Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs

[Holly Goodhead]

PDF version http://pawsoflife.org/Library/HRD/Oesterhelweg%201998.pdf

Thanks.

[slartibartfast]

Oh Davel we finally agree on something!

Note: “The dog has also been trained to identify cadaver scent contamination where there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles”

[Robittybob1]

I've only read the extract which imo isn't abstract 

Can you link me to the extract please?

There is a link above.

OK my memory wasn't perfect OK  "Brand new carpet squares 20 cm  20 cm were purchased and used as the
medium for the odor transport. Before the initiation of this investigation, the
carpet squares were stored in airtight containers outside the boundaries of the
Institute of Legal Medicine.
The two bodies were placed in a supine position on top of a new and clean
table and a separate table was used for each individual. A cotton blanket was
wrapped around each body to preclude the direct contamination of the carpet
squares with the bodies while at the same time simulating a thin layer of
clothing covering each individual."


So at some stage they are taken out of the airtight containers but a cotton blanket is the separation between the cadaver and the carpet square.

"Abstract" is the right word to use for an enticement to purchase the main article.

[slartibartfast]

Transference of Cadaver odour could provide an answer to the thorny problem of post Mortem timing.

[Mr Gray]

Note: “The dog has also been trained to identify cadaver scent contamination where there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles”

i agree...the idea that the scent would deposit on hard surfaces in sufficient amount to last several years seems unlikely...and of course there have been no tests to see how long it would last on carpet squares

[Holly Goodhead]

There is a link above.

OK my memory wasn't perfect OK  "Brand new carpet squares 20 cm  20 cm were purchased and used as the
medium for the odor transport. Before the initiation of this investigation, the
carpet squares were stored in airtight containers outside the boundaries of the
Institute of Legal Medicine.
The two bodies were placed in a supine position on top of a new and clean
table and a separate table was used for each individual. A cotton blanket was
wrapped around each body to preclude the direct contamination of the carpet
squares with the bodies while at the same time simulating a thin layer of
clothing covering each individual."


So at some stage they are taken out of the airtight containers but a cotton blanket is the separation between the cadaver and the carpet square.

"Abstract" is the right word to use for an enticement to purchase the main article.

I was just being facetious 

So the bottom line is inanimate objects can become contaminated with the odour without direct contact with a corpse.  Said items can then be moved to a completely different environment and still emit the odour. 

[slartibartfast]

I was just being facetious 

So the bottom line is inanimate objects can become contaminated with the odour without direct contact with a corpse.  Said items can then be moved to a completely different environment and still emit the odour.

Pervious objects.

[Mr Gray]

Pervious objects.

is a car key pervious

[Holly Goodhead]

Pervious objects.

In the Shannon Matthews case the contamination involved second-hand furniture which I've no idea whether pervious or not.

[Holly Goodhead]

i agree...the idea that the scent would deposit on hard surfaces in sufficient amount to last several years seems unlikely...and of course there have been no tests to see how long it would last on carpet squares

What did the second-hand furniture amount to in the case of Shannon Matthews?

The article re the carpet samples is based on tests over 65 days.

[Mr Gray]

In the Shannon Matthews case the contamination involved second-hand furniture which I've no idea whether pervious or not.

I dont think it wa sever confirmed the alerts were to the furniture

[Mr Gray]

What did the second-hand furniture amount to in the case of Shannon Matthews?

The article re the carpet samples is based on tests over 65 days.

how were the tiles stored over 65 days

[Holly Goodhead]

I dont think it wa sever confirmed the alerts were to the furniture

The properties the dogs searched contained a high level of second hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture.

[Holly Goodhead]

how were the tiles stored over 65 days

Please refer to the full article provided by Robbitybob1.

[Mr Gray]

The properties the dogs searched contained a high level of second hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture.

so furter investiagtion was required...what rules out a false alert...a la coconut