Dog Alerts- Evidence or not?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

His opinion was that it was possible the dog was alerting to cadaver odour which admits its possible it wasnt...which is a false alert

Sorry but I don’t understand your sentence. I think it’s the word “which” that doesn’t help convey what you are meaning.  I don’t believe MG thought they were false alerts. I’ve heard a report on a phone conversation between him and a reporter in which he gives his opinion.

[Mr Gray]

Sorry but I don’t understand your sentence. I think it’s the word “which” that doesn’t help convey what you are meaning.  I don’t believe MG thought they were false alerts. I’ve heard a report on a phone conversation between him and a reporter in which he gives his opinion.

my post makes perfect sense...im not interested in the alleged word of a reporter which claims grime is discussing  his evidence re an ongoing case ...which itself is unprofessional...and allegedly contradicting his own statement which would make him an unreliable witness...if that was true ...which I doubt..it doesn't say much for grime

[pathfinder73]

His opinion was that it was possible the dog was alerting to cadaver odour which admits its possible it wasnt...which is a false alert

FALSE ALERTS

'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.
My experience as a trainer is that false alerts are normally caused by handler
cueing. All indications by the dog are preceded by a change in bahaviour.
This increased handler confidence in the response. This procedure also stops
handlers 'cueing' and indication. The dogs are allowed to 'free search' and
investigate areas of interest. The handler does not influence their behaviour
other than to direct the search.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Mr Gray]

FALSE ALERTS

'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.
My experience as a trainer is that false alerts are normally caused by handler
cueing. All indications by the dog are preceded by a change in bahaviour.
This increased handler confidence in the response. This procedure also stops
handlers 'cueing' and indication. The dogs are allowed to 'free search' and
investigate areas of interest. The handler does not influence their behaviour
other than to direct the search.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

no evidential reliability or value

[Lace]

FALSE ALERTS

'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.
My experience as a trainer is that false alerts are normally caused by handler
cueing. All indications by the dog are preceded by a change in bahaviour.
This increased handler confidence in the response. This procedure also stops
handlers 'cueing' and indication. The dogs are allowed to 'free search' and
investigate areas of interest. The handler does not influence their behaviour
other than to direct the search.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

If Eddie had been given a 'free search'  he would have trotted around the bedroom and left,  it was because Grime called him back a few times that he finally alerted,  to what who knows,  the smell of dirty washing that had been in the wardrobe maybe.

[pathfinder73]

If Eddie had been given a 'free search'  he would have trotted around the bedroom and left,  it was because Grime called him back a few times that he finally alerted,  to what who knows,  the smell of dirty washing that had been in the wardrobe maybe.

The handler does not influence their behaviour other than to direct the search.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

no evidential reliability or value

You are misunderstanding MG. You should have made a massive font at “This procedure also stops handler cueing”

[The General]

You are misunderstanding MG. You should have made a massive font at “This procedure also stops handler cueing”

Davel thinks the used of EVRD's is akin to Derek Acorah walking around an abandoned castle in the dark talking to spirits. So any further discussion with someone with such a viewpoint is rendered useless.

[Mr Gray]

Davel thinks the used of EVRD's is akin to Derek Acorah walking around an abandoned castle in the dark talking to spirits. So any further discussion with someone with such a viewpoint is rendered useless.

If that's what you think my viewpoint is any further discussion with you is useless ...you are quite wrong

[barrier]

If Eddie had been given a 'free search'  he would have trotted around the bedroom and left,  it was because Grime called him back a few times that he finally alerted,  to what who knows,  the smell of dirty washing that had been in the wardrobe maybe.

Have you never seen working dogs and their handlers in tandem, of course Grime called him back, left to their own a dog will do as it pleases.

[Mr Gray]

You are misunderstanding MG. You should have made a massive font at “This procedure also stops handler cueing”

If Grime thinks it's possible to stop handler cuing in all searches he's made a mistake.

[The General]

If that's what you think my viewpoint is any further discussion with you is useless ...you are quite wrong

You said as much yesterday. It's a 'scattergun' approach apparently and you're bound to get lucky occasionally.

[Mr Gray]

You said as much yesterday. It's a 'scattergun' approach apparently and you're bound to get lucky occasionally.

That isn't what I said....

[Lace]

The handler does not influence their behaviour other than to direct the search.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

They do it subconsciously he knew it was the McCann's apartment,  Eddie wasn't bothered with the bedroom Grime called him back.

[kizzy]

no evidential reliability or value

But yet it is still stuff that could be used...If backed up with something else it seems it would be evidence

Also, have value so it wasn't nothing as you try and make out