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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on July 10, 2013, 06:13:36 PM
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http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/childless-couple-in-link-to-maddie-mystery
Well that's all the loose ends tied up nicely then.
Only thing is if they know who this man is why haven't they recovered Madeleine ?
Whoops !
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POLICE are investigating a childless couple who they suspect could have abducted missing Madeleine McCann.
The pair, who had told friends they would kidnap a child after becoming frustrated with adoption red tape, are among the list of 38 new suspects drawn up by British cops.
A review by London’s Metropolitan police led them to the couple and detectives are now investigating the theory that they smuggled the missing toddler out of Portugal aboard a boat.
The man had inherited a large amount of money around the time Maddie disappeared on May 3, 2007, from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, and it’s believed he could have used the money to set up a new life.
And it’s the childless couple theory that is fuelling the last remaining hope that Maddie could still be alive.
This week cops said there is still no proof she is dead.
Other theories centered around paedophile gangs and lone sex offenders, but the investigation is now focusing on one individual who, having struggled with adoption procedures in Portugal, threatened to kidnap a child.
The individual is believed to have told friends that he was so frustrated with adoption procedures in a number of countries that “he would take his own child” if necessary.
The Metropolitan Police have been aware of this line of inquiry for the past two years, but it’s only since British PM David Cameron ordered a fresh review that they had the resources to follow it up independently of the Portuguese authorities.
Sources close to the new investigation have told the Sunday World that they believe Madeleine was stalked and targeted for abduction in the days before she disappeared.
The English suspect, who has never been interviewed by UK or Portuguese Police officers, is understood to have been driving a four-wheel drive car at the time of the kidnapping.
The theory suggests that the planned abduction of Maddie involved at least two people and it is claimed that the suspect used a newly-purchased yacht, which was moored about an hour away from Praia da Luz, to leave the country.
Scotland Yard officers involved in the new probe also believe that it is likely the suspect had somehow accessed a key to apartment 5A, where the McCanns stayed with their three children.
The new review – launched in 2011 amid frustration with the bungling of the original investigation, which saw the McCanns wrongly identified as suspects in their daughter’s disappearance – has discovered 195 new leads and 38 persons of interest, including known sex offenders who were in the country at the time.
The Scotland Yard team of up to 37 detectives have re-interviewed the McCanns and their friends who holidayed together and who were eating at the tapas bar in the resort when Maddie went missing. None of them are among the list of 38 individuals police confirmed.
Police also reviewed over 30,000 documents from the Portuguese authorities and material gained from the private investigators hired by the McCanns over the last six years.
The Metropolitan Police team has declared that the “new witnesses and new evidence” points to a likelihood that Maddie is alive and is being held captive in a similar vein to the spate of recovered childhood kidnap victims that have been discovered in Austria and in the US.[/color]
The McCanns and the Met officers have taken hope from these horrific cases and point most recently to the case of Cleveland monster Ariel Castro (52), who kept three young girls captive for a decade until cries for help from one of his victims, Amanda Berry, revealed their existence to the world.
Operation Grange’s Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the new inquiry, says: “The review has given us new thinking, new theories, new evidence and new witnesses.”
The force is understood to have reviewed material from top-secret US spy satellites, which were recording material near the resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared five years ago.
The spy cameras, which can detect the number plate of a car from five miles up, had been denied to the Portuguese authorities, but details of it have been confidentially released to the UK review team to help them with the latest enquiry.
The satellite information – which will be used to help identify cars around the Mark Warner complex – was used to check out a red car which was spotted by witnesses on the night and has now been used to review movement related to the 4x4 vehicle.
Clarence Mitchell, the former BBC reporter and spokesperson for parents Kate and Gerry McCann said: “It was a big step forward in establishing what happened and, hopefully, in bringing to justice whoever is responsible for Madeleine’s abduction.”
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1) The theory is now that a desperate childless couple who couldnt wait for a child went to extreme measures to get one, but, also wanted a child to keep in a dungeon as a sex slave? Did I miss something.
2) When did the Met say what I have bolded in red?
3) US spy satellites reading car number plates? Hogwash I think. As is the suggestion they denied the PT authorities these images,if they exist, but just handed them over to the British when asked.
4) Examples quoted were of teenagers taken, kept for sexual abuse and child rearing, not three yr olds!
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This is possible. But I won't bore you all with supposed details. It is only sufficient to me to believe that this could have happened.
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This is possible. But I won't bore you all with supposed details. It is only sufficient to me to believe that this could have happened.
Oh please Eleanor indulge us. What are these supposed details ?
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POLICE are investigating a childless couple who they suspect could have abducted missing Madeleine McCann.
The pair, who had told friends they would kidnap a child after becoming frustrated with adoption red tape, are among the list of 38 new suspects drawn up by British cops.
And it’s the childless couple theory that is fuelling the last remaining hope that Maddie could still be alive.
The individual is believed to have told friends that he was so frustrated with adoption procedures in a number of countries that “he would take his own child” if necessary.[/color]
SNIP
The Metropolitan Police team has declared that the “new witnesses and new evidence” points to a likelihood that Maddie is alive and is being held captive in a similar vein to the spate of recovered childhood kidnap victims that have been discovered in Austria and in the US
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The McCanns and the Met officers have taken hope from these horrific cases and point most recently to the case of Cleveland monster Ariel Castro (52), who kept three young girls captive for a decade until cries for help from one of his victims, Amanda Berry, revealed their existence to the world.
I am sorry, but to me this doesn't make sense
In the first place a childless couple deperate for a child, willing to abduct !
In the second place
The Metropolitan Police team has declared that the “new witnesses and new evidence” points to a likelihood that Maddie is alive and is being held captive in a similar vein to the spate of recovered childhood kidnap victims that have been discovered in Austria and in the US
Newspaper hype; that's all.................. imo
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She may well be alive and held somewhere, but this article doesn't seem serious to me.
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She may well be alive and held somewhere, but this article doesn't seem serious to me.
As we say in the UK, a load of cobblers on most fronts
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Eta what do you mean Carana by *being held*?By who?
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It's a load of crappola and that's being polite.
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Oh please Eleanor indulge us. What are these supposed details ?
I really can't be bothered to discuss it with you. You are rude and ignorant, and your insults are of no importance to me, anymore than is your opinion.
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This is possible. But I won't bore you all with supposed details. It is only sufficient to me to believe that this could have happened.
Are there precedents then? For desperate childless couples who want a baby or young child to love and bring up to bypass the long and frustrating adoption process, get a child kidnapped and then turn into monsters abusing that child? You brought it up, as possible, so do explain
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Are there precedents then? For desperate childless couples who want a baby or young child to love and bring up to bypass the long and frustrating adoption process, get a child kidnapped and then turn into monsters abusing that child? You brought it up, as possible, so do explain
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Just media rubbiish.
why is it that you take so little notice of official documents, yet make so much of media rubbish?
I agree with Stephen on this one Having read back, have changed my mind
Interesting that a 4 wheel drive was mentioned tho, especially as one was mentioned yesterday in another report
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red
Just media rubbiish.
why is it that you take so little notice of official documents, yet make so uch of media rubbish?
I agree with Stephen on this one
Interesting that a 4 wheel drive was mentioned tho, especially as one was mentioned yesterday in another report
I was addressing Eleanor who said this happens and asked her for evidence, she doesnt think this is media rubbish, perhaps take it up with her, I havemade nothing of this media rubbish except to say it IS rubbish, so why you are fabricating and twisting my posts is beyond me, in the meantime, do not address me again, thank you in advance,but just in case you do, I will stick you on ignore so as not to be badgered, and constantly,goaded,cheers big ears
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I was addressing Eleanor who said this happens and asked her for evidence, she doesnt think this is media rubbish, perhaps take it up with her, I havemade nothing of this media rubbish except to say it IS rubbish, so why you are fabricating and twisting my posts is beyond me, in the meantime, do not address me again, thank you in advance,but just in case you do, I will stick you on ignore so as not to be badgered, and constantly,goaded,cheers big ears
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I'd read the forum rules again, if I were you....
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I'd read the forum rules again, if I were you....
I do, and i break them sometimes, as we all do, thing is your mate broke the rules so badly yesterday she was totally out of order,on so many fronts, thats why she was banged with a 40 per cent watch! Simples
take it up with admin if u have any problems either way, see you now, spooks beckon
Take care
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I do, and i break them sometimes, as we all do, thing is your mate broke the rules so badly yesterday she was totally out of order, thats why she was banged with a 40 per cent watch! Simples
I don't break the rules of this forum and have no "watched" against my name. I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "your mate".
Simples.
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I don't break the rules of this forum and have no "watched" against my name. I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "your mate".
Simples.
Just take time to readback its not rocket science,, bye now
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As we say in the UK, a load of cobblers on most fronts
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Eta what do you mean Carana by *being held*?By who?
If she is alive, presumably someone must be holding / hiding her somewhere.
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I really can't be bothered to discuss it with you. You are rude and ignorant, and your insults are of no importance to me, anymore than is your opinion.
Now there's a suprise @)(++(*
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So, absolutely no point in me attempting to reply.
But I don't think that I suggested that such people would abuse a child just because they desperately wanted a child. I would hope that they wouldn't. But then I hope.
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I was addressing Eleanor who said this happens and asked her for evidence, she doesnt think this is media rubbish, perhaps take it up with her, I havemade nothing of this media rubbish except to say it IS rubbish, so why you are fabricating and twisting my posts is beyond me, in the meantime, do not address me again, thank you in advance,but just in case you do, I will stick you on ignore so as not to be badgered, and constantly,goaded,cheers big ears
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BIG EARS here 8(0(* [calling me big ears is not abuse, is it? lol]
So how have I harrassed, been abusive, false, defamatory, or inaccurate?
Explanation please
The silly thing is Red that I actually agreed with you on that post. I too think it is media hype
And altho I will read the media, much of it is unreliable. I prefer facts.
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So, absolutely no point in me attempting to reply.
But I don't think that I suggested that such people would abuse a child just because they desperately wanted a child. I would hope that they wouldn't. But then I hope.
Well most people who want a child so desperately would not abuse it. That's for sure
Like you, I hope too. 8((()*/
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Well most people who want a child so desperately would not abuse it. That's for sure
Like you, I hope too. 8((()*/
That is the difference, Sadie. Some people hope and some people don't.
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That is the difference, Sadie. Some people hope and some people don't.
And some people are realists.
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And some people are realists.
All sorts of people Faith ... as we have witnessed on here
Some people think they are realists here, but in actual fact they are not, because they go against the evidence and against the Official PT and SY conclusions.
So they are negative fantacists really
dont you agree?
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I doubt the 5 miles up reference has little to do with satellite imagery as satellites orbit at about 250 miles above the earth. Its also quite a camera they refer to which can read a car number plate from above in the dark. Never mind, it is in the Press so it must be true. @)(++(*
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If she is alive, presumably someone must be holding / hiding her somewhere.
Yes, obviously.How does that explain the Mccanns mantra that there is not a shred of evidence that she has come to any harm? A mantra that was repeated almost daily from the first week for years after. Surely they could only say that if they believed that she was snatched for or by a loving childless couple. And if that was the case why was Gerry Mccann saying he thought paedophiles had taken her barely an hour after the alarm was raised? And why did that thought come into his mind then and not before as a possibility of a danger that she might be in by being left alone in an open apartment on the corner of a street accessible by anyone, let alone the dozens of dangers babies and toddlers can encounter when left unattended, and it sounds even worse when he admitted he never ever made a physical check, in some 30 or so checks on that holiday he made a single visual check
And to think they refused to book a babysitter because they disnt trust strangers!
Sorry to bring a few strands of the story together, but when you do it makes less sense
And even if she was taken for *benign* purposes, its still harm, not only being taken away, but most certainly living as a recluse with her *new family* seeing as half the world and its wife were aware of her.
ETA No one has answered me on previous questions I asked regarding three yr olds being taken to live in a lair as the Mccanns PI Dave Edgar said he believed she was within 10 miles of PDL. Her case being likened by many including the Mccanns to teenagers and adult women being abducted and held as sex slaves and breeding machines and who later escaped or were found years later does not compute. I have never ever heard of any case like that, perhaps someone can link to one, I wont hold my breath.
BBL or tomorrow now
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Yes, obviously.How does that explain the Mccanns mantra that there is not a shred of evidence that she has come to any harm? A mantra that was repeated almost daily from the first week for years after. Surely they could only say that if they believed that she was snatched for or by a loving childless couple. And if that was the case why was Gerry Mccann saying he thought paedophiles had taken her barely an hour after the alarm was raised? And why did that thought come into his mind then and not before as a possibility of a danger that she might be in by being left alone in an open apartment on the corner of a street accessible by anyone, let alone the dozens of dangers babies and toddlers can encounter when left unattended, and it sounds even worse when he admitted he never ever made a physical check, in some 30 or so checks on that holiday he made a single visual check
And to think they refused to book a babysitter because they disnt trust strangers!
Sorry to bring a few strands of the story together, but when you do it makes less sense
And even if she was taken for *benign* purposes, its still harm, not only being taken away, but most certainly living as a recluse with her *new family* seeing as half the world and its wife were aware of her.
ETA No one has answered me on previous questions I asked regarding three yr olds being taken to live in a lair as the Mccanns PI Dave Edgar said he believed she was within 10 miles of PDL. Her case being likened by many including the Mccanns to teenagers and adult women being abducted and held as sex slaves and breeding machines and who later escaped or were found years later does not compute. I have never ever heard of any case like that, perhaps someone can link to one, I wont hold my breath.
BBL or tomorrow now
Hope Red
HOPE!
You sound as tho you have enjoyed saying all these things, that many of us worry about, but take care not to hurt sensibilities by going on about.
There is absolutely NO INDICATION that Madeleine is dead. NOR ANY INDICATIONS that she is in the child market, like there were with poor Rui Pedro Mendoca
And every HOPE that we are looking for a findable living young girl.
Red. Do you HOPE that she will be found living and well?
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Hope Red
HOPE!
You sound as tho you have enjoyed saying all these things, that many of us worry about, but take care not to hurt sensibilities by going on about.
There is absolutely NO INDICATION that Madeleine is dead. NOR ANY INDICATIONS that she is in the child market, like there were with poor Rui Pedro Mendoca
And every HOPE that we are looking for a findable living young girl.
Red. Do you HOPE that she will be found living and well?
Cliches, cliches and yet more cliches.
She came to harm in the apartment.
Haven't you got that through your head yet ?
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Cliches, cliches and yet more cliches.
She came to harm in the apartment.
Haven't you got that through your head yet ?
Offer some proof Stephen.
.... anything sensible and I will look at it.
NB You will have to convince SY and the AG too. They believe that The Mccanns are innocent of any criminal act.
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Offer some proof Stephen.
.... anything sensible and I will look at it.
NB You will have to convince SY and the AG too. They believe that The Mccanns are innocent of any criminal act.
Don't you get simple logic ?
Whatever fate occurred to Madeleine took place in the apartment. That's where she disappeared, or is that too simple foryou to grasp ?
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Don't you get simple logic ?
Whatever fate occurred to Madeleine took place in the apartment. That's where she disappeared, or is that too simple foryou to grasp ?
You keep saying that Stephen, with absolutely no indicator and no proof
So how did they do it?
And get away with it?
Purlease.
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Stephen please would you seperate your words from out of the middle of my quote. 8)-)))
Thankyou 8**8:/: