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Offline Anna

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2013, 05:50:07 PM »
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Offline Anna

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2013, 06:06:49 PM »
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Offline Anna

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2013, 06:15:18 PM »
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Offline Anna

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2013, 06:33:59 PM »
The European Court is going to have a fit when they consider this dreadful Miscarriage of Justice.  And only one Portuguese Judge is going to come out of this with any honour.

Does anyone know his name?  The Judge who voted that Leonor Cipriano is innocent.

Is this the one.....Santos Carvalho, one of four members of the Supreme Court of Justice called to decide on the future of Leonor and John Cyprian, convicted in the first instance by the death of joana, wanted to absolve the girl's mother of the crime of murder.
This judge is convinced that "there was no direct evidence, circumstantial only, even with regard to the victim dying"
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Eleanor

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2013, 06:38:12 PM »
Is this the one.....Santos Carvalho, one of four members of the Supreme Court of Justice called to decide on the future of Leonor and John Cyprian, convicted in the first instance by the death of joana, wanted to absolve the girl's mother of the crime of murder.
This judge is convinced that "there was no direct evidence, circumstantial only, even with regard to the victim dying"

Thank you.  No where near enough attention is paid to him and his opinion.

Offline John

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2013, 12:23:08 AM »
Thank you.  No where near enough attention is paid to him and his opinion.

Only an opinion, fortunately the other three supremo judges came to the opposite opinion and rightly so. Leonor is a murderer by her own free admission.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline colombosstogey

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2013, 06:15:16 AM »
Is this the one.....Santos Carvalho, one of four members of the Supreme Court of Justice called to decide on the future of Leonor and John Cyprian, convicted in the first instance by the death of joana, wanted to absolve the girl's mother of the crime of murder.
This judge is convinced that "there was no direct evidence, circumstantial only, even with regard to the victim dying"

You always try to protect the person you love. HE HAD NOTHING to lose by saying that he was already convicted. He wanted to try and SAVE the women he loved.....simple.

Offline Eleanor

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2013, 09:51:09 AM »
Only an opinion, fortunately the other three supremo judges came to the opposite opinion and rightly so. Leonor is a murderer by her own free admission.

So no Evidence, only Opinions.  And not even unanimous.

And what's free about admission under torture?

Offline Anna

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2013, 10:04:12 AM »

You always try to protect the person you love. HE HAD NOTHING to lose by saying that he was already convicted. He wanted to try and SAVE the women he loved.....simple.

Sorry if I have misread your post but, Who wanted to protect the women he loved?
 It was the Judge who had the final vote on the reduction  of the sentence after the jury came out equal. It was he who made  the statement that Leonor should be Acquitted.
John has always blamed others....His sisters friend for persuading him to shoot someone(in a previous crime).
His Brother for taking and hiding the body of Joana
Leonor for killing her child
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2013, 10:20:24 AM »
So still an astonishing lack of any real evidence

Offline Eleanor

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2013, 10:25:08 AM »
So still an astonishing lack of any real evidence

It was a stitch up.  Plain and simple to see.  And only one person had the nerve to say so.

Offline Carana

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2013, 10:42:32 AM »
Only an opinion, fortunately the other three supremo judges came to the opposite opinion and rightly so. Leonor is a murderer by her own free admission.

That might depend on what you mean by "free admission"...


Offline Anna

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2013, 11:21:40 AM »
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Offline Anna

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2013, 11:36:37 AM »
Ill treatment of child ?
13 oct 2005 DN


The issue of maltreatment joana, raised several times, was not proven by any witness. The psychologist of the Protection of Minors, Ana Sofia Paias, said to have detected "poverty", but not mistreatment.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: The trial of Leonor and Joćo Cipriano for the murder of Joana.
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2013, 11:38:27 AM »
Supporting the children?
13 oct 2005 DN

PAUL WARRIOR
The biological father of joana, the fifth witness to be heard, has ensured that he only knew that Leonor was a pregnant girl when "were already separated".  . When the baby had only five months, Leonor was handing her to him: "I Stayed with her two days".  Later, the woman returned to make another attempt to leave her daughter, to whose livelihood, admitted not contributed: "I was not to sustain the vices of Leonor. If you gave her money, she spent it in whimsy", he revealed.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato