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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: G-Unit on June 22, 2019, 08:26:37 AM

Title: Access Cards
Post by: G-Unit on June 22, 2019, 08:26:37 AM
These cards have been mentioned a couple of times. so I thought I'd post the details.

The same is the case with an access card which allows for access to all the services of the OC. This card too, is treated as is the keys (above) and is handed out one per person. Mark Warner hands these cards to its clients.

These access cards are given to each client (including babies and children), and besides permitting access to services offered by the Ocean Club, is equally used for buying drinks and food.
Later, these charges are added to the respective apartment.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RITA_SILVA.htm

The charges accrued in this way can be seen on these print-outs. It's the last colomn ob the right. These charges would be paid on check-out. Ms Jensen had been splashing the cash, but she had been there since 21st

(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_616.jpg)


https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm

Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: G-Unit on June 22, 2019, 10:58:47 AM
The amounts the group owed for extras were;

The McCanns spent 242.00
The O'Briens spent 105.00
The Oldfields spent 21.00
The Paynes spent 117.50

I don't know how these extras were purchased or what they were. Were they from the cards?
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: faithlilly on June 22, 2019, 11:28:24 AM
The amounts the group owed for extras were;

The McCanns spent 242.00
The O'Briens spent 105.00
The Oldfields spent 21.00
The Paynes spent 117.50

I don't know how these extras were purchased or what they were. Were they from the cards?

We’re all the kids club sessions included or could the McCanns have paid for extra ?
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: G-Unit on June 22, 2019, 11:52:12 AM
We’re all the kids club sessions included or could the McCanns have paid for extra ?

I suspect that only one session per day was free (either morning or afternoon).
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 22, 2019, 12:21:48 PM
I suspect that only one session per day was free (either morning or afternoon).

It could also include the tennis lessons- the McCanns loved them especially Gerry. What about the oldfields did they play a lot? or get a lot of lessons?
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: G-Unit on June 22, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
It could also include the tennis lessons- the McCanns loved them especially Gerry. What about the oldfields did they play a lot? or get a lot of lessons?

We only have the bookings for Tues-Thurs. The Oldfields seemed to have a lesson each day.
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 22, 2019, 05:07:28 PM
McCanns had to pay for the secret hire car and the fridge freezer rental don’t forget.   8(0(*
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: misty on June 22, 2019, 09:51:54 PM
https://web.archive.org/web/20070415223338/http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/activity_holidays/tennis_holidays

Whether you’re a regular tennis player or simply enjoy the occasional game, our Tennis Centres cater for all levels of ability and interest. We offer a number of coaching programmes endorsed by the Lawn Tennis Association and managed by the specialist tennis company Service Line.

Tuition is available for complete beginners through to club and county level players, and coaching can be provided in a group of balanced ability or on a one-to-one level for players aged 4 years and upwards. All group coaching and Academy Courses can be pre-booked in the UK, and we would recommend that you book early as places are limited and very popular. For those who prefer private coaching, we offer single lessons or a package of three lessons all of which are bookable in resort.

In all resorts* we ensure there is court time available for those wanting free play. We also arrange evening tennis socials, and a not too serious weekly tournament. We can provide racquets and balls for tuition, social sessions and free play.

Group Coaching
Adults & Children (over 13 yrs)
4 x 1 hour lessons
Cost £50

Kids Group Coaching
4-12 years of age
4 x 1 hour lessons
Cost £40

Private Lessons
1-2 persons
1 x 45 minute lesson
Cost £25

Private Lesson Package
Maximum 2 persons
3 x 45 minute lessons
Cost £70


Strangely, the promo said the courts at OC were Astroturf but they were really hard courts.
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2019, 08:26:43 AM
https://web.archive.org/web/20070415223338/http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/activity_holidays/tennis_holidays

Whether you’re a regular tennis player or simply enjoy the occasional game, our Tennis Centres cater for all levels of ability and interest. We offer a number of coaching programmes endorsed by the Lawn Tennis Association and managed by the specialist tennis company Service Line.

Tuition is available for complete beginners through to club and county level players, and coaching can be provided in a group of balanced ability or on a one-to-one level for players aged 4 years and upwards. All group coaching and Academy Courses can be pre-booked in the UK, and we would recommend that you book early as places are limited and very popular. For those who prefer private coaching, we offer single lessons or a package of three lessons all of which are bookable in resort.

In all resorts* we ensure there is court time available for those wanting free play. We also arrange evening tennis socials, and a not too serious weekly tournament. We can provide racquets and balls for tuition, social sessions and free play.

Group Coaching
Adults & Children (over 13 yrs)
4 x 1 hour lessons
Cost £50

Kids Group Coaching
4-12 years of age
4 x 1 hour lessons
Cost £40

Private Lessons
1-2 persons
1 x 45 minute lesson
Cost £25

Private Lesson Package
Maximum 2 persons
3 x 45 minute lessons
Cost £70


Strangely, the promo said the courts at OC were Astroturf but they were really hard courts.

Thanks Misty, very interesting. If those charges were for tennis lessons the Oldfields did well. They had 3 private lessons booked.
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2019, 08:37:31 AM
Thanks Misty, very interesting. If those charges were for tennis lessons the Oldfields did well. They had 3 private lessons booked.

Why is this interesting.. Why is it of any importance
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2019, 08:48:12 AM
Why is this interesting.. Why is it of any importance
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Why is trying to wok out the odds of a certain crime having been committed interesting? Is that important?
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2019, 08:52:58 AM
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Why is trying to wok out the odds of a certain crime having been committed interesting? Is that important?

Why are the access cards relevant
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2019, 09:03:19 AM
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Why is trying to wok out the odds of a certain crime having been committed interesting? Is that important?
It’s not interesting or important, but it is being used in an attempt to ridicule the theory that Madeleine was abducted.  What’s your excuse?
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: G-Unit on June 23, 2019, 10:45:35 AM
It’s not interesting or important, but it is being used in an attempt to ridicule the theory that Madeleine was abducted.  What’s your excuse?

The thread in question seems to have appeared because some people seem to think that the question 'was Madeleine abducted?' can be answered by resorting to some kind of probability calculation. in my opinion that is what is being ridiculed, not the abduction theory per se.

AFAIK I need no 'excuse' for starting a thread. My reason was that questions have been asked about these cards previously; like if they were some kind of door-opening device. It seems they were used to gain access to certain areas, such as the adult pool bar;

The bar is open exclusively to resort clients, and that control is made by means of a client card at the entrance to the bar.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HAYLEY-CRAWFORD.htm

Once inside, it could be used to buy food and drink and the bill would be paid at the end of the client's stay. Russell O'Brien touches on this, albeit not completely clearly;

All the meals were included in the booking as was a limited choice in drinks, if anything else was ordered there may have been a need to have made an additional payment.  I recall that orders may have been put onto a bar bill and paid at the end of the week.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm






Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: Mr Gray on June 23, 2019, 10:50:18 AM
The thread in question seems to have appeared because some people seem to think that the question 'was Madeleine abducted?' can be answered by resorting to some kind of probability calculation. in my opinion that is what is being ridiculed, not the abduction theory per se.

AFAIK I need no 'excuse' for starting a thread. My reason was that questions have been asked about these cards previously; like if they were some kind of door-opening device. It seems they were used to gain access to certain areas, such as the adult pool bar;

The bar is open exclusively to resort clients, and that control is made by means of a client card at the entrance to the bar.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HAYLEY-CRAWFORD.htm

Once inside, it could be used to buy food and drink and the bill would be paid at the end of the client's stay. Russell O'Brien touches on this, albeit not completely clearly;

All the meals were included in the booking as was a limited choice in drinks, if anything else was ordered there may have been a need to have made an additional payment.  I recall that orders may have been put onto a bar bill and paid at the end of the week.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

The question cannot be answered by statistics... Not sur e where you got that from
Title: Re: Access Cards
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on June 23, 2019, 01:02:59 PM
The thread in question seems to have appeared because some people seem to think that the question 'was Madeleine abducted?' can be answered by resorting to some kind of probability calculation. in my opinion that is what is being ridiculed, not the abduction theory per se.

AFAIK I need no 'excuse' for starting a thread. My reason was that questions have been asked about these cards previously; like if they were some kind of door-opening device. It seems they were used to gain access to certain areas, such as the adult pool bar;

The bar is open exclusively to resort clients, and that control is made by means of a client card at the entrance to the bar.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HAYLEY-CRAWFORD.htm

Once inside, it could be used to buy food and drink and the bill would be paid at the end of the client's stay. Russell O'Brien touches on this, albeit not completely clearly;

All the meals were included in the booking as was a limited choice in drinks, if anything else was ordered there may have been a need to have made an additional payment.  I recall that orders may have been put onto a bar bill and paid at the end of the week.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm
The only people who think calculating the odds of Madeleine being abducted is in any way relevant  are those who are intent on ridiculing the theory, fact.  What does it matter what was put on the bar bill?  How is this relevant?