Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?

[Brietta]

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[John]

My understanding is that they are still pursuing a line of enquiry and that was the basis for more money being granted to the investigation.  Every action Op Grange has taken to date supports the contention that “a criminal act by a stranger” is the basis of the investigation.

Then again they could be completely wrong.

[John]

I don't understand why the McCanns and supporters refuse to consider any possibility if it involves the death of Madeleine. More confusingly, Kate and Gerry did consider this a possibility when the invited Krugel and his machine to look for their daughter 

  In 2014 Scotland Yard was quoted on the ongoing digs in Praia Da Luz ;

  'Scotland Yard said there was still a "substantial amount of work yet to be completed" in its investigation, and that "more activity" was expected to begin shortly.
"This recent work is part of ensuring that all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner and covers just the one hypothesis that she was killed and buried locally," it said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/11/world/europe/portugal-uk-mccann/index.html


 So Scotland yard were at one point looking for a body, which means they have considered a death has occurred and it features in at least one of their theories.  Where are the criticisms or legal cases directed toward SY by the McCanns as they did with Amaral,  saying his theory 'harmed the search'?
  SY seem to have been looking at all possibilities in order to progress the investigation, it is therefore not correct to see a murder hypothesis as 'giving up' or harming the search, they are doing what the police should do.

   Bernard Hogan Howe also referred to the case as a 'murder' in October 2014 ( Radio 5 live) . I don't see how this can be coincidence along with SY saying they were searching for a body also in 2014. I would argue SY are simply doing their job, looking for a dead child is not 'giving up' on anyone, if it leads to the truth and progresses an investigation.

   How SY thought Madeleine could have been taken from 5a and ended up dead on scrubland on that night between the parents frequent checks remains unknown -  but it is a fact that they have considered that possibility. Perhaps burglars featured in that theory?  It would be one theory were the dog alerts would likely be considered of some value instead of disregarded entirely. It's odd IMO that some people are desperate to shut down any theory or evidence of a death, even though Scotland Yard have considered it.

That would certainly seem logical given that SY have not once offered a reward for the safe return of the missing child.  Surely the parents of any missing child who truly believe him/her to be alive eleven years on should as a matter of some priority be offering a substantial reward for any information which might see them rescued?  After all, they have nothing to lose but everything to gain.

[misty]

That would certainly seem logical given that SY have not once offered a reward for the safe return of the missing child.  Surely the parents of any missing child who truly believe him/her to be alive eleven years on should as a matter of some priority be offering a substantial reward for any information which might see them rescued?  After all, they have nothing to lose but everything to gain.

How are SY supposed to appeal to the people of Portugal, the country in which the crime took place, and then follow up on information received which falls outside their jurisdiction?

[John]

How are SY supposed to appeal to the people of Portugal, the country in which the crime took place, and then follow up on information received which falls outside their jurisdiction?

Protocol dictates that official enquiries in Portugal are channelled through the Portuguese police.  However, there are many ways of getting around this as Jenny Murat very publicly achieved in 2007. She was well aware of the very issue you raise.

[misty]

Protocol dictates that official enquiries in Portugal are channelled through the Portuguese police.  However, there are many ways of getting around this as Jenny Murat very publicly achieved in 2007. She was very aware of the very issue you raise.

Jenny Murat was not working outside Portugal or offering monetary reward in exchange for information (afaik). She was not acting for either the police or the victim's family.
What was the attitude of the Portuguese police, via the media, when the Met had seemingly uncovered information which warranted the re-questioning of the 3 burglars?
 If a person came forward with information suggesting someone who had already been cleared by the PJ knew what had happened to Madeleine, how would the PJ treat that information? The information may be genuine & justify receipt of reward but if the PJ refuse to follow up the matter then what good would any offer be by the Met?

[John]

Jenny Murat was not working outside Portugal or offering monetary reward in exchange for information (afaik). She was not acting for either the police or the victim's family.
What was the attitude of the Portuguese police, via the media, when the Met had seemingly uncovered information which warranted the re-questioning of the 3 burglars?
 If a person came forward with information suggesting someone who had already been cleared by the PJ knew what had happened to Madeleine, how would the PJ treat that information? The information may be genuine & justify receipt of reward but if the PJ refuse to follow up the matter then what good would any offer be by the Met?

Why on earth would the PJ not wish to follow up on crucial information?

[misty]

Why on earth would the PJ not wish to follow up on crucial information?

Did they follow up on Dr. Totman? Did they follow up with the other people who came forward to say they'd seen Murat at OC on 3/5/07 evening?
There may be crucial information sitting in files which only the PJ have access to. Maybe there are avenues which they, too, are reluctant or forbidden to pursue.

[G-Unit]

Did they follow up on Dr. Totman? Did they follow up with the other people who came forward to say they'd seen Murat at OC on 3/5/07 evening?
There may be crucial information sitting in files which only the PJ have access to. Maybe there are avenues which they, too, are reluctant or forbidden to pursue.

Dr Totman never spike to the PJ, so how could they 'follow up' on him? Which other people saw Murat? Did they speak to the PJ? A few people have said they did, but there's no evidence to support their assertions.

[Robittybob1]

Dr Totman never spike to the PJ, so how could they 'follow up' on him? Which other people saw Murat? Did they speak to the PJ? A few people have said they did, but there's no evidence to support their assertions.

do you know the names of the people you imply.

[G-Unit]

do you know the names of the people you imply.

I can only think of the Wiltshire/Jensen story.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sisters-saw-murat-at-mccann-flat-531256

[Venturi Swirl]

Dr Totman never spike to the PJ, so how could they 'follow up' on him? Which other people saw Murat? Did they speak to the PJ? A few people have said they did, but there's no evidence to support their assertions.

He spoke to the GNR who did nothing, if my memory serves me correctly...?

[Venturi Swirl]

I can only think of the Wiltshire/Jensen story.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sisters-saw-murat-at-mccann-flat-531256

Interesting that these women were 100% sure they saw Murat but have been largely ignored by police and online commentators as Murat had an alibi (his mother), whereas so many still have such great faith in Smith’s 60-80% sure he saw Gerry, despite the fact that he too had numerous alibis.  Why do you suppose that is?

[G-Unit]

He spoke to the GNR who did nothing, if my memory serves me correctly...?

Allegedly.

[Venturi Swirl]

Allegedly.

Which bit, allegedly?