Multiple reasons why Sheila Caffell is innocent and Jeremy Bamber is guilty

[puglove]

And the logs clearly show that Ralph did NOT make a phone call from WHF that night. The message about Sheila was relayed from JB. Done and dusted.

[John]

Something else just doesn't sit well with these events Shona.  Why on earth would Sheila go into the far corner of her parents bedroom to shoot herself and do so on the floor?  It just isn't logical.  If Sheila was going to commit suicide she would have done so on the bed.

It is more than obvious that Sheila was scared into the far reaches of the room and had nowhere else to go when she was shot in the neck.

[puglove]

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[Tim Invictus]

Something else just doesn't sit well with these events Shona.  Why on earth would Sheila go into the far corner of her parents bedroom to shoot herself and do so on the floor?  It just isn't logical.  If Sheila was going to commit suicide she would have done so on the bed.

It is more than obvious that Sheila was scared into the far reaches of the room and had nowhere else to go when she was shot in the neck.

Colin Cafell addressed this in his book. Absolutely convinced that Sheila would never have hurt her boys or Nevill he also points out that Sheila would never have killed herself near her mother June, she would have died with her boys. 

[Angelo222]

It does seem that the more we all look at events the more it becomes apparent that Sheila Caffell was one of the victims in this case and not the perpetrator.  Gun firing tests in Arizona is one thing but the existing evidence points squarely at Jeremy Bamber whatever way you look at it .  Tim is right about what Colin Caffell says about what Sheila would or would not have done.  I think Colin was much better placed to know about what Sheila's state of mind was than all the silly theories now being rolled out as fact by Tesko some 26 years after the event.

[Matthew Wyse]

It does seem that the more we all look at events the more it becomes apparent that Sheila Caffell was one of the victims in this case and not the perpetrator.  Gun firing tests in Arizona is one thing but the existing evidence points squarely at Jeremy Bamber whatever way you look at it .  Tim is right about what Colin Caffell says about what Sheila would or would not have done.  I think Colin was much better placed to know about what Sheila's state of mind was than all the silly theories now being rolled out as fact by Tesko some 26 years after the event.

Quite agree David.   Colin Caffell knew Sheila from an early stage and was extremely well placed to be able to say what she was or was not capable of.  The strange thing is though why say has she finally done it or has this question been taken completely out of context.

When the police called with Colin on the morning of the murders they would not have told him straight out what had taken place for obvious reasons. When he was told that it concerned his ex wife he probably thought that she had got herself into some sort of trouble but murder was the last thing he suspected.

It must be said that he did go along with the 'Sheila did it' theory at the beginning, I wonder why he didn't say more then?

[Admin]

It does seem that the more we all look at events the more it becomes apparent that Sheila Caffell was one of the victims in this case and not the perpetrator.  Gun firing tests in Arizona is one thing but the existing evidence points squarely at Jeremy Bamber whatever way you look at it .  Tim is right about what Colin Caffell says about what Sheila would or would not have done.  I think Colin was much better placed to know about what Sheila's state of mind was than all the silly theories now being rolled out as fact by Tesko some 26 years after the event.

Quite agree David.   Colin Caffell knew Sheila from an early stage and was extremely well placed to be able to say what she was or was not capable of.  The strange thing is though why say has she finally done it or has this question been taken completely out of context.

When the police called with Colin on the morning of the murders they would not have told him straight out what had taken place for obvious reasons. When he was told that it concerned his ex wife he probably thought that she had got herself into some sort of trouble but murder was the last thing he suspected.

It must be said that he did go along with the 'Sheila did it' theory at the beginning, I wonder why he didn't say more then?

Colins comments have been used to give the impression that Sheila was capable of murder, something he later categorically refutes.  The visit to White House farm was to have been a new beginning for Sheila and Colin would probably have been part of that in time.  Certainly Colin speaks of this in his video intervew.

[John]

Those who would preach on Jeremy Bambers behalf try to make out that Sheila had some sort of episode that morning which turned her into a madwoman who was capable of not only handling a quite complicated rifle but of firing it 25 times and reloading it twice all at the same time.  I know, if it wasn't really sad it would be funny.

[Sandy]

Those who would preach on Jeremy Bambers behalf try to make out that Sheila had some sort of episode that morning which turned her into a madwoman who was capable of not only handling a quite complicated rifle but of firing it 25 times and reloading it twice all at the same time.  I know, if it wasn't really sad it would be funny.

its hardly likey is it john.   someone who has an episode doesnt have the presence of mind to do what she did on the spur of the moment.  women kill their children in all sorts of ways but it is usually premeditated with a build up of stress and anxiety.  there was no such build up with sheila in fact she was over the moon that colin was taking an active part in the family again.   as far as i see she was looking forward to the future positively.

[John]

Hardly likely and most unlikely.  The thing that sells it for me though and Shona has pushed this point ad infinitum is the fact of the absence of any blood down the front of her neck or on the front of her nightie.  Had she shot herself there would have been blood there, all over her hands and smears all over her mouth and face.  The fact is there wasn't.

There would also have been blood on the TRIGGER OF THE RIFLE!   THERE WASN'T!!

Jerry slipped up on that one.

[Sandy]

Hardly likely and most unlikely.  The thing that sells it for me though and Shona has pushed this point ad infinitum is the fact of the absence of any blood down the front of her neck or on the front of her nightie.  Had she shot herself there would have been blood there, all over her hands and smears all over her mouth and face.  The fact is there wasn't.

There would also have been blood on the TRIGGER OF THE RIFLE!   THERE WASN'T!!

Jerry slipped up on that one.

thats right.  in fact remarkably little blood was on found on the rifle and then only on the cocking mechanism and stock.

[John]

Hardly likely and most unlikely.  The thing that sells it for me though and Shona has pushed this point ad infinitum is the fact of the absence of any blood down the front of her neck or on the front of her nightie.  Had she shot herself there would have been blood there, all over her hands and smears all over her mouth and face.  The fact is there wasn't.

There would also have been blood on the TRIGGER OF THE RIFLE!   THERE WASN'T!!

Jerry slipped up on that one.

thats right.  in fact remarkably little blood was on found on the rifle and then only on the cocking mechanism and stock.

There was blood on the rifle barrel, in the region of the foresight of the rifle, around the mechanism and on the stock. 
Here is an extract from forensic scientist John Hayward's handwritten report.


The rifle (18) bears bloodsmearing on the barrel in the region of the fore-sight, round the mechanism and on
the stock.  The stock of the rifle (18), which is broken, also bears blood splashes on one side.  The damage to
the stock of the rifle (18) and the blood splashes on it could have resulted from the rifle (18) having been used
to hit a person who was already bleeding. Some of the blood from the stock, and near the breach of the rifle
(18) has been tested and in each case found to be of human origin. Tests to determine the group of these
bloodstains have been unsuccessful. There is no blood on the pull-through (135) from the barrel of the rifle (18).

[Weety]

Hardly likely and most unlikely.  The thing that sells it for me though and Shona has pushed this point ad infinitum is the fact of the absence of any blood down the front of her neck or on the front of her nightie.  Had she shot herself there would have been blood there, all over her hands and smears all over her mouth and face.  The fact is there wasn't.

There would also have been blood on the TRIGGER OF THE RIFLE!   THERE WASN'T!!

Jerry slipped up on that one.

Actually Shona made a good point the other day which I meant to comment on - she pointed out that if Sheila had have been conscious after the lower, not immediately fatal wound was inflicted she would have been coughing up blood everywhere. That would sell it for me provided that the bullet damaged something that would have bled into her throat - do we know whether it did?

[puglove]

Hi, Weets. I think that the tissue damage caused by the first shot caused internal bleeding, as seen in the collection of blood in a pouch under Sheila's chin. I think that blood would have flooded into Sheila's mouth - remember the image from the documentary, and how much blood escaped from her mouth when her body was moved? IMO, if she was conscious at all after that first shot, she would have involuntarily expelled blood from her mouth. IMO that first shot rendered her unconscious and when the killer checked on her before leaving, they pulled her slightly by her feet, exposed her neck and shot her again. It would be really useful if a medical expert could look at the x ray and give an opinion.