhaps you can explain where I have been illogical?  I am “only asking questions”, do you have a problem with that?  Here’s another question for you: who was responsible for gathering CCTV footage from the local area?

Amaral found some.  After it had been deleted.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5002 on: July 27, 2022, 10:22:19 AM »
Explain the role then - was it purely administrative rather than investigative?

Perhaps people should stop, think, and research rather than throwing accusations around without knowing if they're justified or not.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5003 on: July 27, 2022, 10:28:43 AM »
Perhaps people should stop, think, and research rather than throwing accusations around without knowing if they're justified or not.

Sound advice.  Perhaps you might try that.

Offline Rossb

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5004 on: July 27, 2022, 10:51:06 AM »
Did you understand that there were two different visits to 5A? The first, by Joao Barreiras did indeed explain that he took prints only from the inside of the window between 1am and 4am on 4th. 5A was then locked up and the specialists from Lisbon arrived at about 3pm on 4th for a more thorough investigation.

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOAO_BARREIRAS.htm
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

It does not state clearly if prints were taken. They just say no seemed force of entry, but why in the files take prints on door knobs inside window etc and not outside, that is amateur at best when it could strengthen the pj claim

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5005 on: July 27, 2022, 11:10:56 AM »
Perhaps people should stop, think, and research rather than throwing accusations around without knowing if they're justified or not.
Wowsers, the irony is astounding, but thanks for that, it gave me a good laugh.   (&^&
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5006 on: July 27, 2022, 11:14:11 AM »
So in the name of "on-topic" research, what was Amaral's exact role - was it purely administrative and not investigative, and who was responsible for gathering CCTV in the area, something which Amaral has admitted was not done and was a failing of the investigation?  If not his responsibility then whose? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Rossb

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5007 on: July 27, 2022, 11:16:53 AM »
So in the name of "on-topic" research, what was Amaral's exact role - was it purely administrative and not investigative, and who was responsible for gathering CCTV in the area, something which Amaral has admitted was not done and was a failing of the investigation?  If not his responsibility then whose?

Yeah, i heard two things cctv were not working at police station, dont know how true but also the supermarket down from the apartment was on but not recording. That could have solved it

Offline Eleanor

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5008 on: July 27, 2022, 11:20:08 AM »
So in the name of "on-topic" research, what was Amaral's exact role - was it purely administrative and not investigative, and who was responsible for gathering CCTV in the area, something which Amaral has admitted was not done and was a failing of the investigation?  If not his responsibility then whose?

Who was responsible for all of the scraps of paper littering Amaral's desk that hadn't been entered into the computer when he got the sack?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Goncalo Amaral.
« Reply #5009 on: July 27, 2022, 11:45:53 AM »
Who was responsible for all of the scraps of paper littering Amaral's desk that hadn't been entered into the computer when he got the sack?
Well he was only the co-ordinator so maybe the janitor?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly