Eleven years on, has Maddie been given up for dead?

[Angelo222]

So it’s a fact she couldn’t have been abducted from  the apartment now is it?

A distinct possibility based on hard evidence.

[Mr Gray]

A distinct possibility based on hard evidence.

Now it's a mere possibility not a fact....how things change

[Miss Taken Identity]

Yet secrecy is supposedly paramount in the workings of the Portuguese Justice system.

That would be an operational secrecy... quite different.

[misty]

That would be an operational secrecy... quite different.

It's hardly operational when the secrecy extends to witnesses who are forbidden to speak about the case.

[Miss Taken Identity]

So it’s a fact she couldn’t have been abducted from  the apartment now is it?

Well yes, according the the investigating police force in Portugal. No evidence she was abducted from the apartment. None, not a spot...

[Miss Taken Identity]

It's hardly operational when the secrecy extends to witnesses who are forbidden to speak about the case.

Can you explain who you are referring to Misty I don't follow?

[Venturi Swirl]

Well yes, according the the investigating police force in Portugal. No evidence she was abducted from the apartment. None, not a spot...

So no evidence of something = proof it didn’t happen,  is that your view?

[misty]

Can you explain who you are referring to Misty I don't follow?

I was referring to all the people who made statements to the PJ & were subsequently bound by judicial secrecy.

[Alice Purjorick]

So no evidence of something = proof it didn’t happen,  is that your view?

That seems to be a variation on "If you can't give an example of where it happened before then it can't happen".
Hey ho says Rowley,

[Miss Taken Identity]

So no evidence of something = proof it didn’t happen,  is that your view?

I thought you said you were not going to engage with me because of my attitude towards the McCanns?

I have no view on their conclusion, I have no evidence of an abduction from the apartment. I was   reminding readers that the investigation by a police force were adamant that there was no abduction from the apartment as is claimed by the parents. You don't like it phone them email them and tell them so... OR provide evidence of an abduction and [ cos Kate ses   is not evidence]

[Mr Gray]

That seems to be a variation on "If you can't give an example of where it happened before then it can't happen".
Hey ho says Rowley,

and of course quite the opposite to...the fact that there is no evidence agaist the mccanns is not evidence of their innocence

[Miss Taken Identity]

I was referring to all the people who made statements to the PJ & were subsequently bound by judicial secrecy.

Thank you Misty.

 What police force/service do you know of who let witnesses chat about a case which is a live investigation.  As an example If I said I witnessed a man breaking a window and pointed him out in a line up and then go and tell everyone what chance does he have to a fair trial? and what If I picked out the wrong person? it could cause problems. Jurors are sworn to secrecy and for a good reason.

[Mr Gray]

Thank you Misty.

 What police force/service do you know of who let witnesses chat about a case which is a live investigation.  As an example If I said I witnessed a man breaking a window and pointed him out in a line up and then go and tell everyone what chance does he have to a fair trial? and what If I picked out the wrong person? it could cause problems. Jurors are sworn to secrecy and for a good reason.

Thats exactly why someone got arrested recently

[Venturi Swirl]

That seems to be a variation on "If you can't give an example of where it happened before then it can't happen".
Hey ho says Rowley,

No one has ever said that. 

[Alice Purjorick]

No one has ever said that.

I am content that is cleared up.
Perhaps your acknowledgement will now put a stop to the dreadful pox of "show us where it has happened before ...you cannot" as it is meaningless forming no sensible part of debate.