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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« on: July 09, 2019, 01:51:44 AM »
Here's another interesting fact about the McCann case. In GM's statement (September 2007) there are a list of drugs that were brought with them on holiday.

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When they traveled on holiday to Portugal they brought several medicines, namely Calpol, Nurofen, for fevers and pains, both for adults and children, Losec for gastric problems that he occasionally suffers from, and an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever. He did not give any of these medicines or any others to the children while on holiday in Portugal.

I had often speculated that that the anti-histamine phenergan may have been the cause of the twins deep sleep, and Phenergan would have been useful if you didn't want a child crying for hours when you're having an evening meal out with friends. Phenergan is so well known for it's sedative side effects that it is also recommended by some pharmacists as a sleep aid. I was wrong that it was a POM. It can be purchased at a chemist - though not on open display. You have to speak to the pharmacist. Well all this was my own speculation. When I first saw Terfenadine I presumed it was a Portuguese name for Phenergan. However it's actually from a group of drugs called non sedating antihistamines. Seems like I was barking at the wrong cupboard door! But as I read a little further:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/hay-fever-drug-taken-off-sale-1269259.html

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Chemists were clearing their shelves of hay-fever remedies containing the drug terfenadine yesterday following a warning over its safety from the Government's Committee on Safety of Medicines.

The move comes after increasing concern about the drug's effect on the heart in some patients. Twenty people have died while taking terfenadine products, 14 of them from heart-related problems, since it was first marketed in 1982.

That was in April 1997... by September the following was being reported as Terfenadine was made a POM:

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After consultation with the pharmaceutical industry, professional bodiesand consumer groups, the UK Ministry of Health has given prescription-only status to terfenadine, the antihistamine product sold in the UK as Triludan.

The decision follows evidence that terfenadine, when used concomitantly with some other drugs, can cause serious heart rhythm disorders which have been linked to 15 deaths since the product was launched in 1982 (Marketletters passim). The UK move to restrict the product may be followed in the rest of Europe, where its position is under review after decisions earlier this year by France, Luxembourg and Greece to suspend its marketing license.

I would certainly like to know which member of the family had a prescription for Terfenadine 10 years later. I'm sure we'll never find out though. Another mystery to add to the rest, no doubt - and all IMO, of course.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 02:42:30 AM »
Good questions there Billy. 
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2019, 07:27:39 AM »
Gerry had the Terfenadine did he not?  You know, the heart specialist guy?  Does it not say that in the bit you quoted?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2019, 07:29:03 AM »
Here's another interesting fact about the McCann case. In GM's statement (September 2007) there are a list of drugs that were brought with them on holiday.

I had often speculated that that the anti-histamine phenergan may have been the cause of the twins deep sleep, and Phenergan would have been useful if you didn't want a child crying for hours when you're having an evening meal out with friends. Phenergan is so well known for it's sedative side effects that it is also recommended by some pharmacists as a sleep aid. I was wrong that it was a POM. It can be purchased at a chemist - though not on open display. You have to speak to the pharmacist. Well all this was my own speculation. When I first saw Terfenadine I presumed it was a Portuguese name for Phenergan. However it's actually from a group of drugs called non sedating antihistamines. Seems like I was barking at the wrong cupboard door! But as I read a little further:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/hay-fever-drug-taken-off-sale-1269259.html

That was in April 1997... by September the following was being reported as Terfenadine was made a POM:

I would certainly like to know which member of the family had a prescription for Terfenadine 10 years later. I'm sure we'll never find out though. Another mystery to add to the rest, no doubt - and all IMO, of course.

Did GM state Terfenadine was to counteract the symptoms of hay fever or is that an assumption on your part?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 07:34:21 AM »
Gerry had the Terfenadine did he not?  You know, the heart specialist guy?  Does it not say that in the bit you quoted?

Where does GM quote the medicines used?  Is it his wit stat?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 07:36:45 AM »
Where does GM quote the medicines used?  Is it his wit stat?
See opening post.  Billy hasn’t provided the source of the quote.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 07:43:33 AM »
Gerry had the Terfenadine did he not?  You know, the heart specialist guy?  Does it not say that in the bit you quoted?

It’s only specific that the Losec was his. I’m sure the Calpol wasn’t. Why would a cardiologist take a hay fever medication that was cleared off the shelves 10 years previously due to its cardio toxicity?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 07:44:13 AM »
It’s only specific that the Losec was his. I’m sure the Calpol wasn’t. Why would a cardiologist take a hay fever medication that was cleared off the shelves 10 years previously due to its cardio toxicity?
To feed to his kids obviously!!
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2019, 07:58:42 AM »
It’s only specific that the Losec was his. I’m sure the Calpol wasn’t. Why would a cardiologist take a hay fever medication that was cleared off the shelves 10 years previously due to its cardio toxicity?

i made this post some time ago......i doubt gerry had terfenadine with him.....could be another error in translation

I don't think Gerry had this drug....  it makes no sense...perhaps the statement was taken incorrectly.

if you google fibre dos fenos...hay fever in Portuguese.....and look at Portuguese wikipaedia  terfenadina is the first drug that comes up as a treatment for hay fever...

terfenadine is the generic name so it may be that this is term used for hayfever medicines...like calling all pens biro's

Offline Eleanor

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2019, 08:01:37 AM »

They must have given up on Calpol Night then, especially as it wasn't even on the market at the time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2019, 08:03:03 AM »
A medicação mais vezes utilizada nos casos leves a moderados são os anti-histamínicos orais que bloqueiam o receptor H1 da histamina, um dos principais mediadores responsável pelos sintomas. Alguns destes medicamentos são a terfenadina, astemizole, loratadina e fexofenadina.[22]

so why is the current portugues wiki page suggesting terfenadina as  atreatment for hay fever when the drug was phased out some 10 years ago

« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 08:10:57 AM by Davel »

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2019, 08:22:36 AM »
Davel cracks it once again, good logical deductions IMO.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2019, 08:29:59 AM »
It’s only specific that the Losec was his. I’m sure the Calpol wasn’t. Why would a cardiologist take a hay fever medication that was cleared off the shelves 10 years previously due to its cardio toxicity?

Can you provide the source of all this info please.

How do you know who used the Terfenadina and its purpose?  It was marketed in UK as Triludan in UK.  The McCanns did at one time reside in Holland. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2019, 08:30:27 AM »
Davel cracks it once again, good logical deductions IMO.

‘an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever.’

Nope.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Terfenadine for hayfever in 2007?
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2019, 08:36:27 AM »
‘an anti-histamine called Terfenadine for hay fever.’

Nope.
What’s your problem?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly