Brexit has well and truly begun!

[G-Unit]

The Conservative Party has always been the party which business people prefer. If we believe what we are hearing they are very unhaopy with the way Brexit is going, despite the fact that it's the Conservatives in charge of it. Is this public disquiet aimed at the Conservative Party therefore? Perhaps it's aimed at the other MP's, the ones who are causing uncertainty by refusing to cooperate with the Government.

[Venturi Swirl]

The Conservative Party has always been the party which business people prefer. If we believe what we are hearing they are very unhaopy with the way Brexit is going, despite the fact that it's the Conservatives in charge of it. Is this public disquiet aimed at the Conservative Party therefore? Perhaps it's aimed at the other MP's, the ones who are causing uncertainty by refusing to cooperate with the Government.

I think many if not most business people are very unhappy with the idea of Brexit full stop.  They realise how potentially harmful it will be to their businesses, to their employees and therefore to the country and the union generally. 

[Venturi Swirl]

Many exporters need imported components (from cars to confectionary). Bureaucratic hassle costs time and money.

Until such time as FTAs can be agreed, many of which will be on worse terms than those that the UK already benefits from, tariffs will apply on exports.

And around 45% of our exports are to the EU which will be affected by tariffs that weren’t applied prior to March 29 2019.

[Venturi Swirl]

• Net migration could rise from 273,000 in the year to June to almost 400,000 under planned post-Brexit immigration policy, according to a report published today by Migration Watch UK. The figure would be four times the government target of a reduction to under 100,000. Almost four fifths of the migrants would come from outside the EU, with a doubling in the number of skilled workers after scrapping the cap and relaxing rules for employing them.

LOL.

They’ve changed their tune

“In January 2016, the group published a report claiming that the UK leaving the European Union could result in a reduction of annual net migration from 180,000 to around 65,000.[54] MigrationWatch stated that they would not take a position on the UK's EU membership referendum held in June 2016.”

LOLOLOL

[Carana]

And around 45% of our exports are to the EU which will be affected by tariffs that weren’t applied prior to March 29 2019.

Plus all the countries with which the UK (via the EU) already has arrangements. I have the list somewhere - will post if I can find the document. It's in the region of 40+.

[Carana]

Just as an example (as scatterbrain here can't find my list for the moment), a list of EU-US agreements already in place. Anyone who thinks renegotiating these as a single country over a cup of tea in 10 minutes might need to take a long nap. And multiply that by how many countries in the WTO? 164 or 163.

http://ec.europa.eu/world/agreements/searchByCountryAndContinent.do?countryId=6063&countryName=United%20States%20of%20America&countryFlag=treaties

[Carana]

Brexit: UK has rolled over just £16bn out of £117bn trade deals

Liam Fox has agreed deals with only seven of 69 countries covered by EU arrangements
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/13/brexit-uk-trade-deals-eu

"Arrangements" with 7/69.

[Venturi Swirl]

Brexit: UK has rolled over just £16bn out of £117bn trade deals

Liam Fox has agreed deals with only seven of 69 countries covered by EU arrangements
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/13/brexit-uk-trade-deals-eu

"Arrangements" with 7/69.

Have you seen the list of countries we now have trade deals with?  It's hilarious.
Switzerland is an important trading partner which we have secured a deal with but they account for 1.9% of our exports. 
The rest are

Chile
Mauritius
Madagascar
Zimbabwe
Faroe Islands
Seychelles.

LOL. 

[Carana]

Have you seen the list of countries we now have trade deals with?  It's hilarious.
Switzerland is an important trading partner which we have secured a deal with but they account for 1.9% of our exports. 
The rest are

Chile
Mauritius
Madagascar
Zimbabwe
Faroe Islands
Seychelles.

LOL.

Haven't  had time to check. The Swiss one has apparently been updated. I haven't read the summary of that one, but it seems to have been updated with a view to a no-deal (it was originally with a deal in mind).

Another one appears to have been done with a regional agreement of former UK colonies in Africa. That might be what is referred to as the Zimbabwe one. Haven't had time to check that either. No idea what that covers or not.


Sunny uplands, here we come...

[Angelo222]

I think many if not most business people are very unhappy with the idea of Brexit full stop.  They realise how potentially harmful it will be to their businesses, to their employees and therefore to the country and the union generally.

The fatal flaw in that argument is making the big assumption that all business people have trade dealings with the EU.  In fact very few businesses have any dealings directly with the EU, estimated recently at only 6%, and so are unaffected by international movements.  You will find that it is tho inse regions who border the EU or are closely linked to the EU via short sea crossings are shouting loudest because they fear BREXIT the most.

Only 44% of all UK exports is to the EU but 66% of imports come from the EU.  So it doesn't take a genius to work out whose economy would be damaged most if a deal of some sort isnt agreed.  All this scaremongering is pathetic, most people will never notice any difference in their lives after BREXIT.

[Venturi Swirl]

The fatal flaw in that argument is making the big assumption that all business people have trade dealings with the EU.  In fact very few businesses have any dealings directly with the EU, estimated recently at only 6%, and so are unaffected by international movements.  You will find that it is those regions who border the EU or are closely linked to the EU via short sea crossings are shouting loudest because they fear BREXIT the most.

Only 44% of all UK exports are to the EU but 66% of imports come from the EU.

There is no fatal flaw to my argument.  You don't have to have direct dealings with the EU to be impacted by trade deals or the lack of them, and the overall effect of a no-deal Brexit on the economy, investment, jobs, the strength of the pound, inflation, standard of living etc etc etc. 
Incidentally, Dover was vehemently Leave so I don't understand your last point at all.

[Venturi Swirl]

https://www.burges-salmon.com/brexit/key-impacts-upon-uk-based-business-in-no-deal-brexit/

[Angelo222]

Brexit: UK has rolled over just £16bn out of £117bn trade deals

Liam Fox has agreed deals with only seven of 69 countries covered by EU arrangements
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/13/brexit-uk-trade-deals-eu

"Arrangements" with 7/69.

Yes, those seven make up some 90% of the affected trade. The remaining countries account for a miniscule amount of trade.

[Venturi Swirl]

Yes, those seven make up some 90% of the affected trade. The remaining countries account for a miniscule amount of trade.

WHAT??

[Angelo222]

There is no fatal flaw to my argument.  You don't have to have direct dealings with the EU to be impacted by trade deals or the lack of them, and the overall effect of a no-deal Brexit on the economy, investment, jobs, the strength of the pound, inflation, standard of living etc etc etc. 
Incidentally, Dover was vehemently Leave so I don't understand your last point at all.

Most business in the UK is internal and will be impacted very little by leaving the EU. Lord Bamford's JCB machinery is exported all over the world and he is wholly behind BREXIT.