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Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1155 on: July 12, 2015, 02:16:21 PM »
Such as?

Have you found anything in the statutes at the time that - as witnesses - they could legally have been compelled to go?

Common to both the UK and Portugal, witnesses in any criminal investigation are required to assist police with their enquiries.  Failure to do so can be adjudged as obstruction and can be prosecuted.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1156 on: July 12, 2015, 02:18:18 PM »
The fact is that the pj had little experience in gathering evidence and investigating a crime...they relied on the suspect confessing...under torture or the threat of torture

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1157 on: July 12, 2015, 02:19:52 PM »
Common to both the UK and Portugal, witnesses in any criminal investigation are required to assist police with their enquiries.  Failure to do so can be adjudged as obstruction and can be prosecuted.

I think you will find that the PJ had no power to compel the tapas to return...

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1158 on: July 12, 2015, 02:26:55 PM »
The fact is that the pj had little experience in gathering evidence and investigating a crime...they relied on the suspect confessing...under torture or the threat of torture

The mccanns were never threatened with torture or had the threat of it.

Just another myth.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1159 on: July 12, 2015, 02:29:14 PM »
The mccanns were never threatened with torture or had the threat of it.

Just another myth.

never said they were...that's why the pj couldn't solve the crime

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1160 on: July 12, 2015, 02:33:07 PM »
never said they were...that's why the pj couldn't solve the crime

The PJ could not solve the crime due to lack of evidence, and absolutely none for abduction.

stephen25000

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1161 on: July 12, 2015, 02:34:10 PM »
absolute rubbish john...the uk police told the pj to investigate the parents...remember...which they did and the archiving report made it clear what the pj found...sweet fa

A lack of evidence does not mean a crime wasn't committed.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1162 on: July 12, 2015, 02:47:51 PM »
The fact of the assaults on British children has been the subject of derision and denial among sceptics since Dr McCann referred to being told about it by the ambassador at the time ... with your cyclopaedic knowledge of the case, surprised you were ignorant of that.

I still haven't quite worked out why this outrage for the search for a missing child.

I can't work out why there's so much outrage because the McCanns haven't manage to convince some people of their innocence. Anyone would think people knew them. The 'doctor' title you insist on using doesn't impress, by the way. They're just people like everyone else, whatever their profession.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1163 on: July 12, 2015, 03:00:30 PM »
I can't work out why there's so much outrage because the McCanns haven't manage to convince some people of their innocence. Anyone would think people knew them. The 'doctor' title you insist on using doesn't impress, by the way. They're just people like everyone else, whatever their profession.
I think you'll find that the outrage is less to do with the fact that some people disbelieve the McCanns are more to do with the organised pressure group's campaign to spread suspicion about the parents of a missing child, based on myths and lies and "gut-feel" worthless observations.

Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1164 on: July 12, 2015, 03:00:37 PM »
I think you will find that the PJ had no power to compel the tapas to return...

No, but a Portuguese magistrate did have such power to request it and would have done so had there not been the political interference there was between governments.  Amarals forced removal from the case sent shockwaves through the PJ and led to the belief that justice was negotiable.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2015, 04:57:51 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1165 on: July 12, 2015, 03:46:49 PM »
No, but a Portuguese magistrate did have such power to request it and would have done so had there not been the political interference there was between governments.  Amarals forced removal from the case sent shockwaves through the PJ and led to the belief that justice was negotiable.

You are dreaming......they did request it but they have no power to enforce it...that would require extradition or a EAW which are only available for suspects in serious crimes...NOT witnesses

Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1166 on: July 12, 2015, 03:55:21 PM »
You are dreaming......they did request it but they have no power to enforce it...that would require extradition or a EAW which are only available for suspects in serious crimes...NOT witnesses

Doesn't a refusal to cooperate with police in a criminal investigation constitute a crime anyway? 

The question should be asked as to why the tapas crew felt so scared to return to Praia da Luz and contribute to the reconstitution as the police required?
« Last Edit: July 12, 2015, 03:59:46 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline pegasus

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1167 on: July 12, 2015, 04:04:53 PM »
The fact is that the pj had little experience in gathering evidence and investigating a crime...they relied on the suspect confessing...under torture or the threat of torture
The GBP see easily through attempts to make them think an entire police force is incompetent and corrupt.
The PJ were genuinely trying to solve the case and decided a reconstitution would help.


Offline John

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1168 on: July 12, 2015, 04:18:32 PM »
The GBP see easily through attempts to make them think an entire police force is incompetent and corrupt.
The PJ were genuinely trying to solve the case and decided a reconstitution would help.

As was normal practise in Portugal. Madeleine should have been the priority here but for whatever reason this was lost in translation.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.
« Reply #1169 on: July 12, 2015, 04:46:25 PM »
Doesn't a refusal to cooperate with police in a criminal investigation constitute a crime anyway? 

The question should be asked as to why the tapas crew felt so scared to return to Praia da Luz and contribute to the reconstitution as the police required?

no it doesn't...it's one of the basic rules of justice...the right to silence... We've gone over the refusal before..if you look at the behaviour of the PJ in lying to the mccanns...not being able to understand the evidence ..conduct in the cipriano case....no one in their right minds would have returned