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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on May 22, 2013, 12:23:43 AM
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The possible use of a sedative has been mentioned in the case several times including with particular reference being made to Calpol.
Indeed, it is part of Gonçalo Amaral's claim that a sedative played some part in what he alleges was Madeleine's death.
Lets have a look at what this is all about.
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If the abductor sedated her or her parents sedated her, who would know ? If she had only been sedated over the holiday there would be no historical signs of sedation.
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If the abductor sedated her or her parents sedated her, who would know ? If she had only been sedated over the holiday there would be no historical signs of sedation.
I believe they would be able to tell from a hair sample how long the person had been given drugs.
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I believe they would be able to tell from a hair sample how long the person had been given drugs.
Not if it was only for days.
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Not if it was only for days.
It depends on which drug. Benzodiazepins vanish very quickly.
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Not if it was only for days.
It was Calpol Amaral mentioned wasn't it.
Though I really cannot see two Doctor's giving an overdose of anything.
So why would they hide the body?
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It was Calpol Amaral mentioned wasn't it.
Though I really cannot see two Doctor's giving an overdose of anything.
So why would they hide the body?
Maybe not a overdose ? Maybe just enough to make the child disorientated, leading to an accident ? The McCanns would still have to explain why they were sedating their children.
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It was Calpol Amaral mentioned wasn't it.
Though I really cannot see two Doctor's giving an overdose of anything.
So why would they hide the body?
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Yes, only Calpol (due to a misunderstanding by Amaral). The rest is pure speculation - no sedatives were ever found anywhere in the McCanns' possession inside the apartment.
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Yes, only Calpol (due to a misunderstanding by Amaral). The rest is pure speculation - no sedatives were ever found anywhere in the McCanns' possession inside the apartment.
How hard do you think it would be to dispose of a small bottle or box of pills or drops ?
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Yes, only Calpol (due to a misunderstanding by Amaral). The rest is pure speculation - no sedatives were ever found anywhere in the McCanns' possession inside the apartment.
Refresh my somewhat tired memory, Calpol was not on sale when the McCanns were supposedly dosing their children with it? Clever trick that if that is what they were using. >@@(*&)
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Refresh my somewhat tired memory, Calpol was not on sale when the McCanns were supposedly dosing their children with it? Clever trick that if that is what they were using. >@@(*&)
Calpol Night, which I believe had a sedative effect, wasn't. I myself think the Calpol issue is one massive red herring.
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Refresh my somewhat tired memory, Calpol was not on sale when the McCanns were supposedly dosing their children with it? Clever trick that if that is what they were using. >@@(*&)
There was another version of Calpol, called Calpol Night, that was released on the market after Madeleine's disappearance. Regular Calpol is a pain killer (Paracetamol) & nothing else, Calpol Night on the other hand contained a mild sedative to aid sleep.
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There was another version of Calpol, called Calpol Night, that was released on the market after Madeleine's disappearance. Regular Calpol is a pain killer (Paracetamol) & nothing else, Calpol Night on the other hand contained a mild sedative to aid sleep.
Thanks for that, Mrs B. So why give ordinary Calpol to anyone as a sedative?
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Maybe not a overdose ? Maybe just enough to make the child disorientated, leading to an accident ? The McCanns would still have to explain why they were sedating their children.
Calpol isn't a sedative.
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Thanks for that, Mrs B. So why give ordinary Calpol to anyone as a sedative?
There's no reason, it's simply not possible to sedate people by the use of Paracetamol, large amounts of [it - ETA] can give liver damages in the long term. Huge amounts can cause your liver to stop functioning after a while & of course that can lead to death. Which is very rare btw.
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No it isn't a sedative and I cannot imagine two doctors giving anything to a small child of almost four to make her feel disorientated.
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If Calpol is a red herring, why is it that Amaral, and ONLY Amaral, is the one going on about it?
Extract from Amaral's book - CH 4 - The paternal grandfather stated that Kate gave the little girl - and also the twins - Calpol, a medication designed to facilitate falling asleep.
Which is totally untrue, of course.
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Calpol isn't a sedative.
Calpol is a red herring.
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If Calpol is a red herring, why is it that Amaral, and ONLY Amaral, is the one going on about it?
Extract from Amaral's book - CH 4 - The paternal grandfather stated that Kate gave the little girl - and also the twins - Calpol, a medication designed to facilitate falling asleep.
Which is totally untrue, of course.
Of course it is but as doctors the McCanns would have access to all manner of medication.
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Sedation by Calpol is a major part of Amaral's "thesis" - it's his explanation to why a perfectly healthy four year old would sustain lethal injuries by a fall from a sofa. She was drugged. That's HIS theory.
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No, sorry, that's not how hospitals work these days, Doctor's can't just start raiding the medication supplies at will. They have to request the medication they need for patients & sign for it. It's quite heavily controlled. There is no evidence that either parent McCann had requested any sedatives from anywhere. If you have contradictory evidence, please provide a link.
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Sedation by Calpol is a major part of Amaral's "thesis" - it's his explanation to why a perfectly healthy four year old would sustain lethal injuries by a fall from a sofa. She was drugged. That's HIS theory.
Obviously Amaral was mistaken about the Calpol and any kind of sedation could substituted for the non-sedative Calpol in his thesis without it affecting the whole.
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No, sorry, that's not how hospitals work these days, Doctor's can't just start raiding the medication supplies at will. They have to request the medication they need for patients & sign for it. It's quite heavily controlled. There is no evidence that either parent McCann had requested any sedatives from anywhere. If you have contradictory evidence, please provide a link.
Tell me Mrs B, are you a doctor ?
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Why would you need to know? Are you ill?
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Sedation by Calpol is a major part of Amaral's "thesis" - it's his explanation to why a perfectly healthy four year old would sustain lethal injuries by a fall from a sofa. She was drugged. That's HIS theory.
Yes it is his theory, he didn't do his homework, and thought everyone was green.
Calpol - Letter from Johnson & Johnson
Our Ref: XXXXXX-Letter
Date: XXXX 2009
Dear Madam/Sir
Thank you for your recent enquiry concerning Calpol Infant Suspension (120mg paracetamol per 5ml).
Calpol Infant Suspension contains paracetamol which is used to relieve pain and reduce fever. As you rightly point out, it does not have sedative properties. We are keen to ensure that consumers understand how to use all of our products correctly. In the case of Calpol, we ensure clear messages in our advertising to ensure correct usage. The product also contains clear instructions for use on the box and within the enclosed patient information leaflet.
Thank you for your concern regarding the reputation of our product and the suggestion that we contact Mr Amaral. We will give your suggestion due consideration.
Yours sincerely
Johnson & Johnson Ltd
XXXXXX XXXXXXXX BSc (Hons)
Medical Information Officer
Professional Information Ltd
on behalf of Johnson & Johnson Ltd
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Sedation by Calpol is a major part of Amaral's "thesis" - it's his explanation to why a perfectly healthy four year old would sustain lethal injuries by a fall from a sofa. She was drugged. That's HIS theory.
Perhaps she had some unnoticed cardiac deficiency.
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No reason to think that at all.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PH-HU.htm
Also, I never had doubts regarding the physical or psychological well-being of the children. Madeleine was seen by the duty doctor when born and by our nurses during the routine vaccinations. If there had been cause for concern in any of the children, it would have been brought to my attention, and this did not happen.
McCann family Doctor Rogatory statement to Police.
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Please note that this subject now has its own thread.
Calpol is a Gods send...wouldn't be without it as all parents will know.
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Calpol Night, which I believe had a sedative effect, wasn't. I myself think the Calpol issue is one massive red herring.
Wrong!
Calpol night is the massive red herring.
The subject of calpol arose, for the sole reason that the McCanns themselves raised it, telling the PJ frankly that they had it with them on that holiday.
To be clear, calpol is simple paracetomol for children, and with an excellent record of safety in use with children.
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"Paracetamol doesn't have any sedative properties whatsoever and neither does Nurofen," he says. "It's a widespread misconception that Calpol helps children to sleep. Doctors used to prescribe antihistamines to help children sleep, but not any longer."
Although these products may not be as effective as soporifics as parents might hope, Prof Stephenson doesn't believe that they are in any way harmful. The two main theoretical risks – that they may mask the symptoms of a more serious medical problem, and the possibility of overdose – are, he believes, slight. "Most parents are assiduous and careful observers of their child. They would be careful to note if they were deteriorating or had developed a rash. There are very few examples of children being overdosed by over-the-counter remedies."
The dosage for children aged one to six is one to two 5ml spoonfuls of the Calpol suspension up to four times a day. For three to 12-month-old babies, it is one to two 2.5ml spoonfuls. A 5ml dose contains 120mg of paracetamol, compared with 500mg per tablet in adult Panadol.
"I've never seen an overdose of Calpol," says Dr Wayne Lenney, a consultant paediatrician. "The only liquid overdoses in children occur when teenagers drink too much alcohol."
Doctors agree that as painkillers these medications are effective and, most importantly, safe. "There was a study in the US of over 80,000 children given ibuprofen and paracetamol, and the number of those who developed side effects that could be attributed to the medicine was absolutely tiny," says Prof Stephenson.
But some parents are wary of using them for fear, in Silke Moser's words, that "at some point, children will become immune to them". Nonsense, says Prof Stephenson. "Your child can't build immunity to these medicines – they won't work less because they have it all the time."
None the less, many parents are looking to alternative and complementary remedies instead of relying on yet another spoonful of Calpol.
Sure Start, the Government's family support agency, subsidises homoeopathy clinics and courses across the country. Harter says many parents say their children never seem completely well. She believes homoeopathic remedies work by supporting the immune system, instead of suppressing it.
Prof Stephenson does not dismiss alternative remedies, but says most have yet to be shown to be effective. "There have been cases of children suffering and dying because parents insisted on using only alternative remedies."
The argument between daily dosers of Calpol and homoeopathic alternatives could be irrelevant. Dr Stephenson says it may be the case that it's not what you give but how you give it that counts. "In most age groups, there is a placebo effect of any medication if it tastes nice and is given to you by somebody who loves you and gives you a cuddle."
(Telegraph)
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If Madeleine had been sedated by a Doctor to make her sleep she would not have woken up some two hours later, which is when Amaral seems to think she fell off the back of the settee.
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Calpol is a red herring.
Like the open window ? I'm kidding.
I've never heard of anaphylaxis associated to Calpol.
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If Calpol is a red herring, why is it that Amaral, and ONLY Amaral, is the one going on about it?
Extract from Amaral's book - CH 4 - The paternal grandfather stated that Kate gave the little girl - and also the twins - Calpol, a medication designed to facilitate falling asleep.
Which is totally untrue, of course.
Mr Amaral is so naive that it didn't pass his mind doctors are no fools and would never sedate kids with Calpol ! There are other drugs, quite safe normally.
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Kate's interview on 6 September:
Before they left she took some precautions: put the medicine inside a bag with a clasp in her room inside the wardrobe or the dresser. These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (Ibuprofen), for fevers and pains, both for adults and children (liquid form for children). In this bag there was also a small pair of scissors. In the kitchen were cutting elements used to prepare the meals and which were not put out of sight. During their trips it was normal for them to take these medicines. During these holidays she never gave any medicine to her children, nor did Gerry. She now says that Gerry took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed.
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Wrong!
Calpol night is the massive red herring.
The subject of calpol arose, for the sole reason that the McCanns themselves raised it, telling the PJ frankly that they had it with them on that holiday.
To be clear, calpol is simple paracetomol for children, and with an excellent record of safety in use with children.
(sic)
"Paracetamol doesn't have any sedative properties whatsoever and neither does Nurofen," he says. "It's a widespread misconception that Calpol helps children to sleep. Doctors used to prescribe antihistamines to help children sleep, but not any longer."
Although these products may not be as effective as soporifics as parents might hope, Prof Stephenson doesn't believe that they are in any way harmful. The two main theoretical risks – that they may mask the symptoms of a more serious medical problem, and the possibility of overdose – are, he believes, slight. "Most parents are assiduous and careful observers of their child. They would be careful to note if they were deteriorating or had developed a rash. There are very few examples of children being overdosed by over-the-counter remedies."
The dosage for children aged one to six is one to two 5ml spoonfuls of the Calpol suspension up to four times a day. For three to 12-month-old babies, it is one to two 2.5ml spoonfuls. A 5ml dose contains 120mg of paracetamol, compared with 500mg per tablet in adult Panadol.
"I've never seen an overdose of Calpol," says Dr Wayne Lenney, a consultant paediatrician. "The only liquid overdoses in children occur when teenagers drink too much alcohol."
Doctors agree that as painkillers these medications are effective and, most importantly, safe. "There was a study in the US of over 80,000 children given ibuprofen and paracetamol, and the number of those who developed side effects that could be attributed to the medicine was absolutely tiny," says Prof Stephenson.
But some parents are wary of using them for fear, in Silke Moser's words, that "at some point, children will become immune to them". Nonsense, says Prof Stephenson. "Your child can't build immunity to these medicines – they won't work less because they have it all the time."
None the less, many parents are looking to alternative and complementary remedies instead of relying on yet another spoonful of Calpol.
Sure Start, the Government's family support agency, subsidises homoeopathy clinics and courses across the country. Harter says many parents say their children never seem completely well. She believes homoeopathic remedies work by supporting the immune system, instead of suppressing it.
Prof Stephenson does not dismiss alternative remedies, but says most have yet to be shown to be effective. "There have been cases of children suffering and dying because parents insisted on using only alternative remedies."
The argument between daily dosers of Calpol and homoeopathic alternatives could be irrelevant. Dr Stephenson says it may be the case that it's not what you give but how you give it that counts. "In most age groups, there is a placebo effect of any medication if it tastes nice and is given to you by somebody who loves you and gives you a cuddle."
(Telegraph)
Calpol of any kind is the red herring. Then again if you are concentrating on the case against Calpol you're not looking at any other sedative.
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These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (Ibuprofen)... Gerry took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed.[/b]
It doesn't seem much compared to what my doctor sister takes each time the six of them travel, all being healthy.
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Kate's interview on 6 September:
Before they left she took some precautions: put the medicine inside a bag with a clasp in her room inside the wardrobe or the dresser. These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (Ibuprofen), for fevers and pains, both for adults and children (liquid form for children). In this bag there was also a small pair of scissors. In the kitchen were cutting elements used to prepare the meals and which were not put out of sight. During their trips it was normal for them to take these medicines. During these holidays she never gave any medicine to her children, nor did Gerry. She now says that Gerry took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed.
Omeprazole is usually only prescribed when acid reflux is well established and only then in, usually, twenty eight courses yet the family doctor claimed in his police statement that he had not seen Gerry as a patient in the time they ad been in Rothley. So who did prescribe Gerry the Omeprazole ? Was he self-prescribing ?
ETA rogatory statement of Ian Scholfield, the McCanns doctor :
'I am currently, and have been for 14 months, the GP of the McCann family. Before Madeleine's disappearance, I had only consulted Kate McCann once and never had assisted Gerry, nor ever had reason to deal with the twins Sean and Amelie and only saw them once after the disappearance of Madeleine.'
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It doesn't seem much compared to what my doctor sister takes each time the six of them travel, all being healthy.
...you're not looking at any other sedative.
Bang on right, and for the excellent reason that there's no conceivable reason beyond the fevered imaginations of [ censored word ]s to do so.
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Calpol of any kind is the red herring. Then again if you are concentrating on the case against Calpol you're not looking at any other sedative.
This is like the moonwalking bear in the famous awareness test.
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...you're not looking at any other sedative.
Bang on right, and for the excellent reason that there's no conceivable reason beyond the fevered imaginations of [ censored word ]s to do so.
Please do not selectively quote my posts to distort their meaning. Thanks 8((()*/
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Omeprazole is usually only prescribed when acid reflux is well established and only then in, usually, twenty eight courses yet the family doctor claimed in his police statement that he had not seen Gerry as a patient in the time they ad been in Rothley. So who did prescribe Gerry the Omeprazole? Was he self-prescribing ?
ETA rogatory statement of Ian Scholfield, the McCanns doctor :
'I am currently, and have been for 14 months, the GP of the McCann family. Before Madeleine's disappearance, I had only consulted Kate McCann once and never had assisted Gerry, nor ever had reason to deal with the twins Sean and Amelie and only saw them once after the disappearance of Madeleine.'
28 courses? My husband has been on Omeprazole for 13 years.
Why would he need to see the doctor, for a repeat prescription?
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28 courses? My husband has been on Omeprazole for 13 years.
Why would he need to see the doctor, for a repeat prescription?
What are doctors for ? Prescribing ? Clinicians are unsubstitutable.
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@DCI
28 courses? My husband has been on Omeprazole for 13 years.
I have been on it for at least 10 years, it's a godsend.
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28 courses? My husband has been on Omeprazole for 13 years.
Why would he need to see the doctor, for a repeat prescription?
Apologies I meant two courses of 28 tablets at a time. Long term usage of Omperazole is monitored by doctor.
ETA 'never had assisted Gerry, '. I would think signing repeat prescriptions would be included in 'assisting' a patient.
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Please do not selectively quote my posts to distort their meaning. Thanks 8((()*/
So you admit Omeprazole has nothing to do with Madeleine's abduction?
Glad we've got that sorted ...
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So you admit Omeprazole has nothing to do with Madeleine's abduction?
Glad we've got that sorted ...
You're nothing if not predictable @)(++(*
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You're nothing if not predictable @)(++(*
As are your attempts to derail the thread
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As are your attempts to derail the thread
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So how do you think Gerry got hold of Omeprazole without consulting his doctor ?
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OP!
The possible use of a sedative has been mentioned in the case several times including with particular reference being made to Calpol.
Indeed, it is part of Gonçalo Amaral's claim that a sedative played some part in what he alleges was Madeleine's death.
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Yes, only Calpol (due to a misunderstanding by Amaral). The rest is pure speculation - no sedatives were ever found anywhere in the McCanns' possession inside the apartment.
Where did this Calpol saga originate (I don't mean the interview with Kate's dad that ended up in tabloids stating the opposite of what he'd said).
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Apologies I meant two courses of 28 tablets at a time. Long term usage of Omperazole is monitored by doctor.
ETA 'never had assisted Gerry, '. I would think signing repeat prescriptions would be included in 'assisting' a patient.
It doesn't need to be monitored. he knows himself if any changes. Which a nurse would deal with, if needed.
Well looks like our doc is one in a million. He only signs the prescription, reception print them off.
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Where did this Calpol saga originate (I don't mean the interview with Kate's dad that ended up in tabloids stating the opposite of what he'd said).
It's an intriguing question.
The subject surfaced because the McCanns raised it (in telling the PJ, frankly, that they had it with them on holiday).
Then Amaral made a reference in his book to "calpol night" which (from memory) he said simply had been on the market (sic) in recent years.
But it was Morais in one of her blogs who made all the running with calpol night.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/11/calpol-night-diphenhydramine-doubts.html
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It doesn't need to be monitored. he knows himself if any changes. Which a nurse would deal with, if needed.
Well looks like our doc is one in a million. He only signs the prescription, reception print them off.
All long term drug use is monitored and if there were changes it certainly wouldn't be dealt with by a practice nurse.
Besides if his doctor was treating Gerry for any kind of illness, even only by writing prescriptions, he would have said so in his statement.
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A few links for those who aren't familiar with this topic:
http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/the-media-the-twist-and-the-investigation/
http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/calpol-and-nurofen-on-the-mccann-holiday/
http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/goncalo-spouts-now/
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It's an intriguing question.
The subject surfaced because the McCanns raised it (in telling the PJ, frankly, that they had it with them on holiday).
Then Amaral made a reference in his book to "calpol night" which (from memory) he said simply had been on the market (sic) in recent years.
But it was Morais in one of her blogs who made all the running with calpol night.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/11/calpol-night-diphenhydramine-doubts.html
From his book.
One of the police officers who went to the McCanns' home in England, reported that a medical monitoring chart for Madeleine was posted in the kitchen. This referred to her sleep problems and made clear that she was waking several times in the night. The paternal grandfather stated that Kate gave the little girl - and also the twins - Calpol, a medication designed to facilitate falling asleep. That seems to be a common practice in Great Britain; they even talk about a "Calpol generation." In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy. Recently, the same laboratory put Calpol Night on the market, whose ingredients clearly list that it contains an antihistamine.
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In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy. Recently, the same laboratory put Calpol Night on the market, whose ingredients clearly list that it contains an antihistamine.
That wording was, probably deliberately, used so as to mislead the unwary reader into supposing the drug was on the market at the time of the holiday
In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy.
That is a falsehood (at best); a lie (at worst).
Although (possibly) something lost in translation (where the hell is Carana when you need her) ...
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In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy. Recently, the same laboratory put Calpol Night on the market, whose ingredients clearly list that it contains an antihistamine.
That wording was, probably deliberately, used so as to mislead the unwary reader into supposing the drug was on the market at the time of the holiday
In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy.
That is a falsehood (at best); a lie (at worst).
Although (possibly) something lost in translation (where the hell is Carana when you need her) ...
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Anna Esse translation, not mine. Does Carana do Portuguese translations?
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All long term drug use is monitored and if there were changes it certainly wouldn't be dealt with by a practice nurse.
Besides if his doctor was treating Gerry for any kind of illness, even only by writing prescriptions, he would have said so in his statement.
Not at our practice, unless urgent! You can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies!
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/proton-pump-inhibitors
Can I buy proton pump inhibitors?
Most of these medicines are prescription only. You can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies. However, if you need to use this medicine for more than four weeks you should consult your doctor.
http://www.webmd.boots.com/heartburn-gord/gord-in-adults-proton-pump-inhibitors-ppis
But you can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies. You can buy it as omeprazole, or by the brand name Zanprol. Rabeprazole (Pariet) can also be bought over the counter.
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Not at our practice, unless urgent! You can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies!
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/proton-pump-inhibitors
Can I buy proton pump inhibitors?
Most of these medicines are prescription only. You can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies. However, if you need to use this medicine for more than four weeks you should consult your doctor.
http://www.webmd.boots.com/heartburn-gord/gord-in-adults-proton-pump-inhibitors-ppis
But you can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies. You can buy it as omeprazole, or by the brand name Zanprol. Rabeprazole (Pariet) can also be bought over the counter.
Yep!
Can I buy proton pump inhibitors?
Most of these medicines are prescription only. You can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies. However, if you need to use this medicine for more than four weeks you should consult your doctor.
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From his book.
One of the police officers who went to the McCanns' home in England, reported that a medical monitoring chart for Madeleine was posted in the kitchen. This referred to her sleep problems and made clear that she was waking several times in the night. The paternal grandfather stated that Kate gave the little girl - and also the twins - Calpol, a medication designed to facilitate falling asleep. That seems to be a common practice in Great Britain; they even talk about a "Calpol generation." In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy. Recently, the same laboratory put Calpol Night on the market, whose ingredients clearly list that it contains an antihistamine.
See how Amaral talks about the chart that Madeleine had for her sleeping. Then goes on to say that Kate give Madeleine Calpol.
If Kate give Madeleine Calpol to help her sleep [which it doesn't] then there would be no need for a chart.
The way he introduces the Calpol into the paragraph along side Madeleine and her sleep, sounds as though Kate give Madeleine Calpol to stop her waking up.
In actual fact the Grandfather [correct me if I am wrong] actually said he doesn't remember Kate giving Madeleine any drugs except for Calpol. I don't think he said 'at night to help her sleep' did he?
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From his book.
One of the police officers who went to the McCanns' home in England, reported that a medical monitoring chart for Madeleine was posted in the kitchen. This referred to her sleep problems and made clear that she was waking several times in the night. The paternal grandfather stated that Kate gave the little girl - and also the twins - Calpol, a medication designed to facilitate falling asleep. That seems to be a common practice in Great Britain; they even talk about a "Calpol generation." In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy. Recently, the same laboratory put Calpol Night on the market, whose ingredients clearly list that it contains an antihistamine.
See how Amaral talks about the chart that Madeleine had for her sleeping. Then goes on to say that Kate give Madeleine Calpol.
If Kate give Madeleine Calpol to help her sleep [which it doesn't] then there would be no need for a chart.
The way he introduces the Calpol into the paragraph along side Madeleine and her sleep, sounds as though Kate give Madeleine Calpol to stop her waking up.
In actual fact the Grandfather [correct me if I am wrong] actually said he doesn't remember Kate giving Madeleine any drugs except for Calpol. I don't think he said 'at night to help her sleep' did he?
I don't think he said 'at night to help her sleep' did he?
You're quite right, Lace, he never did. That confusion arose because a journalist added his own words in brackets of a direct quote of Mr Healey (sic) to help her [madeleine] sleep.
Those words were never said by Mr Healey.
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I don't think he said 'at night to help her sleep' did he?
You're quite right, Lace, he never did. That confusion arose because a journalist added his own words in brackets of a direct quote of Mr Healey (sic) to help her [madeleine] sleep.
Those words were never said by Mr Healey.
If I remember correctly, besides the Calpol, he took great interest in Mr Healey's medication, too.
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If I remember correctly, besides the Calpol, he took great interest in Mr Healey's medication, too.
Someone certainly did. In video footage of the inspection of the villa, there are extended shots of Mr Healey's anti-Parkinsonian medication ...
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Not at our practice, unless urgent! You can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies!
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/proton-pump-inhibitors
Can I buy proton pump inhibitors?
Most of these medicines are prescription only. You can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies. However, if you need to use this medicine for more than four weeks you should consult your doctor.
http://www.webmd.boots.com/heartburn-gord/gord-in-adults-proton-pump-inhibitors-ppis
But you can buy omeprazole over the counter at pharmacies. You can buy it as omeprazole, or by the brand name Zanprol. Rabeprazole (Pariet) can also be bought over the counter.
You are absolutely right DCi. Thank you for correcting me and the interesting links.
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You are absolutely right DCi. Thank you for correcting me and the interesting links.
You are welcome, Faith!
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In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy. Recently, the same laboratory put Calpol Night on the market, whose ingredients clearly list that it contains an antihistamine.
That wording was, probably deliberately, used so as to mislead the unwary reader into supposing the drug was on the market at the time of the holiday
In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy.
That is a falsehood (at best); a lie (at worst).
Although (possibly) something lost in translation (where the hell is Carana when you need her) ...
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Madeleine dorme mal
Durante uma deslocação a Inglaterra do pai de Madeleine, em Julho de 2007, um colega da polícia inglesa visitou-o em casa. Colado no frigorífico viu um quadro onde eram assinalados os problemas de Madeleine. Constatou que a criança tinha dificulda- des em dormir, levantando-se várias vezes durante a noite. O avô paterno chegou a declarar que a mãe de Madeleine dava às crianças um medicamento denominado Calpol, para ajudar os filhos a dormir. Este medicamento é comummente ministrado às crianças inglesas, falando-se até de uma geração Calpol. Ao longo dos últimos anos tem-se discutido se este contém ou não um anti-histamínico cujo efeito é manifestamente sedativo. Certo é que esse efeito era a razão para o uso do Calpol em Inglaterra. Recentemente, este laboratório lançou um novo medicamento, o Calpol Night, em que o anti-histamínico está assumidamente presente. Na altura, especialistas afirmaram que aquele medicamento fun- cionava como um sedativo. A mãe chegou a admitir que trouxe tal medicamento de Inglaterra, mas que este não teria efeito sedante, tratando-se apenas de um paracetamol*, e que não teria chegado a administrá-lo aos filhos nestas férias. No momento do desapa- recimento de Madeleine, esta dormiria no quarto com os irmãos gémeos. Estes, apesar do barulho, dos gritos da mãe e das visitas ao seu quarto, nunca acordaram. Esta situação pode ser interpre- tada como encontrando-se as crianças sob o efeito de um qual- quer sedativo. Esta dificuldade em dormir pode ter desencadeado o fim trágico de Madeleine.
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Ah, thank you.
So that translates as
Over the past years has discussed whether or not this contains an antihistamine which manifestly and sedative effect.
Hmmmm!
Could be ...
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@ Ferryman
Amaral seems to be saying that there was a controversy as to whether Calpol contained an antihistamine with a sedative effect. And that that was why it was used in the UK. He then goes on to talk about Calpol Night...
What on earth was he on about?
As far as I'm aware, Calpol doesn't contain an antihistamine.
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@ Ferryman
Amaral seems to be saying that there was a controversy as to whether Calpol contained an antihistamine with a sedative effect. And that that was why it was used in the UK. He then goes on to talk about Calpol Night...
What on earth was he on about?
As far as I'm aware, Calpol doesn't contain an antihistamine.
Yes, I interpreted Amaral's meaning the same as yours and I think I actually know what he's driving at.
There actually is a mistaken belief among parents that calpol has some kind of sedative property.
That belief (almost certainly) stems from parents watching a fretful and restive toddler settle and drop off to sleep after being given a dose of calpol.
In fact, the painkiller kills the pain, and children, like adults, sleep better free of pain than in pain. So they settle and drop off to sleep, nurturing the (mistaken) belief among some parents that calpol has some sort of sedative effect.
I think that's reflected in Amaral referring to calpol (not night) as a sleeping solution
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Yes, I interpreted Amaral's meaning the same as yours and I think I actually know what he's driving at.
There actually is a mistaken belief among parents that calpol has some kind of sedative property.
That belief (almost certainly) stems from parents watching a fretful and restive toddler settle and drop off to sleep after being given a dose of calpol.
In fact, the painkiller kills the pain, and children, like adults, sleep better free of pain than in pain. So they settle and drop off to sleep, nurturing the (mistaken) belief among some parents that calpol has some sort of sedative effect.
I think that's reflected in Amaral referring to calpol (not night) as a sleeping solution
Well, yes, a painkiller, by definition, is meant to kill pain and thus facilitate sleep.
But he was under the erroneous impression that Calpol contained an antihistamine in addition to paracetamol. Which it didn't.
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Well, yes, a painkiller, by definition, is meant to kill pain and thus facilitate sleep.
But he was under the erroneous impression that Calpol contained an antihistamine in addition to paracetamol. Which it didn't.
Is quite correct.
I think he inferred that from the equally erroneous belief in certain quarters that it does have a sedative.
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Is quite correct.
I think he inferred that from the equally erroneous belief in certain quarters that it does have a sedative.
But he was a senior police officer on this case. And no one on his team verified that Calpol was just paracetamol?
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But he was a senior police officer on this case. And no one on his team verified that Calpol was just paracetamol?
You would think the Leicestershire police would at least have given him that information.
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You would think the Leicestershire police would at least have given him that information.
One of the first things Amaral did as soon as UK police officers arrived in Portugal was have some of them put under secret surveillance. He says so in his book.
It seems reasonable to suppose he didn't trust them.
What makes you suppose he'd have confided anything he believed in them?
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I can't remember how this parents-sedated-kids rumour started, but Kate's dad was interviewed about it, which was then misreported in some UK tabloid, and then got misreported again in some Portuguese tabloid.
The Portuguese tabloid article then ended up in the police file... highlighted in yellow.
(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P10/10VOLUME_Xa_Page_2585.jpg)
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I can't remember how this parents-sedated-kids rumour started, but Kate's dad was interviewed about it, which was then misreported in some UK tabloid, and then got misreported again in some Portuguese tabloid.
The Portuguese tabloid article then ended up in the police file... highlighted in yellow.
(http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P10/10VOLUME_Xa_Page_2585.jpg)
Do you have the video of Mr Healy's interview please ?
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Why was a tabloid article in the police file? Was this meant to be evidence?
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Why was a tabloid article in the police file? Was this meant to be evidence?
Tavares expressly states in his discredited interim report that Mr Healy 'contradicted' Kate and gerry on using sedatives with the children.
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Tavares expressly states in his discredited interim report that Mr Healy 'contradicted' Kate and gerry on using sedatives with the children.
Unless we have the actual video of Mr Healy's interview who knows what he told reporters. You know how these tabloids are !
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Unless we have the actual video of Mr Healy's interview who knows what he told reporters. You know how these tabloids are !
Tavares said:
Let's see: the media forwarded the hypothesis that the children could have been sedated to be kept asleep and allow some rest to the parents.
Distant in time Kate's father, the grandfather of the minor, Brian Healy, admits to the press that Kate could have administered some medication to the little girl, Calpol, to help the child (children'') to sleep, contrary to what his daughter Kate had stated.
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Unless we have the actual video of Mr Healy's interview who knows what he told reporters. You know how these tabloids are !
I posted a link a page or so up.
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@ Faithlilly
http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/the-media-the-twist-and-the-investigation/
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Which "such a thing" was put in this worried father's mind ? " I’m just horrified ,that anyone could even think that my daughter would do such a thing."
Sometimes I wonder how journalists have the "courage"...
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@ Faithlilly
http://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/the-media-the-twist-and-the-investigation/
Thank you Carana, I had missed it. The interview with Mr Healy was after they had been made arguidos so couldn't have happened before the 7-8 September, the interim report, an extract of which was supplied by ferryman, was dated the 10th of September yet Tavares wording seems to suggest the interview he was referring to was further in the past than a mere two days. Are we sure this is the interview Tavares means ?
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Almeida wrote his report 10 September.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm
Mr Healy was interviewed on 7th September.
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Why was a tabloid article in the police file? Was this meant to be evidence?
Yes!
With emphasis on the word meant!
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28 courses? My husband has been on Omeprazole for 13 years.
Why would he need to see the doctor, for a repeat prescription?
I have an Hiatus Hernia I have been on firstly Lansoprazole and then Omeprazole for 15 years
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So how do you think Gerry got hold of Omeprazole without consulting his doctor ?
In Italy it is generic and available without prescription in pharmacies
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So why did Amaral simply not check his information before he published his book? It's quite easy to check up Calpol on the internet.
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So why did Amaral simply not check his information before he published his book? It's quite easy to check up Calpol on the internet.
This book looks like written in a hurry. This Calpol question should certainly have been checked. Usually editors do and they use rewriters as well. And lawyers against libel accusations in certain countries.
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This book looks like written in a hurry. This Calpol question should certainly have been checked. Usually editors do and they use rewriters as well. And lawyers against libel accusations in certain countries.
That's true, it generally should come down to the editors, that certainly didn't do Mr. Amaral any favours.
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That's true, it generally should come down to the editors, that certainly didn't do Mr. Amaral any favours.
Wasn't Amaral's book produced at break-neck speed?
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That's true, it generally should come down to the editors, that certainly didn't do Mr. Amaral any favours.
The editors may have felt that they were covered legally as the basis seems to have been the interim report by Tavares de Almeida, who - himself - didn't seem to realise that this was not actually what Kate's dad had said.
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That was a big mistake, if that was the case, that report was totally discarded in the AG's legal summary.
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That was a big mistake, if that was the case, that report was totally discarded in the AG's legal summary.
But he was basing his "conclusions" on what was "known" up until he got "promoted" to Faro...
The fact that TdeA referred to what would appear to be a misunderstanding (via tabloids) was a piece of paper to wave in the air if challenged.
Why this crack PJ team never checked is quite probably irrelevant to any publishing-house lawyer.
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Slightly OT, but why on earth they never realised that the so-called "confidential" manuals were actually accessible to anyone is beyond me.
They have always been accessible to the public. I read them years ago.
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Slightly OT, but why on earth they never realised that the so-called "confidential" manuals were actually accessible to anyone is beyond me.
They have always been accessible to the public. I read them years ago.
I must be tired, sorry Carana, but I'm curious nonetheless : which confidential manuals on Calpol (I suppose), accessible to the public, are you talking about ?
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I must be tired, sorry Carana, but I'm curious nonetheless : which confidential manuals on Calpol (I suppose), accessible to the public, are you talking about ?
Nothing to do with calpol. CEOP manuals, billed as "top secret" but actually freely available on the net:
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19785-the-mccanns-and-ceop
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Nothing to do with calpol. CEOP manuals
Ah, thank you, Ferryman !