Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2013, 07:29:09 PM
Title: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2013, 07:29:09 PM
Scotland Yard have made it clear that they consider that Maddie was abducted by a stranger and that the MCCannns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest. Scotland Yard are also having regular meetings with the McCanns to keep them updated with the REINVESTIGATION.
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: C.Edwards on September 26, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
Scotland Yard have made it clear that they consider that Maddie was abducted by a stranger and that the MCCannns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest. Scotland Yard are also having regular meetings with the McCanns to keep them updated with the REINVESTIGATION.
a) that's more than one thing b) where's your evidence for any of this - particularly the regular meetings part c) let me just post what I did earlier again as it is particularly relevant here...
Just wondering something out loud here. If - hypothetically, of course - the parents and/or other members of the group WERE, in fact persons of interest or suspects, what would Redwood have said? Would he have announced that to the world's media and had the associated furore blow up? Would he have kept quiet altogether and had the suspicion/innuendo gathering pace (as it would, inevitably, have done) or... and this is just a wild stab here... would he have just said "they're not persons of interest" as he knows that they will be largely left alone for now and SY can get on with whatever they're doing.
If, and again this is entirely hypothetical, they were actually persons of interest and subsequently were investigated/charged/whatever then what are they going to do...? Sue SY for misinformation?
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2013, 07:46:15 PM
a) that's more than one thing b) where's your evidence for any of this - particularly the regular meetings part c) let me just post what I did earlier again as it is particularly relevant here...
Just wondering something out loud here. If - hypothetically, of course - the parents and/or other members of the group WERE, in fact persons of interest or suspects, what would Redwood have said? Would he have announced that to the world's media and had the associated furore blow up? Would he have kept quiet altogether and had the suspicion/innuendo gathering pace (as it would, inevitably, have done) or... and this is just a wild stab here... would he have just said "they're not persons of interest" as he knows that they will be largely left alone for now and SY can get on with whatever they're doing.
If, and again this is entirely hypothetical, they were actually persons of interest and subsequently were investigated/charged/whatever then what are they going to do...? Sue SY for misinformation?
Everything I stated has been said Live by Redwood...the evidence...it was on this forum this afternoon but red deleted her post as she made an absolute fool of herself
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: drummer on September 26, 2013, 07:46:57 PM
Thought Red had started a thread today claiming the opposite? Seems to have disappeared. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Rachel Granada on September 26, 2013, 07:48:38 PM
Scotland Yard have made it clear that they consider that Maddie was abducted by a stranger and that the MCCannns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest. Scotland Yard are also having regular meetings with the McCanns to keep them updated with the REINVESTIGATION.
Why can people not understand this, dave. Kate and Gerry McCann and their friends are not persons of interest.
Simple enough, but people will not accept it.
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Rachel Granada on September 26, 2013, 07:49:39 PM
Everything I stated has been said Live by Redwood...the evidence...it was on this forum this afternoon but red deleted her post as she made an absolute fool of herself
Doesn't matter. As my post points out, he's hardly going to say they ARE persons of interest/suspect even if they are, so it renders the whole thing meaningless until resolved. You therefore have no reason to go on about it as it's not yet been resolved and you cannot possibly resolve the quantum state unless you happen to be Redwood. I'm pretty confident you're not.
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: faithlilly on September 26, 2013, 07:57:23 PM
Scotland Yard have made it clear that they consider that Maddie was abducted by a stranger and that the MCCannns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest. Scotland Yard are also having regular meetings with the McCanns to keep them updated with the REINVESTIGATION.
Are you sure of that? I doubt that any police force in the world would discard the parents without fully investigating them, in a case like this, and would keep them aware of their movements.
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: ferryman on September 26, 2013, 08:03:14 PM
Which is just what we were told before the McCanns were made arguidos !
By a different police force.
UK police do not go out of their way to say that people persons of interest are not persons of interest.
Greg Reardon was commended by police as an exemplary witness in their investigation into the murder of his partner, Joane Yeates.
He was never regarded as a suspect.
Police said it because they meant it ...
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: icabodcrane on September 26, 2013, 08:03:58 PM
Did Scotland Yard ever disclose what new evidence they found that eliminated the McCanns from any possible involvement in their daughter's disappearance ?
I can only presume that whatever the evidence was, it had not been found in July 2008, this written statement was presented in court from the assistant chief constable for Leicestershire :
"While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance"
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: ferryman on September 26, 2013, 08:07:01 PM
Did Scotland Yard ever disclose what new evidence they found that eliminated the McCanns from any possible involvement in their daughter's disappearance ?
I can only presume that whatever the evidence was, it had not been found in July 2008, this written statement was presented in court from the assistant chief constable for Leicestershire :
"While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance"
New evidence?
None needed (to eliminate the McCanns), they just had to read what the PJ and Portuguese prosecutors had already adduced ...
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: ferryman on September 26, 2013, 08:08:11 PM
Did Scotland Yard ever disclose what new evidence they found that eliminated the McCanns from any possible involvement in their daughter's disappearance ?
I can only presume that whatever the evidence was, it had not been found in July 2008, this written statement was presented in court from the assistant chief constable for Leicestershire :
"While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance"
Why do you repeating that canard, made whilst the McCanns were still arguidos?
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Benita on September 26, 2013, 08:14:46 PM
Scotland Yard have made it clear that they consider that Maddie was abducted by a stranger and that the MCCannns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest. Scotland Yard are also having regular meetings with the McCanns to keep them updated with the REINVESTIGATION.
yes that's correct 8((()*/
"NEITHER HER PARENTS OR ANY MEMBER OF THE GROUP THAT WERE WITH HER ARE EITHER PERSONS OF INTEREST OR SUSPECTS." -DCI REDWOOD
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Redblossom on September 26, 2013, 08:15:13 PM
Everything I stated has been said Live by Redwood...the evidence...it was on this forum this afternoon but red deleted her post as she made an absolute fool of herself
For your information I do not have admin or mod rights to be able to delete threads and as a sole poster cannot delete my own posts either, only edit them @)(++(*
Now who is making a fool of themselves >@@(*&)
As for the thread I started last night, it was my interpretation of what he actually said....others will interpret what he said differently....the devil is always in the detail .....he was either not good at being clear or was carefully choosing his words...no where has he categorically said he and SY believe or state as a fact that Madeleine Mccann was abducted....how could he anyway with no evidence? or at least with the evidence in the files, (which SY had not even half gone through when he made that tv appearance) which the PJ thought was not enough to state this as a fact
From 3 minutes in
I see nothing apart from a possibility, but thats my view!
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2013, 08:16:48 PM
For your information I do not have admin or mod rights to be able to delete threads and as a sole poster cannot delete my own posts either, only edit them @)(++(*
Now who is making a fool of themselves >@@(*&)
As for the thread I started last night, it was my interpretation of what he actually said....others will interpret what he said differently....the devil is always in the detail .....he was either not good at being clear or was carefully choosing his words...no where has he categorically said he and SY believe or state as a fact that Madeleine Mccann was abducted....how could he anyway with no evidence? or at least with the evidence in the files, (which SY had not even half gone through when he made that tv appearance) which the PJ thought was not enough to state this as a fact
so who deleted the thread
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2013, 08:17:59 PM
Are you sure of that? I doubt that any police force in the world would discard the parents without fully investigating them, in a case like this, and would keep them aware of their movements.
the evidence was all here today and has been deleted
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: C.Edwards on September 26, 2013, 08:18:48 PM
Why do you repeating that canard, made whilst the McCanns were still arguidos?
"keep" missing in there somewhere, HB? Keep up the grammar standards dear boy, Davel will be incandescent otherwise.
Tell you what. I'll do you a deal. I'll stop posting that bit from the LP if... you'll just find the bit where the LP rescind that statement. It may be on the same piece of paper where the AG override the PJ summary report if that helps you look?
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Mr Gray on September 26, 2013, 08:19:51 PM
why was the evidence deleted
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: C.Edwards on September 26, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
"keep" missing in there somewhere, HB? Keep up the grammar standards dear boy, Davel will be incandescent otherwise.
Tell you what. I'll do you a deal. I'll stop posting that bit from the LP if... you'll just find the bit where the LP rescind that statement. It may be on the same piece of paper where the AG override the PJ summary report if that helps you look?
I daresay that'll be in the report of Stuart Prior which (I hope!) Kate, Gerry and Isabel will have.
Of course, we don't see it on line ...
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Redblossom on September 26, 2013, 08:48:41 PM
Why do you repeating that canard, made whilst the McCanns were still arguidos?
Becuase it was said at the same time that the McCann's were released from arguido status and no evidence has been put forward by the PJ since (and had it done so, it would have triggered a reopening of the case) to change that statement or indeed the PJ's belief that the mcCann's had not been exonerated.
Not forgetting of course that the AG report is NOT judicial finding and that the AG's interpretation was based on a disturbed or incomplete investigation, which is a direct result of the McCann's and their friends killing Rebelo's investigation by refusing to take part in the reconstruction.
Had the McCann's allowed the investigation to complete then the AG's report may have had different conclusions.
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Luz on September 27, 2013, 11:56:02 AM
Scotland Yard have made it clear that they consider that Maddie was abducted by a stranger and that the MCCannns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest. Scotland Yard are also having regular meetings with the McCanns to keep them updated with the REINVESTIGATION.
If you want to keep it straight you have to report what the PJ, the only investigative force, sent to the Public Ministry:
«From the documentation, you will observe that during the investigation various possibilities were contemplated.
As such, consider:
1. abduction, for sexual exploration or other (e.g, later adoption, child trafficking, organ trafficking), without homicide;
2. abduction, followed by homicide with (or without) hiding of the corpse;
3. accidental death, with later hiding of the corpse;» pag 6
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Luz on September 27, 2013, 12:01:31 PM
Getting things straight:
«In conclusion, it results from everything that has been done, despite the efforts that were made and all investigation lines being explored, that it is not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what really happened that night, and about the present location of the missing minor.
On the other hand, it should be referred that this investigation moved itself under conditions of exceptional media exposure, with the publication of many "news" of imprecise, inexact or even false contents, which did not help, in the least, the discovery of the truth and created, many times, a climate of unusual commotion and of lack of serenity.
Therefore, as we do not envision, at the present moment, the execution of any other diligence within the process that might produce any useful result for the process, I submit it to your consideration, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient.»
PJ Final Report, pag 57
Inferring that SY has any potential knowledge just by reading the documents provided by the PJ, Leicestershire Police, the private detectives,...is bogus, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: sadie on September 27, 2013, 12:21:29 PM
Lots of things against Amaral are being deleted on here, on the internet.
All my Leonor torture photographs have been deleted. All my early pictures of a happy well fed, well clothed, Joana have been deleted.
The video showing how easy it would have been for bundleman to get away has been deleted off here and the internet. That video also clearly shows the walled walkways convex curve and how the front door was competely hidden to anyone walking along that path to their apartments
All the evidence gone.
Also Johns imgur image has gone. Not sure what that was.
Have only looked thru 19 pages of my posts, out of 129 .... and I find seven images/videos wiped. All essential evidence. What is going on?
The removal of evidence from the internet. Is this Amarals Ace?
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Luz on September 27, 2013, 12:29:32 PM
Lots of things against Amaral are being deleted on here, on the internet.
All my Leonor torture photographs have been deleted. All my early pictures of a happy well fed, well clothed, Joana have been deleted.
The video showing how easy it would have been for bundleman to get away has been deleted off here and the internet. That video also clearly shows the walled walkways convex curve and how the front door was competely hidden to anyone walking along that path to their apartments
All the evidence gone.
Also Johns imgur image has gone. Not sure what that was.
Have only looked thru 19 pages of my posts, out of 129 .... and I find seven images/videos wiped. All essential evidence. What is going on?
The removal of evidence from the internet. Is this Amarals Ace?
"Your", photoshoped by Marinho Pinto, photos of Leonor are still in the Expresso website. I'm sure your "essential" evidence are there somewhere.
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: sadie on September 27, 2013, 12:49:18 PM
"Your", photoshoped by Marinho Pinto, photos of Leonor are still in the Expresso website. I'm sure your "essential" evidence are there somewhere.
Photoshopped by Marinho Pinto?
I hope he sues you.
So did Dr Ana, the jail director, also fabricate all her evidence? She witnessed the bruises and in horror arranged for them to be photgraphed.
Say she did ... and i hope she sues you too.
I also hope the Mccanns sue you for destroying, and inciting others to destroy, all their Madeleine posters. For potentially helping the abductors.... and potentially helping keep a little stolen girl away from her family
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Redblossom on September 27, 2013, 12:56:14 PM
So did Dr Ana, the jail director, also fabricate all her evidence? She witnessed the bruises and in horror arranged for them to be photgraphed.
Say she did ... and i hope she sues you too.
I also hope the Mccanns sue you for destroying, and inciting others to destroy, all their Madeleine posters. For potentially helping the abductors.... and potentially helping keep a little stolen girl away from her family
better hope Mr Amaral doesnt sue YOU for all the scurrilous stuff you have posted about him @)(++(*
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Luz on September 27, 2013, 01:00:17 PM
So did Dr Ana, the jail director, also fabricate all her evidence? She witnessed the bruises and in horror arranged for them to be photgraphed.
Say she did ... and i hope she sues you too.
I also hope the Mccanns sue you for destroying, and inciting others to destroy, all their Madeleine posters. For potentially helping the abductors.... and potentially helping keep a little stolen girl away from her family
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Redblossom on September 27, 2013, 02:27:15 PM
Perhaps Wayne is one of the persons of interest for SY
Seems Edgar got nowhere with it, ie its factual content
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: John on September 27, 2013, 03:13:10 PM
I can assure Sadie that nothing is ever removed unless it is irrelevant or abusive. Irrelevant posts are usually given a new thread if there are a few of them but this is not always possible given the sheer volume which the forum has experienced over the last six months. Abusive posts and those which quote abusive posts are always expunged completely, once gone there is no way to reinstate them.
Some imgur images have indeed gone since that site routinely deletes images which have not been viewed for some time. When I get a chance I will reinstate them as everything is retained on our own servers. I can assure you that nobody is more annoyed at this than me but it happens sometimes.
There is a moral to this saga, keep within the bounds of the thread topic and don't get involved in forum spates. I wonder who holds the record for removals to date?
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
I can assure Sadie that nothing is ever removed unless it is irrelevant or abusive. Irrelevant posts are usually given a new thread if there are a few of them but this is not always possible given the sheer volume which the forum has experienced over the last six months. Abusive posts and those which quote abusive posts are always expunged completely, once gone there is no way to reinstate them.
Some imgur images have indeed gone since that site routinely deletes images which have not been viewed for some time. When I get a chance I will reinstate them as everything is retained on our own servers. I can assure you that nobody is more annoyed at this than me but it happens sometimes.
There is a moral to this saga, keep within the bounds of the thread topic and don't get involved in forum spates. I wonder who holds the record for removals to date?
John, could you tell me why my posts which were neither irrelevant or abusive have been deleted re reds thread
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Lyall on September 27, 2013, 03:50:32 PM
Are we sure Sadie isn't Maria Isabel Stilwell in disguise >@@(*&)
Interrupting her own lawyer and the judge @)(++(*
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: John on September 27, 2013, 04:19:54 PM
Are we sure Sadie isn't Maria Isabel Stilwell in disguise >@@(*&)
Interrupting her own lawyer and the judge @)(++(*
I don't know whether that comment was intended as flippancy or abuse Lyall but since its Friday and a beautiful day here I will be charitable and give you the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: John on September 27, 2013, 04:21:41 PM
I don't know whether that comment was intended as flippancy or abuse Lyall but since its Friday and a beautiful day here I will be charitable and give you the benefit of the doubt.
Just a daft joke Boss 8()-000(
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Mr Gray on September 27, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
Do you know how many posts I delete or edit every single day davel? Unless you are more specific I cannot answer that question.
The whole of reds thread re..can we get one thing straight ....was deleted
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: LagosBen on September 27, 2013, 07:39:29 PM
I'm new and I'm not being rude but I find it pointless to try and get any reasonable thing going with Redblossom or Luz. More so Luz who posts lies or twists things and when proven wrong -never feels the need to admit she was wrong. God forbid any post that points out Amarals failings. 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: Redblossom on September 27, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
I'm new and I'm not being rude but I find it pointless to try and get any reasonable thing going with Redblossom or Luz. More so Luz who posts lies or twists things and when proven wrong -never feels the need to admit she was wrong. God forbid any post that points out Amarals failings. 8-)(--)
Are you sure you are not confusing differences of opinion and general viewpoints on various matters with unreasonableness? >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Can we get one thing straight
Post by: LagosBen on September 27, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
So did Dr Ana, the jail director, also fabricate all her evidence? She witnessed the bruises and in horror arranged for them to be photgraphed.
Say she did ... and i hope she sues you too.
I also hope the Mccanns sue you for destroying, and inciting others to destroy, all their Madeleine posters. For potentially helping the abductors.... and potentially helping keep a little stolen girl away from her family