Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs

[Eleanor]

VRD dogs role is to look for remains. Looking at Grime's white paper in 2005 it looks like he decided to change the rules and make the alerts significant.

Perhaps one should be thankful that he bogged off to America.  The Americans will believe anything if it suits them.

[Holly Goodhead]

VRD dogs role is to look for remains. Looking at Grime's white paper in 2005 it looks like he decided to change the rules and make the alerts significant.

It is totally unacceptable in the 21st century that a dog handler is in a position to voice opinions without the support of say an analytical chemist/ forensic scientist. 

[jassi]

It is totally unacceptable in the 21st century that a dog handler is in a position to voice opinions without the support of say an analytical chemist/ forensic scientist.

Why?  You voice an opinion, why shouldn't he?

[barrier]

It is totally unacceptable in the 21st century that a dog handler is in a position to voice opinions without the support of say an analytical chemist/ forensic scientist.

The officer in charge of the Needham case voiced his opinion that Ben died in an accident,this is with out any support from any analytical chemist/forensics.Should he have kept quiet.
As an aside there are many sides to analytical chemistry my daughter is a Doctor in such.

[Holly Goodhead]

Why?  You voice an opinion, why shouldn't he?

Big difference is that my opinions on here mean squat;  I have zero influence unlike Grime who altered the course of the investigation.

[Holly Goodhead]

The officer in charge of the Needham case voiced his opinion that Ben died in an accident,this is with out any support from any analytical chemist/forensics.Should he have kept quiet.
As an aside there are many sides to analytical chemistry my daughter is a Doctor in such.

As you said he was an officer and his opinion was just that.  Grime was called in as an 'expert' and altered the course of the investigation. 

Yes there are many sides to analytical chemistry but it requires this level of expertise to put the dog alerts into context. 

[barrier]

Big difference is that my opinions on here mean squat;  I have zero influence unlike Grime who altered the course of the investigation.

Many years on,its still not been established what happened so was his "influence" misguided?

[barrier]

As you said he was an officer and his opinion was just that.  Grime was called in as an 'expert' and altered the course of the investigation. 

Yes there are many sides to analytical chemistry but it requires this level of expertise to put the dog alerts into context.

Which is why Grime said did he not that the alerts would need corroborating.

[Holly Goodhead]

Many years on,its still not been established what happened so was his "influence" misguided?

Yes in that the tabloids overplayed the meaning. 

[barrier]

As you said he was an officer and his opinion was just that.  Grime was called in as an 'expert' and altered the course of the investigation. 

Yes there are many sides to analytical chemistry but it requires this level of expertise to put the dog alerts into context.

The officer in charge obviously altered the course of the Needham search,its no longer ongoing,so opinions count for a lot in police roles.

[barrier]

Yes in that the tabloids overplayed the meaning.

We are at one on the tabloids.

[Holly Goodhead]

Which is why Grime said did he not that the alerts would need corroborating.

His reports are ambiguous and open to interpretation.  They are not written to the standard expected of a properly qualified and accredited forensic scientist.  The dog alerts are akin to the witches dunking stool!  And no doubt some here would like to see me on one 

[barrier]

His reports are ambiguous and open to interpretation.  They are not written to the standard expected of a properly qualified and accredited forensic scientist. The dog alerts are akin to the witches dunking stool!  And no doubt some here would like to see me on one 

I don't think so,you debate without any hint of I know best.

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't think so,you debate without any hint of I know best.

Well thank you barrier. 

[barrier]

His reports are ambiguous and open to interpretation.  They are not written to the standard expected of a properly qualified and accredited forensic scientist.  The dog alerts are akin to the witches dunking stool!  And no doubt some here would like to see me on one 

Does he profess to being one.