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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Redblossom on June 12, 2013, 08:42:48 PM
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Nonsense. Wrongly accused people most certainly need the best lawyer money can buy!
and *rightfully* accused people take on lawyers too, you dont know which way it cuts do you? Wasnt susan smith oj simpson caylee anthony and all those where its sure they were guilty
wrongfully accused innocent people tend to answer questions, take lie detector tests too, and not say they will take them only if its on their terms LOL who r u kidding
The McCanns and The Polygraph
In the Kate Prout murder case, the failure of Mr Prout to pass a Polygraph test led ultimately to his confession to the murder of his wife.
Back in September 2007 the McCanns, as part of their PR 'fight back' against the action of the Portuguese police in making them arguidos, made it known - albeit through the inevitable use of a proxy 'friend of the family'/'source' - that they would be willing to take a lie detector test to clear their names.
"They have said all along that they want to co-operate fully with the Portuguese police," the anonymous 'friend' stated, adding that they had "received no such request from the Portuguese authorities".
Once the frantic headlines, such as 'McCANNS: WE'LL TAKE LIE TEST', had been successfully embedded into the nation's newsstands, Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns spokesperson, stepped forward to pour cold water on the idea. Principally on the grounds that such evidence was not admissible in a Portuguese court.
And there the matter lay...
Until November, of the same year, when a "shocked" Don Cargill, chairman of the British And European Polygraph Association, spoke to the Sunday Express. He revealed that he had spoken to "the McCanns' people", with regard to taking a lie detector test, and they had come back "with a list of conditions that would have been impossible to satisfy".
Mr Cargill said: "Kate said she'd take it to prove her innocence but in reality, she wasn't willing. I was dumbfounded, to tell the truth."
The accompanying headlines, such as 'KATE REFUSES LIE TEST', were clearly unhelpful and so, as usual, Clarence Mitchell was afforded the final word on the subject:
"Gerry and Kate don't need to do one as they are telling the truth."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id393.html
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Pmsl at clarrie
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Nonsense. Wrongly accused people most certainly need the best lawyer money can buy!
Perhaps wrongly suspected people (supposing you're thinking of the McCann couple, who were'nt accused btw) would put an end to doubts by collaborating with the same police that suspects them, instead of adopting an offended attitude, as if they were above suspicion, as if suspecting them were a lese-majesty crime.
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Perhaps wrongly suspected people (supposing you're thinking of the McCann couple, who were'nt accused btw) would put an end to doubts by collaborating with the same police that suspects them, instead of adopting an offended attitude, as if they were above suspicion, as if suspecting them were a lese-majesty crime.
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The mccanns had nothing to fear if they answered questions, if thry had nothing to hide, gerry did, why did kate not? Hiding something imo, no other reason
NO INNOCENT mother refuses to answer questions , NONE
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and *rightfully* accused people take on lawyers too, you dont know which way it cuts do you? Wasnt susan smith oj simpson caylee anthony and all those where its sure they were guilty
wrongfully accused innocent people tend to answer questions, take lie detector tests too, and not say they will take them only if its on their terms LOL who r u kidding
The McCanns and The Polygraph
In the Kate Prout murder case, the failure of Mr Prout to pass a Polygraph test led ultimately to his confession to the murder of his wife.
Back in September 2007 the McCanns, as part of their PR 'fight back' against the action of the Portuguese police in making them arguidos, made it known - albeit through the inevitable use of a proxy 'friend of the family'/'source' - that they would be willing to take a lie detector test to clear their names.
"They have said all along that they want to co-operate fully with the Portuguese police," the anonymous 'friend' stated, adding that they had "received no such request from the Portuguese authorities".
Once the frantic headlines, such as 'McCANNS: WE'LL TAKE LIE TEST', had been successfully embedded into the nation's newsstands, Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns spokesperson, stepped forward to pour cold water on the idea. Principally on the grounds that such evidence was not admissible in a Portuguese court.
And there the matter lay...
Until November, of the same year, when a "shocked" Don Cargill, chairman of the British And European Polygraph Association, spoke to the Sunday Express. He revealed that he had spoken to "the McCanns' people", with regard to taking a lie detector test, and they had come back "with a list of conditions that would have been impossible to satisfy".
Mr Cargill said: "Kate said she'd take it to prove her innocence but in reality, she wasn't willing. I was dumbfounded, to tell the truth."
The accompanying headlines, such as 'KATE REFUSES LIE TEST', were clearly unhelpful and so, as usual, Clarence Mitchell was afforded the final word on the subject:
"Gerry and Kate don't need to do one as they are telling the truth."
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id393.html
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Pmsl at clarrie
OK Red - knowing that Lie detectors are not 100% accurate, and some people can even beat them, - with hand on heart tell us what you would say if the McCanns took one and passed.
(I'll take a guess that you won't give a straight answer to that question.)
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Amid this shortage of facts one truth stands out: it is a fact that after six years there is no known evidence of involvement of the parents in the disappearance of their daughter. That being so then the various claims of concealment of such (non-existent) evidence by government/ media/powerful friends/ take your pick or make one up/ are simply, we're afraid, inventions. Anyone who believes that there really is such evidence is free to say so and then provide it to a libel court and make themselves famous. No takers are there? Not even Mr Anthony Aloysius Hancock Bennett, whose day in court ended in craven abasement but whose latest libel refers to a conspiracy by the parents and Robert Murat to cover up the child's disappearance before she even disappeared. The logical inference of such a claim is that the McCanns planned and committed murder. Among all the wild theories of hidden assistance only one stands out irrefutably: the greatest ally of Kate and Gerry McCann since 2008, the person who has done more than anyone to strengthen their credibility, and sully the reputation of their critics, is Bennett.
Quite ....
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Yes, that is indeed unusual common sense from that quarter, & though I agree about Bennett I must point out that, IMO, Birch isn't helping their cause much either. Stark raving mad, that one.
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Amid this shortage of facts one truth stands out: it is a fact that after six years there is no known evidence of involvement of the parents in the disappearance of their daughter. That being so then the various claims of concealment of such (non-existent) evidence by government/ media/powerful friends/ take your pick or make one up/ are simply, we're afraid, inventions. Anyone who believes that there really is such evidence is free to say so and then provide it to a libel court and make themselves famous. No takers are there? Not even Mr Anthony Aloysius Hancock Bennett, whose day in court ended in craven abasement but whose latest libel refers to a conspiracy by the parents and Robert Murat to cover up the child's disappearance before she even disappeared. The logical inference of such a claim is that the McCanns planned and committed murder. Among all the wild theories of hidden assistance only one stands out irrefutably: the greatest ally of Kate and Gerry McCann since 2008, the person who has done more than anyone to strengthen their credibility, and sully the reputation of their critics, is Bennett.
Quite ....
You see ferryman, I knew you'd get him in the end 8(0(*
This however is my favourite part of the piece :
'The parents themselves will be affected in a rather different way. Their credibility has been poor since May 3 2007, as the evidence has repeatedly demonstrated, so the blow to their reputation will be less of a shock. But not less real: the Bureau staked its own reputation by noisily inviting the McCanns, via their usual bank of cut-outs – Mitchell, Facebook etc. – to confirm or deny the truth of the claim that they had approached Amaral's lawyers to settle and in the end, due to the pressure brought by our readers, they did what we asked. Kate McCann's position, despite the cut-outs, was clear and undeniable: the story was not true but was merely "a rumour". McCann's belated recognition of the trap she had fallen into resulted in the panicky email exchange between her forum cut-out and a poster there which the latter made public. Too late, Kate.'
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LOL The non-event of the email not from Kate you mean?
ETA "the Bureau staked its own reputation by noisily inviting the McCanns, via their usual bank of cut-outs"
If that doesn't make you laugh, nothing will....another delusional soul :)
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Amid this shortage of facts one truth stands out: it is a fact that after six years there is no known evidence of involvement of the parents in the disappearance of their daughter. That being so then the various claims of concealment of such (non-existent) evidence by government/ media/powerful friends/ take your pick or make one up/ are simply, we're afraid, inventions. Anyone who believes that there really is such evidence is free to say so and then provide it to a libel court and make themselves famous. No takers are there? Not even Mr Anthony Aloysius Hancock Bennett, whose day in court ended in craven abasement but whose latest libel refers to a conspiracy by the parents and Robert Murat to cover up the child's disappearance before she even disappeared. The logical inference of such a claim is that the McCanns planned and committed murder. Among all the wild theories of hidden assistance only one stands out irrefutably: the greatest ally of Kate and Gerry McCann since 2008, the person who has done more than anyone to strengthen their credibility, and sully the reputation of their critics, is Bennett.
Quite ....
Honestbroker, why didn't you print all the article ? >@@(*&)
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It's not an "article" - it's a BLOG entry by a somewhat delusional & bitter anti McCann who has a history of getting the wrong end of the stick where most things are concerned.
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Honestbroker, why didn't you print all the article ? >@@(*&)
Do you ever post anything, useful steve, besides digs at Ferryman?
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It's not an "article" - it's a BLOG entry by a somewhat delusional & bitter anti McCann who has a history of getting the wrong end of the stick where most things are concerned.
Oh dear, blog/article, it makes no difference.
Blacksmith, a 'bitter anti Mccann'.
Now that's a crock of sh##.
'Wrong end of the stick'. In your dreams............................... 8(>((
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It's not an "article" - it's a BLOG entry by a somewhat delusional & bitter anti McCann who has a history of getting the wrong end of the stick where most things are concerned.
Care to give us a few examples Mrs B ?
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Do you ever post anything, useful steve, besides digs at Ferryman?
HONESTBROKER/FERRYMAN or which online identity he/she chooses can answer for themselves.
It seems I have touched yet another raw nerve.
Meanwhile, his/her posts are littered with a litany of attacks on others..........................
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Oh dear, blog/article, it makes no difference.
Blacksmith, a 'bitter anti Mccann'.
Now that's a crock of sh##.
'Wrong end of the stick'. In your dreams............................... 8(>((
Ferryman seems to have been hoisted by his own petard.
For anyone who wishes to read the whole article, here is the link http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/
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Yes, Blacksmith has been the source of much merriment over the years, as described here
http://.....2.forumotion.co.uk/t2267-that-blacksmith-flounce
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Yes, Blacksmith has been the source of much merriment over the years, as described here
http://.....2.forumotion.co.uk/t2267-that-blacksmith-flounce
Depends on his mood, or who's upset him, which side he is on @)(++(*
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Yes, Blacksmith has been the source of much merriment over the years, as described here
http://.....2.forumotion.co.uk/t2267-that-blacksmith-flounce
Sorry Mrs B that link doesn't seem to work.
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Depends on his mood, or who's upset him, which side he is on @)(++(*
Yes, laughed at over here too http://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/puppeteering-antony-sharples-and-the-blacksmiths/
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Yes, Blacksmith has been the source of much merriment over the years, as described here
http://.....2.forumotion.co.uk/t2267-that-blacksmith-flounce
Indeed, in the world of noddy,bananabrains and big-ears, he would. @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Sorry Mrs B that link doesn't seem to work.
http://bit.ly/11klOVF
Sorry, here it is again, courtesy of Just a thought
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Yes, laughed at over here too http://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/puppeteering-antony-sharples-and-the-blacksmiths/
Well Blacksmith certainly seems to have touched a nerve. As to the owner of the blog above, I'd check out his twitter timeline before giving his witterings any credibility.
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No, but he is the source of much merriment, as I said...
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No, but he is the source of much merriment, as I said...
.......yes,with the fruitcakes.
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It's not an "article" - it's a BLOG entry by a somewhat delusional & bitter anti McCann who has a history of getting the wrong end of the stick where most things are concerned.
Anti-McCann ? I never had this feeling reading Blacksmith who, very rightly, fought conspiracy maniacs and criticized globally and pertinently the self called anti and pro.
Blacksmith has a tendency to take himself for a sort of Hercule Poirot, but I never observed bitterness.
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Anti-McCann ? I never had this feeling reading Blacksmith who, very rightly, fought conspiracy maniacs and criticized globally and pertinently the self called anti and pro.
Blacksmith has a tendency to take himself for a sort of Hercule Poirot, but I never observed bitterness.
It was Blacksmith who brought us Murat v Tanner
It was Blacksmith who erroneously suggested Gerry had said his feeling that the abductor was in the apartment at the time of his final check was at the time rather than (what he actually said) retrospective
It was Blacksmith who suggested Amaral parted company with Cabrita because Cabrita had become critically (possibly terminally) ill. All polite enquiries about Snr Cabrita's health since have been met with hostile shrugs of indifference.
And I suppose it wouldn't be completely true to form if Bennett didn't (partially) spoil a blast of plain common sense with a silly conspiracy theory of some sort ...
But some encouraging signs.
He still needs work, though ...
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It was Blacksmith who brought us Murat v Tanner
It was Blacksmith who erroneously suggested Gerry had said his feeling that the abductor was in the apartment at the time of his final check was at the time rather than (what he actually said) retrospective
It was Blacksmith who suggested Amaral parted company with Cabrita because Cabrita had become critically (possibly terminally) ill. All polite enquiries about Snr Cabrita's health since have been met with hostile shrugs of indifference.
And I suppose it wouldn't be completely true to form if Bennett didn't (partially) spoil a blast of plain common sense with a silly conspiracy theory of some sort ...
But some encouraging signs.
He still needs work, though ...
No honestbroker, it's not Blacksmith who needs to wake up to reality, it's you.
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It was Blacksmith who brought us Murat v Tanner
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No, ferryman, I think that was the itv journalist who had spoken to Murats lawyer and had it confirmed
So, no, not blacksmith, wrong again
Kier Simmons
https://mobile.twitter.com/KeirSimmons/status/9234034863
More misinformation? you do try it on ALL the time, i wonder why, but franky dont care for a totally discredited poster
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It was Blacksmith who brought us Murat v Tanner
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No, ferryman, I think that was the itv journalist who had spoken to Murats lawyer and had it confirmed
So, no, not blacksmith, wrong again
Kier Simmons
https://mobile.twitter.com/KeirSimmons/status/9234034863
More misinformation? you do try it on ALL the time, i wonder why, but franky dont care for a totally discredited poster
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Try again.
Kier Simmons took his lead from Murat's lawyer, who turned out not to be a reliable source ...
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Zzzzz
Will leave the floor to you to expllain exactly what happened between murat his lawyer keir and blacksmith, wont be back to read it though as will obviously be the usual bull from you but feel free to convince others
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Just in case you missed it, first two words of the tweet:
Lawyer confirms: ...
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Just in case you missed it, first two words of the tweet:
Lawyer confirms: ...
And how does that prove blacksmith invented the story? Unless u are suggesting blacksmith and murats lawyer are in cahoots,ooops i said i wouldnt read, just did, bye now
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And how does that prove blacksmith invented the story? Unless u are suggesting blacksmith and murats lawyer are in cahoots,ooops i said i wouldnt read, just did, bye now
I said:
It was Blacksmith who brought us Murat v Tanner
Didn't say anything about invent.
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I said:
It was Blacksmith who brought us Murat v Tanner
Didn't say anything about invent.
So what if he did? Presumably people read kiers tweets but not blacksmith, zzzzz struggling to see any point here at all, bbl
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I said:
It was Blacksmith who brought us Murat v Tanner
Didn't say anything about invent.
You have to laugh, Ferryman.
Isn't it Blacksmith who frequently boasts about having the same lawyer as murat? @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Blacksmith hits nerves, always has done, with people who wont debate,kudos, he is 100% correct
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Blacksmith hits nerves, always has done, with people who wont debate,kudos, he is 100% correct
Who was it that said:
I am not happy about introducing the law in any way to internet posting because of my belief in free speech. I can, however, be a litigious person and I have the experience and financial resources to deal with disputes at civil law. My solicitors are the firm that represented Robert Murat.
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So?
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Blacksmith reminds me of David Lynch's oniric penchant and of his dark and hallucinated look on the disturbing human reality that hides behind appearances. This got on many people's nerves.
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Blacksmith reminds me of David Lynch's oniric penchant and of his dark and hallucinated look on the disturbing human reality that hides behind appearances. This got on many people's nerves.
I found him honest andrefreshing most of the time and i agree with you anne he is very incisive and intuitive
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Who was it that said:
I am not happy about introducing the law in any way to internet posting because of my belief in free speech. I can, however, be a litigious person and I have the experience and financial resources to deal with disputes at civil law. My solicitors are the firm that represented Robert Murat.
So?
You asked earlier
And how does that prove blacksmith invented the story? Unless u are suggesting blacksmith and murats lawyer are in cahoots,ooops i said i wouldnt read, just did, bye now
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It was Blacksmith who brought us Murat v Tanner
It was Blacksmith who erroneously suggested Gerry had said his feeling that the abductor was in the apartment at the time of his final check was at the time rather than (what he actually said) retrospective
It was Blacksmith who suggested Amaral parted company with Cabrita because Cabrita had become critically (possibly terminally) ill. All polite enquiries about Snr Cabrita's health since have been met with hostile shrugs of indifference.
And I suppose it wouldn't be completely true to form if Bennett didn't (partially) spoil a blast of plain common sense with a silly conspiracy theory of some sort ...
But some encouraging signs.
He still needs work, though ...
Murat's lawyer, via Kier Simmons, gave us Murat v Tanner.
The rest are your interpretation of what he actually wrote.
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I found him honest andrefreshing most of the time and i agree with you anne he is very incisive and intuitive
Do you agree with the OP then?
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Do you agree with the OP then?
carana, what a silly question, the day I agree with ferryman is the day I will stick red hot needles in my eyes
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carana, what a silly question, the day I agree with ferryman is the day I will stick red hot needles in my eyes
But the OP was a quote from Blacksmith...
blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk
NB: I find that a gruesome expression. Some kid may find that a cool thing to try if adults find it acceptable.
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Murat v Tanner? Wasn't that the court case that was never listed in any official court records? IRC, one of the lawyers searched through them but couldn't find it?
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But the OP was a quote from Blacksmith...
blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk
NB: I find that a gruesome expression. Some kid may find that a cool thing to try if adults find it acceptable.
the op was, as usual behaviour from the op, not a total quote, as for chastising me for saying some kid might be reading here and stick needles in their eyes, LOL, carana as funny as you sayng a citizen of portugal might not know ther own 999 number
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the op was, as usual behaviour from the op, not a total quote, as for chastising me for saying some kid might be reading here and stick needles in their eyes, LOL, carana as funny as you sayng a citizen of portugal might not know ther own 999 number
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We all find different things funny, or less so. Personally, I can think of less gruesome ways of describing the extent to which one disagrees with someone else.
On the 112 issue: Didn't you say the other evening that you weren't aware of 112 as an emergency number in the UK?
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We all find different things funny, or less so. Personally, I can think of less gruesome ways of describing the extent to which one disagrees with someone else.
On the 112 issue: Didn't you say the other evening that you weren't aware of 112 as an emergency number in the UK?
Whats the uk to do with it? lenora cipriano would have known her own countries 999 number, end of, that she failed to ring police ever when her 8 yr old baby was missing for hours and hours is testament to her deviant mindset
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Whats the uk to do with it? lenora cipriano would have known her own countries 999 number, end of, that she failed to ring police ever when her 8 yr old baby was missing for hours and hours is testament to her deviant mindset
According to the legal summary (if it's correct...), Leonor no longer had any credit on her phone. They'd searched around the area and when she checked with the lady in the shop, the lady called the GNR on her behalf.
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According to the legal summary (if it's correct...), Leonor no longer had any credit on her phone. They'd searched around the area and when she checked with the lady in the shop, the lady called the GNR on her behalf.
You should and can do better than that carana, Shameful
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You should and can do better than that carana, Shameful
aq) between 10.30 and 11 p.m., the arguida BB joined her partner II and MM, to whom she reiterated that CC was missing, and only at that point in time did she go to "Pastelaria ....." and asked the owner (NN) if CC had been there, then saying that she had disappeared;
ar) nevertheless, the arguida didn’t inform the police authorities about anything, despite there being GNR officers on duty in Figueira, because a popular fair called “Mussels Party” was taking place, and it was the third person (NN) that did it by telephone, at around 0.44 a.m. on the 13th of September, when she heard that the arguida hadn’t done so yet, and it was following said telephone call that the arguida ended up talking to GNR officers near the church in Figueira;
as) at that point in time the arguida said she hadn’t phoned because she had no credit on her mobile phone;
Was her phone checked?
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wrong thread carana
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as) at that point in time the arguida said she hadn’t phoned because she had no credit on her mobile phone;[/i]
Was her phone checked?
Carana, what was the use to tell you the ex national emergency number, 115, was still in use up to 2007 ? And without charge.
Inicialmente o número nacional de emergência era o 115, e até 2007 era possível obter ligação às centrais de emergência usando o 115 em vez do 112.