Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?

[nina]

To get back to the murder of Joanna Yeates, does anyone have a sort of timeline for VT on that day the 17th?

I think that to clear my mind, I at least, need to start at the beginning of that day (he cycled to the station and caught the train to Bath and went to work.) It would be a help if we knew what time he arrived back at Temple Meads station. Did he take his bike to work or leave it at Temple Meads? Little things like that.

As Nine is the `font of VT knowledge' as I have christened this poster, I have high hopes of receiving a starting point.

[mrswah]

To get back to the murder of Joanna Yeates, does anyone have a sort of timeline for VT on that day the 17th?

I think that to clear my mind, I at least, need to start at the beginning of that day (he cycled to the station and caught the train to Bath and went to work.) It would be a help if we knew what time he arrived back at Temple Meads station. Did he take his bike to work or leave it at Temple Meads? Little things like that.

As Nine is the `font of VT knowledge' as I have christened this poster, I have high hopes of receiving a starting point.

I did one at one time, and also one for Joanna---hers was more detailed, as we had CCTV giving times, which we did not have for VT.

I will see if I can find it. Actually, I have wondered the same as you: whether he left his bike at the station, or took it on the train, and I have not been able to find an answer!

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I agree with you basically, and in my opinion, the "sex offender" trial had to happen just in case the stitches started to unravel-----but, I repeat, that is just my opinion.

It is difficult for me to believe that VT is either a killer or a sex offender, BUT I could be wrong. I don't actually know him, of course, and even if I did, I still wouldn't be able to be sure of what he was/wasn't capable of.

IF he was stitched up, they DID do a very good job in that the vast majority of people believe in his guilt-----or else they haven't thought about it much one way or the other, or have forgotten about it long ago. Somebody would have to come forward with some very credible new evidence for anyone to take much notice of what we say on
 here-----IMO, of course!!

And, it COULD happen.

Do you Not think that we have come up with credible Evidence Mrswah... Which is new ???

(A): Irregular use of Court Room 2 At The Old Bailey

(B): 2 Court Room appearance at 2 different Court Rooms at the Old Bailey on the same day

(C): The very same two appearance at the same time of 10:00am

(D): For two different Types of hearings

(E) "For Mention Hearing and "A Plea and Case managemnet Hearing

(F): Dr Vincent Tabak not entering the Type of Manslaughter Plea

(G):A trial date for 4 weeks long before anyone new what Dr Vincent Tabak's side of The story was... Making a trial possibly longer

(H): Dr Vincent Tabak not signing his statement until September 2011... making a"Prosecution" and A Defence team .. unready for a trial in October 2011... not having The full version of apparent events  in May 2011 when the trial date and time was set....

(I):Ann Reddropp's unorthodox approach and unyielding quest to Prosecute "A Simple Murder Case"... when she was The head of The Complex Case Unit!!!

(J): Joanna Yeates obvious change of Clothing..

(K): No VHCC applied for as far as I can tell... or that would be more people for the high jump...

(L): Searches that could not be Dr Vincent Tabak's

(M): The Lack of Dutch in the searches..

(N): The only option a Jury had was MURDER... when The Manslaughter Plea type was never established

(O): The Jury being told to write the word ‘definition’ in their copy of the 1300 page Document changing the definition of a search

(P): Dr Vincent Tabak's Rights having been violated

(Q): Dr Vincent Tabak not being cautioned in Holland on 31st December 2010

(R): Dr Vincent Tabak not having any sort of Psychological Evaluation for mitigating circumstances

(S): Dr Vincent Tabak's council's not representing him to the best of their ability

(T): DSI Phil Jones admission of the DNA sample not being Ready till 20th January 2011 giving him 6 hours to Investigate Dr Vincent Tabak before he applied for a warrant and arresting him on the 20th January 2011

(U): Ann Reddrops Insistence that this was "ALWAYS" a Murder Inquiry... when she couldn't possibly know How, When, Why or Who killed Joanna Yeates .. In late December 2010

(V): Dr Vincent Tabak being at his home until 9:29pm on Friday 17th December 2010.. when The Prosecution have Insisted Joanna Yeates died within minutes of getting home..

(W): Joanna Yeates clothes differing when she was found ... from what she was wearing in The Ram Pub on 17th December 2010

(X): A prison Officer posing as A Chaplain


(Y): The Outside lights being off on 17th December 2010 making it impossible for Joanna Yeates to see anyone outside...

(Z):  The two elements that 'The Head of The Crown Prosecution used to Charge Dr Vincent Tabak in the first place.. Because the DNA was partial... And they had no other evidence against Dr vincent tabak at the time of his ARREST.....


So mrswah... Do you not think we have gone along way in showing new evidence?? And will it help Dr Vincent Tabak..

Or Maybe there is actually someone out there who has something extra to add to the mix..... I hope so... I really really hope so....

EDIT.... Oh yes I nearly forgot.... Bernard being another cat... All of the photoshopped photo's of not only Dr Vincent Tabak... But Photo's of Flat 1 which clearly have had objects moved... when this property was supposed to be a time capsule from the day of her disapperance....

[nina]

Just had a look online at APCOA parking which seems to be the parking company for Temple Meads it says:

Our car parks may provide parking for motorbikes and push bikes. Which doesn't tell us a lot about 2010. If I can think up a suitable story I may phone them up tomorrow and ask what  people did with bikes in 2010.

[mrswah]

We have asked many questions and raised many doubts, but as far as the police and the lawyers are concerned, the suspect pleaded guilty, and therefore it's done and dusted. Many of the questions that would have been asked in court, had VT pleaded "not guilty" were not asked, and many of the people who might have testified in court did not testify. There was no need to have a "did he do it or didn't he?" trial, because (apparently), he said he had done it!

Now, I don't think that was very satisfactory in this case, however, it is the way our legal system works.

If someone else was to confess to having killed Jo, or if her DNA (and not the "enhanced" stuff) or her fingerprints were found in the home of somebody whom we have never heard about, and who, perhaps has "form", or if a witness was to come forward with information about a potential suspect, or had well-founded suspicions that somebody had been with Jo during that weekend------that kind of thing is the "new evidence" that would be needed-----in my opinion, of course.

Such things do happen in this world from time to time. Forums such as this one are important because they just might prick somebody's conscience.  All depends on who reads it-----and I expect more people read it than we think.

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Just had a look online at APCOA parking which seems to be the parking company for Temple Meads it says:

Our car parks may provide parking for motorbikes and push bikes. Which doesn't tell us a lot about 2010. If I can think up a suitable story I may phone them up tomorrow and ask what  people did with bikes in 2010.

Dr Vincent Tabak didn't ride to work as far as I am aware...  I believe that it was mentioned in one of the newspapers that one of his work colleagues commented on his "Tasseled" Jacket he wore to work... Now he Is hardly likely going to arrive at work in A tassled jacket if riding a Bicycle.... That isn't happening anytime soon....  (IMO)

And if he walked to the station and back from the station ... or cycled as they want us to believe... What time would he arrive home????

[nina]

That's exactly what I'm asking what time would VT have got home?

I've always remembered him as riding his bike to Temple Meads, didn't Chris Jefferies say this in the Countdown to Murder thingy?

[nina]

Mind you the weather at that time didn't lend itself to cycling anywhere.

[mrswah]

As far as we know from the media, and from what VT said in court, he did cycle to the station and back every day. I think he got home around 7-7.15. Apparently, by the time he got home, Tanja had already left for her works party.

Tanja worked in Malmesbury, and she used the car for work. There is no reason to think Vincent didn't cycle on that day-----it is too far to walk to Bristol Temple Meads from Canynge Road. In Holland, people cycle a lot, and I expect he was well used to it, even in bad weather.

As far as I recall, he spent some time on his computer before going out to ASDA, also he went out to take some photographs of the snow to send to a friend back in Holland, but the snow was "too dirty". He also spoke to CJ at some point, about mildew in his flat. Oh, and he had a pizza and a beer!

He made various calls and texts to Tanja during the evening, which I would imagine were scrutinized by the police.

He visited ASDA, but we do not know at exactly what time, as the CCTV did not show any time stamps.

He apparently picked Tanja up at about 1.38am. They were seen on CCTV buying burgers after that-----I think I can recall seeing that CCTV, but it seems to have disappeared from public view now.

The prosecution's case was that he spent part of the evening killing Jo and dumping her body, and his evidence in court says that he did this-----if one can believe him, and most people seem to.

Frankly, I would have thought it more likely that he spent part of the evening sleeping------he had returned from California a few days before, and had gone straight back to work afterwards. He must have been jetlagged!!!

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As far as we know from the media, and from what VT said in court, he did cycle to the station and back every day. I think he got home around 7-7.15. Apparently, by the time he got home, Tanja had already left for her works party.

Tanja worked in Malmesbury, and she used the car for work. There is no reason to think Vincent didn't cycle on that day-----it is too far to walk to Bristol Temple Meads from Canynge Road. In Holland, people cycle a lot, and I expect he was well used to it, even in bad weather.

As far as I recall, he spent some time on his computer before going out to ASDA, also he went out to take some photographs of the snow to send to a friend back in Holland, but the snow was "too dirty". He also spoke to CJ at some point, about mildew in his flat. Oh, and he had a pizza and a beer!

He made various calls and texts to Tanja during the evening, which I would imagine were scrutinized by the police.

He visited ASDA, but we do not know at exactly what time, as the CCTV did not show any time stamps.

He apparently picked Tanja up at about 1.38am. They were seen on CCTV buying burgers after that-----I think I can recall seeing that CCTV, but it seems to have disappeared from public view now.

The prosecution's case was that he spent part of the evening killing Jo and dumping her body, and his evidence in court says that he did this-----if one can believe him, and most people seem to.

Frankly, I would have thought it more likely that he spent part of the evening sleeping------he had returned from California a few days before, and had gone straight back to work afterwards. He must have been jetlagged!!!

Did Tanja use 'HER" Car for work.... I think I remember she car shared !!!

[nina]

Thanks mrswah, will go through it all soon.

A friend has just been and gone, he says that if you go through the front doors of Temple Meads station turn left, there is a shed where people can chain their bikes up for the day and its been like that for as long as he can remember, definitely before 2010. So that answers the question of where he could have left his bike.

[nina]

I do vaguely remember something about Tanja car sharing, but will have to trawl internet to see if there is anything about it. Bet Nine knows!

Mrswah Holland is flat and Bristol is full of hills, many of them. If I was VT on that day I think I would have walked, because you can walk as the crow flies, in a straight line. Can't really do that with a bike. Still the main streets he would have gone by would have been clear of ice so he could have cycled I suppose.

But we don't know what time he reached home do we? Do any of his workmates say what time he left work, because once on the train it takes 11 minutes to get to Temple Meads.

[mrswah]

I do vaguely remember something about Tanja car sharing, but will have to trawl internet to see if there is anything about it. Bet Nine knows!

Mrswah Holland is flat and Bristol is full of hills, many of them. If I was VT on that day I think I would have walked, because you can walk as the crow flies, in a straight line. Can't really do that with a bike. Still the main streets he would have gone by would have been clear of ice so he could have cycled I suppose.

But we don't know what time he reached home do we? Do any of his workmates say what time he left work, because once on the train it takes 11 minutes to get to Temple Meads.

According to Sally Ramage's account, VT arrived home at about 7pm, and was at Constitution Hill at 6.54pm.  Whether or not he was seen on CCTV there, I have no idea. 

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According to Sally Ramage's account, VT arrived home at about 7pm, and was at Constitution Hill at 6.54pm.  Whether or not he was seen on CCTV there, I have no idea.

Would it take 15 mins to walk???

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I'm just reading an article about Dr Vincent Tabak with regards The Child Porn charges....

Now I believe they  persisted with this charge for one simple reason and one simple reason only...

It took them years to take him to court for this charge... which in itself should raise eyebrows.... The amount of supposed images had been 30... It was 30 for years until suddenly when they get him to court it changes to 145 images... Why has no-one questioned this ???

With all the other irregularities that appear to have taken place in this case... why has this not been challenged also??

Anyway.... Someone replied to this article on a Law Blog...  And indicated that the extra charge laid against Dr Vincent Tabak would affect his parole hearing and license... So maybe it was more to do with them trying to make sure that Dr Vincent Tabak doesn't get released other than anything else in relation to this case...

The minimum tariff Dr Vincent Tabak received was 20 years because of the "Sexual Element" that wasn't proven... coupled with this charge...someone has gone to great lengths (IMO)... to make sure that Dr Vincent Tabak doesn't get out of prison.... To go back home to his native Holland... and maybe then... be able to tell the true side of the story and what was done to him at the hands of the British Judicial System...

Many of them will have retired by then...