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Title: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 08:18:35 AM
Another week, another Katie controversy - her article labelling the victim of a paedophile footballer a slag has received one comment "well said Katie" which has received nearly 11,000 green arrows, what are we to make of this?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Mr Gray on March 08, 2016, 08:21:22 AM
Another week, another Katie controversy - her article labelling the victim of a paedophile footballer a slag has received one comment "well said Katie" which has received nearly 11,000 green arrows, what are we to make of this?
Probably the same people who green arrowed all the antimccann comments
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Lace on March 08, 2016, 10:21:28 AM
Disgusting woman, a fifteen year old is a child he was an adult, he should have been the one to have stopped anything happening.
Katie Hopkins again shows that she is just an ignorant person just out to get attention for money. This young girl is going to be targeted more so now because of her.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 08, 2016, 11:09:27 AM
Disgusting woman, a fifteen year old is a child he was an adult, he should have been the one to have stopped anything happening.
Katie Hopkins again shows that she is just an ignorant person just out to get attention for money. This young girl is going to be targeted more so now because of her.
Once again I find myself in reluctant agreement with Katie Hopkins. Is a girl of fifteen a child unable to decide whether she should take part in sexual activity? What if she's sixteen tomorrow? Does she develop the ability overnight to decide something which she was too young to make a decision on today? That's clearly ridiculous. There is a legal age of consent because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but girls develop at different rates both physically and mentally. Some start chasing boys at thirteen, some are still not too interested at seventeen.
This guy was a complete and utter fool to get involved with this girl, but he doesn't fit my definition of a paedophile.
Years ago women were blamed for everything. If their husband beat them they must have deserved it. If they got raped they had dressed provocatively or 'led the man on' or, in one case I knew of, gone into an army barracks at night and got 'what you would expect' as a result.
The pendulum has now swung the other way and women are seen as completely blameless; it's all the man's fault. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Real paedophiles prey on real children, not fifteen year olds who look and act older. Sensible women don't get themselves into dodgy situations. Sensible men steer well clear of besotted, drunken or unstable women, because they understand the fury of 'a woman scorned'.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 11:11:48 AM
Once again I find myself in reluctant agreement with Katie Hopkins. Is a girl of fifteen a child unable to decide whether she should take part in sexual activity? What if she's sixteen tomorrow? Does she develop the ability overnight to decide something which she was too young to make a decision on today? That's clearly ridiculous. There is a legal age of consent because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but girls develop at different rates both physically and mentally. Some start chasing boys at thirteen, some are still not too interested at seventeen.
This guy was a complete and utter fool to get involved with this girl, but he doesn't fit my definition of a paedophile.
Years ago women were blamed for everything. If their husband beat them they must have deserved it. If they got raped they had dressed provocatively or 'led the man on' or, in one case I knew of, gone into an army barracks at night and got 'what you would expect' as a result.
The pendulum has now swung the other way and women are seen as completely blameless; it's all the man's fault. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Real paedophiles prey on real children, not fifteen year olds who look and act older. Sensible women don't get themselves into dodgy situations. Sensible men steer well clear of besotted, drunken or unstable women, because they understand the fury of 'a woman scorned'.
So this 15 year old should have been considered a woman in your view?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 08, 2016, 12:05:02 PM
So this 15 year old should have been considered a woman in your view?
Fifteen year olds are not women nor are they children. What I'm saying is that this stupid man isn't what I would describe as a paedophile. It's clearly ridiculous when the age of consent can be as low as twelve and as high as nineteen in different countries. So a 'paedophile' in the UK would not be a paedophile in France/
Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
My last paragraph was about the way our society has changed from blaming women for being the victims of crimes to blaming men for everything. The law is black and white but in real life relationships there are grey areas.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 12:12:28 PM
Fifteen year olds are not women nor are they children. What I'm saying is that this stupid man isn't what I would describe as a paedophile. It's clearly ridiculous when the age of consent can be as low as twelve and as high as nineteen in different countries. So a 'paedophile' in the UK would not be a paedophile in France/
Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
My last paragraph was about the way our society has changed from blaming women for being the victims of crimes to blaming men for everything. The law is black and white but in real life relationships there are grey areas.
The point is Katie Hopkins has labelled this "not yet a woman" a slag, and you seem to be agreeing with her - victim blaming again, a favourite British pastime it seems.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 12:34:47 PM
The legal age of consent for sexual activity is 16. The legal age at which one ceases to be a child is 18. Ponder on that one for a while 8(>(( There are places in the world it is best for a man to steer clear of women until they are 21.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Lace on March 08, 2016, 12:41:58 PM
Once again I find myself in reluctant agreement with Katie Hopkins. Is a girl of fifteen a child unable to decide whether she should take part in sexual activity? What if she's sixteen tomorrow? Does she develop the ability overnight to decide something which she was too young to make a decision on today? That's clearly ridiculous. There is a legal age of consent because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but girls develop at different rates both physically and mentally. Some start chasing boys at thirteen, some are still not too interested at seventeen.
This guy was a complete and utter fool to get involved with this girl, but he doesn't fit my definition of a paedophile.
Years ago women were blamed for everything. If their husband beat them they must have deserved it. If they got raped they had dressed provocatively or 'led the man on' or, in one case I knew of, gone into an army barracks at night and got 'what you would expect' as a result.
The pendulum has now swung the other way and women are seen as completely blameless; it's all the man's fault. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Real paedophiles prey on real children, not fifteen year olds who look and act older. Sensible women don't get themselves into dodgy situations. Sensible men steer well clear of besotted, drunken or unstable women, because they understand the fury of 'a woman scorned'.
Did I call him a paedophile?
What I said was, there is a law for a reason, anyone who breaks the law have only themselves to blame.
This girl was fifteen, infatuated with a man who was close to 30, she was a child he was an adult, he should have stopped what happened.
To call this girl a slut to me is disgusting, she was vulnerable, out of her depth.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Mr Gray on March 08, 2016, 12:56:42 PM
Once again I find myself in reluctant agreement with Katie Hopkins. Is a girl of fifteen a child unable to decide whether she should take part in sexual activity? What if she's sixteen tomorrow? Does she develop the ability overnight to decide something which she was too young to make a decision on today? That's clearly ridiculous. There is a legal age of consent because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but girls develop at different rates both physically and mentally. Some start chasing boys at thirteen, some are still not too interested at seventeen.
This guy was a complete and utter fool to get involved with this girl, but he doesn't fit my definition of a paedophile.
Years ago women were blamed for everything. If their husband beat them they must have deserved it. If they got raped they had dressed provocatively or 'led the man on' or, in one case I knew of, gone into an army barracks at night and got 'what you would expect' as a result.
The pendulum has now swung the other way and women are seen as completely blameless; it's all the man's fault. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Real paedophiles prey on real children, not fifteen year olds who look and act older. Sensible women don't get themselves into dodgy situations. Sensible men steer well clear of besotted, drunken or unstable women, because they understand the fury of 'a woman scorned'.
If 15 is ok...whats wrong with 14...or 13...or 12...there are some places in the world where 12 is OK so I suppose you support that too....what a warped world you condemn the mccanns but support a convicted paedophile...speaks volumes about you
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 01:04:50 PM
This is interesting if somewhat bizarre:
Age of Consent in Louisiana
In Louisiana, age of consent laws are more complicated than those of most other states.
There is no definite age of when a minor may consent to sex in Louisiana. Instead, it varies depending on a few factors, such as the age of both parties, and the age difference, if any, between them.
In regards to the age difference, Louisiana is unique because it allows a larger age gap between younger minors than older minors. A person between the ages of 13 and 15 can consent to have sex with someone who is up to 3 years older than them, but a person between the ages of 15 and 17 may consent to sex only if the other person is 2 years older or less. For example, in terms of a 3 years age difference, a 13 year old can consent to sex with a person who is 16 years old, but a 15 year old may not consent to sex with a 18 year old.
However, a person 17 or older can consent to have sex with a person of any age.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: misty on March 08, 2016, 01:17:52 PM
If only the police had made an example of Bill Wyman back in the day, cases like this wouldn't be happening now.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 01:32:02 PM
If only the police had made an example of Bill Wyman back in the day, cases like this wouldn't be happening now.
The most common age of consent in Europe is 15 so it would not have raised eyebrows in any of the following countries unless it were proven to be done for reasons of exploitation: 14:Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia. 15: Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden.
The guy broke a statutory law in the United Kingdom and a pseudo journo made a comment for effect that about sums it up. Were Hopkins not hostile to the McCanns I doubt anyone would be getting in a muck sweat over it. The morality bit is a movable feast depending on where one is geographically. I suppose the Vatican City, Malta & Turkey, all with ages of consent of 18 look down their noses at the rest of Europe.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 01:51:01 PM
The most common age of consent in Europe is 15 so it would not have raised eyebrows in any of the following countries unless it were proven to be done for reasons of exploitation: 14:Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia. 15: Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden.
The guy broke a statutory law in the United Kingdom and a pseudo journo made a comment for effect that about sums it up. Were Hopkins not hostile to the McCanns I doubt anyone would be getting in a muck sweat over it. The morality bit is a movable feast depending on where one is geographically. I suppose the Vatican City, Malta & Turkey, all with ages of consent of 18 look down their noses at the rest of Europe.
Actually my point for raising it today was to challenge the assumption that simply because a comment in the Daily Mail attracts 10,000+ positive green arrows it's not necessarily indicative of the national mood.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: misty on March 08, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
The most common age of consent in Europe is 15 so it would not have raised eyebrows in any of the following countries unless it were proven to be done for reasons of exploitation: 14:Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia. 15: Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden.
The guy broke a statutory law in the United Kingdom and a pseudo journo made a comment for effect that about sums it up. Were Hopkins not hostile to the McCanns I doubt anyone would be getting in a muck sweat over it. The morality bit is a movable feast depending on where one is geographically. I suppose the Vatican City, Malta & Turkey, all with ages of consent of 18 look down their noses at the rest of Europe.
The age of consent in Spain was 13 until recently, now raised to 16. There have been several comments elsewhere online, mostly condemning KH for what she said. Given her history, calling the girl a derogatory name is more than a little hypocritical. It would be more useful for KH to address the real issue - that a woman's role is to be a sexual plaything for a man & a man's role is to be a bottomless cash pit for a woman.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 02:00:46 PM
I guess we can expect an article from Katie Hopkins claiming that the many hundreds of victims of child grooming cases in Rochdale, etc were slags who were asking for it because they were mostly in their teens and knew exactly what they were doing? Or perhaps the fact that the perpetrators in those cases were Muslim she will be less forgiving of those particular paedos? Who knows which way the wind will blow next for Katie Hopkins, just so long as it blows in a stink that's all she seems to care about.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 08, 2016, 02:05:35 PM
....and yet she is still employed.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 08, 2016, 02:10:35 PM
Johnson is a DH and will get stick in prison.
The girl was blagging to her friends she netted a football player. She and/or her family will probably make a mint from this...
Both are as bad as each other.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Mr Gray on March 08, 2016, 02:17:56 PM
The most common age of consent in Europe is 15 so it would not have raised eyebrows in any of the following countries unless it were proven to be done for reasons of exploitation: 14:Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia. 15: Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden.
The guy broke a statutory law in the United Kingdom and a pseudo journo made a comment for effect that about sums it up. Were Hopkins not hostile to the McCanns I doubt anyone would be getting in a muck sweat over it. The morality bit is a movable feast depending on where one is geographically. I suppose the Vatican City, Malta & Turkey, all with ages of consent of 18 look down their noses at the rest of Europe.
incest is legal in some of these counties too...portugal and spain I believe...perhaps i'm just a little old fashioned
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 08, 2016, 02:28:22 PM
If 15 is ok...whats wrong with 14...or 13...or 12...there are some places in the world where 12 is OK so I suppose you support that too....what a warped world you condemn the mccanns but support a convicted paedophile...speaks volumes about you
I never said 15 was OK. It isn't, particularly when the man is much older, but it isn't correct to call him a paedophile imo.
Any age of consent is arbitrary. Obviously no girl becomes mature enough on her birthday to make a decision she wasn't mature enough to make the day before.
It says volumes about you if you think a man is a paedophile if he has sex with a girl the day before her birthday but not if he does it the next day. What a simplistic viewpoint!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: misty on March 08, 2016, 02:29:28 PM
Actually my point for raising it today was to challenge the assumption that simply because a comment in the Daily Mail attracts 10,000+ positive green arrows it's not necessarily indicative of the national mood.
Instead of proving your point all you have done is demonstrate that not everyone has the same views. Recent cases suggest that young men should be very wary if offered casual sex. I abhor rape but there seem to be women around these days who indulge in casual sex and then cry rape later. How nasty and vindictive is that?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 02:45:48 PM
Actually my point for raising it today was to challenge the assumption that simply because a comment in the Daily Mail attracts 10,000+ positive green arrows it's not necessarily indicative of the national mood.
You don't say? Well I'll goo to the foot of our stairs.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 08, 2016, 02:54:20 PM
The age of consent in Spain was 13 until recently, now raised to 16. There have been several comments elsewhere online, mostly condemning KH for what she said. Given her history, calling the girl a derogatory name is more than a little hypocritical. It would be more useful for KH to address the real issue - that a woman's role is to be a sexual plaything for a man & a man's role is to be a bottomless cash pit for a woman.
Oh dear, a bit cynical aren't we? That sounds very much like prostitution. @)(++(* What about house husbands? Does the man become the sexual plaything?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 02:57:09 PM
incest is legal in some of these counties too...portugal and spain I believe...perhaps i'm just a little old fashioned
I don't recalling mentioning incest so why have you? 1) Cue Billy-Bob jokes. 2) Don't try telling the Cajuns or the Germans they have their laws wrong.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 03:00:24 PM
Oh dear, a bit cynical aren't we? That sounds very much like prostitution. @)(++(* What about house husbands? Does the man become the sexual plaything?
It's the modern day equivalent of the hunter & the cave-woman with a hedonistic element thrown in. We haven't really evolved as a species at all, it's just these days the media & others can make a whole load of cash by convincing us we have.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Mr Gray on March 08, 2016, 03:09:55 PM
I don't recalling mentioning incest so why have you? 1) Cue Billy-Bob jokes. 2) Don't try telling the Cajuns or the Germans they have their laws wrong.
the crime was committed in the uk...others have sought to widen the argument to eorope,...why is that
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Mr Gray on March 08, 2016, 03:11:22 PM
I never said 15 was OK. It isn't, particularly when the man is much older, but it isn't correct to call him a paedophile imo.
Any age of consent is arbitrary. Obviously no girl becomes mature enough on her birthday to make a decision she wasn't mature enough to make the day before.
It says volumes about you if you think a man is a paedophile if he has sex with a girl the day before her birthday but not if he does it the next day. What a simplistic viewpoint!
she was closer to 14 than 16..she's a child and he's a paedophile
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 03:16:49 PM
Instead of proving your point all you have done is demonstrate that not everyone has the same views. Recent cases suggest that young men should be very wary if offered casual sex. I abhor rape but there seem to be women around these days who indulge in casual sex and then cry rape later. How nasty and vindictive is that?
What do you think of 15 year old girls who hang out with Asian men, accepting free lifts and fags and booze off them who end up being pimped out by them, were they asking for it too? Are they just being "nasty and vindictive"?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
The age of consent in Spain was 13 until recently, now raised to 16. There have been several comments elsewhere online, mostly condemning KH for what she said. Given her history, calling the girl a derogatory name is more than a little hypocritical. It would be more useful for KH to address the real issue - that a woman's role is to be a sexual plaything for a man & a man's role is to be a bottomless cash pit for a woman.
The sisterhood lost that particular battle to the WAG and ladette culture a good few years since.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 08, 2016, 03:28:45 PM
the crime was committed in the uk...others have sought to widen the argument to eorope,...why is that
You don't seem to have grasped that it makes no sense to label a man a 'paedophile' based purely on where he lives. People are either paedophiles or they're not and it involves more than having sexual relations with a girl or boy who is below the age of consent.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 03:30:44 PM
What do you think of 15 year old girls who hang out with Asian men, accepting free lifts and fags and booze off them who end up being pimped out by them, were they asking for it too? Are they just being "nasty and vindictive"?
Off Topic but: They were victims and what is worse is the authorities in this country have known for at least a quarter of century that it goes on and turned a blind eye to it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Off Topic but: They were victims and what is worse is the authorities in this country have known for at least a quarter of century that it goes on and turned a blind eye to it.
Why is one fifteen year old a "victim" and another a "slag" - perhaps you could explain the fundamental difference to me, as in both cases it seems that girls are being sexually exploited by older men.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 08, 2016, 03:53:00 PM
What do you think of 15 year old girls who hang out with Asian men, accepting free lifts and fags and booze off them who end up being pimped out by them, were they asking for it too? Are they just being "nasty and vindictive"?
Do you honestly believe that men targeting and then pimping young girls out is the same thing as a man meeting a woman socially and being offered casual consensual sex? I think I'll go to the foot of our stairs too. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 04:10:59 PM
Do you honestly believe that men targeting and then pimping young girls out is the same thing as a man meeting a woman socially and being offered casual consensual sex? I think I'll go to the foot of our stairs too. @)(++(*
15 year olds courted, flattered, given gifts, cigarettes alcohol, told they're great, pretty, etc befriended, some even viewed their abusers as their boyfriends, so tell me exactly how it's substantially different? It's grooming isn't it? Isn't that what the footballer was found guilty of? Go to the foot of the stairs and stay there until you can give me a very good reason why one girl is considered by you a victim and the other a slag.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Mr Gray on March 08, 2016, 04:13:41 PM
Do you honestly believe that men targeting and then pimping young girls out is the same thing as a man meeting a woman socially and being offered casual consensual sex? I think I'll go to the foot of our stairs too. @)(++(*
do you feel the sex was consensual...I don't
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Mr Gray on March 08, 2016, 04:14:33 PM
You don't seem to have grasped that it makes no sense to label a man a 'paedophile' based purely on where he lives. People are either paedophiles or they're not and it involves more than having sexual relations with a girl or boy who is below the age of consent.
he is a paedophile
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 08, 2016, 04:44:26 PM
paedophile See definition in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary Line breaks: paedo|phile Pronunciation: /ˈpiːdə(ʊ)fʌɪl/ (US pedophile) Definition of paedophile in English: noun A person who is sexually attracted to children.
on the basis of that i have every right to refer to him as a paedophile
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 08, 2016, 06:01:05 PM
paedophile See definition in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary Line breaks: paedo|phile Pronunciation: /ˈpiːdə(ʊ)fʌɪl/ (US pedophile) Definition of paedophile in English: noun A person who is sexually attracted to children.
on the basis of that i have every right to refer to him as a paedophile
Here was I thinking you were the resident expert on medical matters.
Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger.[1][2] As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Mr Gray on March 08, 2016, 06:07:14 PM
Here was I thinking you were the resident expert on medical matters.
Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger.[1][2] As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
It's paedophilia......
It is quite reasonable to refer to him as a paedophile as I have shown...if you want to defend him that is up to you...I find your defence sickening
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Adam Johnson was found guilty of sexual activity with a child, but he's not a paedophile? Then what is he?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Mr Gray on March 08, 2016, 06:23:01 PM
Way nicer than someone like David Payne, in the topsy turvy world of the Katie-Hopkins supporting "sceptic" I'll wager!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 07:10:11 PM
I guess in Katie Hopkins (and G-Unit's) ideal world this would never have come to court and the girl sent away with a flea in her ear, just like in the good old days, whilst Johnson would be free to have sex with as many 15 year olds as he likes (maybe even a 14 year old or two - after all if she's up for it, and if the age of consent in Botswana is 14, then why the hell not?!...)
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 07:16:52 PM
Why is one fifteen year old a "victim" and another a "slag" - perhaps you could explain the fundamental difference to me, as in both cases it seems that girls are being sexually exploited by older men.
I did not refer to either one as a slag so perhaps you had better direct that particular question elsewhere. The footy star broke the law and Hopkins made ill judged remarks. He is not according to definition a paedophile as the girl was not prepubescent. However are you interested in the girls welfare and the law or are you interested in diverting and manipulating the conversation because Hopkins was openly hostile to the McCanns which judging by previous performance would not sit well with you and demand verbal retribution ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 07:22:29 PM
I did not refer to either one as a slag so perhaps you had better direct that particular question elsewhere. The footy star broke the law and Hopkins made ill judged remarks. He is not according to definition a paedophile as the girl was not prepubescent. However are you interested in the girls welfare and the law or are you interested in diverting and manipulating the conversation because Hopkins was openly hostile to the McCanns which judging by previous performance would not sit well with you and demand verbal retribution ?
I've already told you why I brought the subject up, and subsequently have been engaged in conversation with those who seem eager to defend the indefensible. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you but it's the nature of internet chat rooms.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Brietta on March 08, 2016, 07:29:04 PM
I did not refer to either one as a slag so perhaps you had better direct that particular question elsewhere. The footy star broke the law and Hopkins made ill judged remarks. He is not according to definition a paedophile as the girl was not prepubescent. However are you interested in the girls welfare and the law or are you interested in diverting and manipulating the conversation because Hopkins was openly hostile to the McCanns which judging by previous performance would not sit well with you and demand verbal retribution ?
Katie Hopkins makes her living by making controversial statements about whatever is making the headlines at that particular moment in time.
Anyone who gives what she says the slightest credibility about anything should examine their consciences. Anyone prepared to join in ... particularly when her target is a teenage girl ... probably never had any conscience to begin with.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 07:32:56 PM
Quite. This 15 year old girl now has to contend with Katie Hopkins-inspired public abuse on top of everything else. Let's hope she has strong supportive family around her and the mental strength to deal with it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 08, 2016, 07:33:22 PM
I did not refer to either one as a slag so perhaps you had better direct that particular question elsewhere. The footy star broke the law and Hopkins made ill judged remarks. He is not according to definition a paedophile as the girl was not prepubescent. However are you interested in the girls welfare and the law or are you interested in diverting and manipulating the conversation because Hopkins was openly hostile to the McCanns which judging by previous performance would not sit well with you and demand verbal retribution ?
Well said.
This has become more to do with Hopkins views on the mccanns, than anything else as regards some mccann supporters.
As I said earlier, the man is a DH.
The girl if reported correctly was gloating to her friends about bagging him.
and Hopkins revels in controversy, as it gets her more notice and work.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
I've already told you why I brought the subject up, and subsequently have been engaged in conversation with those who seem eager to defend the indefensible. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you but it's the nature of internet chat rooms.
Reasonable enough. I often wonder why there is a propensity on here for "doing a Humpty Dumpty" in an effort to make a point.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 07:39:04 PM
Katie Hopkins makes her living by making controversial statements about whatever is making the headlines at that particular moment in time.
Anyone who gives what she says the slightest credibility about anything should examine their consciences. Anyone prepared to join in ... particularly when her target is a teenage girl ... probably never had any conscience to begin with.
You are bit slow on the uptake here old stick. Appealing to me like will not work. I don't have a conscience did you not realise?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 08, 2016, 07:51:20 PM
As usual the 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' brigade have gone overboard with hyperbole and accusations. No-one here has defended this stupid footballer. No-one here has accused the girl of being anything but a stupid teenager. All anyone has said is that pedophile is not the correct term to use for this man. Shock horror! Really?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Brietta on March 08, 2016, 08:02:49 PM
As usual the 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' brigade have gone overboard with hyperbole and accusations. No-one here has defended this stupid footballer. No-one here has accused the girl of being anything but a stupid teenager. All anyone has said is that pedophile is not the correct term to use for this man. Shock horror! Really?
lets face it if katie hadent done the article about the mcanns mcann supporters wouldnt care less about this teen
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 08, 2016, 08:23:49 PM
katies article about the mcanns upset the mcann supporters alot more then they have let on imo
Indeed Carly. They tried to maintain the illusion that the mccanns have popular backing, and the comments in the Mail as regards the mccanns, failed comprehensively to show that.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 08, 2016, 08:33:47 PM
As usual the 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' brigade have gone overboard with hyperbole and accusations. No-one here has defended this stupid footballer. No-one here has accused the girl of being anything but a stupid teenager. All anyone has said is that pedophile is not the correct term to use for this man. Shock horror! Really?
It has been entertaining if somewhat predictable.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 08, 2016, 10:06:27 PM
As usual the 'disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' brigade have gone overboard with hyperbole and accusations. No-one here has defended this stupid footballer. No-one here has accused the girl of being anything but a stupid teenager. All anyone has said is that pedophile is not the correct term to use for this man. Shock horror! Really?
Someone here, ie you, has agreed with Katie Hopkins that the victim in this case is a slag and that the footballer should never been prosecuted - or have I misunderstood your support for Katie's views?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 09, 2016, 09:37:38 AM
Someone here, ie you, has agreed with Katie Hopkins that the victim in this case is a slag and that the footballer should never been prosecuted - or have I misunderstood your support for Katie's views?
If you read my posts you may realise that they were all about one thing which Katie Hopkins said;
he’s not a paedophile
I have not said that the girl is a slag or that Johnson shouldn't have been prosecuted. I have also tried to initiate a realistic discussion about 'childhood and the problems with legal definitions of when it ends.
So yes, once again you have misunderstood what my position is. I understand why, too. It's so much easier to lambast someone if you ignore what they actually said and vilify them for what you imagine they said.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 09:49:03 AM
If you read my posts you may realise that they were all about one thing which Katie Hopkins said;
he’s not a paedophile
I have not said that the girl is a slag or that Johnson shouldn't have been prosecuted. I have also tried to initiate a realistic discussion about 'childhood and the problems with legal definitions of when it ends.
So yes, once again you have misunderstood what my position is. I understand why, too. It's so much easier to lambast someone if you ignore what they actually said and vilify them for what you imagine they said.
You informed us yesterday that you agreed with Katie Hopkins. Katie Hopkins article explicity refers to the victim as a slag and her opinion is that the footballer should never have been prosecuted. Perhaps you should have been a little more discerning about which bits of Hopkins vile views you agreed with and which you did not in order to avoid misunderstanding.
So, just to be clear - do you think the victim in this case is a slag? Should the court have considered the victim to be a woman not a child? Do you think the case should have come to court at all? Also: Do you think it is right that the footballer, having been found guilty of sex with a child has been placed on the sex offenders register?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 09, 2016, 10:28:04 AM
You informed us yesterday that you agreed with Katie Hopkins. Katie Hopkins article explicity refers to the victim as a slag and her opinion is that the footballer should never have been prosecuted. Perhaps you should have been a little more discerning about which bits of Hopkins vile views you agreed with and which you did not in order to avoid misunderstanding.
So, just to be clear - do you think the victim in this case is a slag? Should the court have considered the victim to be a woman not a child? Do you think the case should have come to court at all? Also: Do you think it is right that the footballer, having been found guilty of sex with a child has been placed on the sex offenders register?
Why are you so obsessed by Katie Hopkins ?
Is it merely because she denigrated your believed mccanns ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 10:30:37 AM
You informed us yesterday that you agreed with Katie Hopkins. Katie Hopkins article explicity refers to the victim as a slag and her opinion is that the footballer should never have been prosecuted. Perhaps you should have been a little more discerning about which bits of Hopkins vile views you agreed with and which you did not in order to avoid misunderstanding.
So, just to be clear - do you think the victim in this case is a slag? I have said she's a foolish girl. Should the court have considered the victim to be a woman not a child? I have pointed out that the only reason she is defined as a child is geography. It would be nice if the law distinguished between children and adolescents as that would be more realistic. Do you think the case should have come to court at all? Clearly the law as it stands has been broken, so yes. Also: Do you think it is right that the footballer, having been found guilty of sex with a child has been placed on the sex offenders register? A sexual offense has been committed, so yes.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: jassi on March 09, 2016, 10:40:05 AM
I would expect that to be the position of any sensible person.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 09, 2016, 11:02:39 AM
Some people find Katie Hopkins views beyond the pale. Is she so different from others writing for the UK media though? Their views, which were often libelous, have attracted no criticism whatsoever by these same outraged upholders of what is right and reasonable; http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/adjectives-used-by-british-press-to.html
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: John on March 09, 2016, 12:13:13 PM
Some people find Katie Hopkins views beyond the pale. Is she so different from others writing for the UK media though? Their views, which were often libelous, have attracted no criticism whatsoever by these same outraged upholders of what is right and reasonable; http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/adjectives-used-by-british-press-to.html
Her antics on The Apprentice told me all I needed to know about Miss Hopkins.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 12:45:21 PM
Some people find Katie Hopkins views beyond the pale. Is she so different from others writing for the UK media though? Their views, which were often libelous, have attracted no criticism whatsoever by these same outraged upholders of what is right and reasonable; http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/adjectives-used-by-british-press-to.html
So you can't see any difference between Katie Hopkins labelling the 15 year old victim of a sex crime "a slag" and the media labelling Amaral (an incompetent ex-cop with a criminal record) - "a disgrace"? Unbelievable!!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 09, 2016, 12:54:34 PM
I'm not obsessed by Katie Hopkins. It's called "having an online debate" - if you don't like it, don't read it.
The same applies to you alfred.
This is an open forum where people express their views.
I personally can't stand Hopkins for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't not mean she gets all things wrong.
As I said yesterday, the man was a DH and is now paying the price for his actions.
As to the girl involved, she was bragging to her friends. That indicates whether you like it or not, she takes part of the blame, but with the onus still on him.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 12:55:08 PM
Why restrict your definition of what is a child to geography, why not apply history to it too? After all, in the olden days you could get married at 12!!
The fact remains in THIS country in THIS century the age of consent is 16. The footballer knew that, and knew that the girl in question was underage. The court found that he took advantage of his fame and status and groomed her for sexual activity. He was found guilty of sexual activity with a child, and no amount of mealy mouthed apologist nonsense changes that fact.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 12:58:37 PM
This is an open forum where people express their views.
I personally can't stand Hopkins for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't not mean she gets all things wrong.
As I said yesterday, the man was a DH and is now paying the price for his actions.
As to the girl involved, she was bragging to her friends. That indicates whether you like it or not, she takes part of the blame, but with the onus still on him.
You may want to blame her, because that's what people like you like to do - blame the victims. Officially however she is blameless. I'm sure she's going to grow up a much more rounded happier person knowing that Katie Hopkins and a sizeable percentage of the population thinks she's a stupid slag though. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 09, 2016, 12:59:48 PM
You may want to blame her, because that's what people like you like to do - blame the victims. Officially however she is blameless. I'm sure she's going to grow up a much more rounded happier person knowing that Katie Hopkins and a sizeable percentage of the population thinks she's a stupid slag though. 8((()*/
All you can do is give cliches.
You are as bad as Hopkins.
Look at the figures in my previous post.
It might heighten your awareness to the world around you.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: John on March 09, 2016, 01:08:35 PM
You informed us yesterday that you agreed with Katie Hopkins. Katie Hopkins article explicity refers to the victim as a slag and her opinion is that the footballer should never have been prosecuted. Perhaps you should have been a little more discerning about which bits of Hopkins vile views you agreed with and which you did not in order to avoid misunderstanding.
So, just to be clear - do you think the victim in this case is a slag? Should the court have considered the victim to be a woman not a child? Do you think the case should have come to court at all? Also: Do you think it is right that the footballer, having been found guilty of sex with a child has been placed on the sex offenders register?
This kid had only turned fifteen if I recall so the question I have is why was she ever allowed to get involved with this footballer in the first place to the extent she did? Do the parents of these teenagers not have any control over them? Johnston did wrong certainly but others should also take responsibility imo.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
It might heighten your awareness to the world around you.
I'm as bad as Hopkins?? In what way exactly? Do I go around blaming victims in print, writing outrageously offensive articles and getting paid for it?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Carana on March 09, 2016, 01:34:50 PM
I feel sorry for her kids.
Why on earth did she object to chlldren named after geographical locations when one of her children is named "India"? Has she objected to the Bekhams naming their boy "Brooklyn"?
What's the difference between naming a child "Chardonnay" or "Poppy"?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 09, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
Why on earth did she object to chlldren named after geographical locations when one of her children is named "India"? Has she objected to the Bekhams naming their boy "Brooklyn"?
What's the difference between naming a child "Chardonnay" or "Poppy"?
One is a grape and one is a flower ? Both can be used to create interesting byproducts.
Mr & Mrs Kipling were among the front markers in the naming of kids idiosyncrasies.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 09, 2016, 02:03:32 PM
I'm as bad as Hopkins?? In what way exactly? Do I go around blaming victims in print, writing outrageously offensive articles and getting paid for it?
In what way Alfred?
Look at your comments to other posters, who have correctly pointed out that you would not be commenting on this , but for Hopkins comments on the mccanns.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Carana on March 09, 2016, 02:15:23 PM
Katie Hopkins appears to be objecting to the type of name that she (and /or OH) gave to her own children.
Their mum is controversial... but how can these kids defend themselves, even concerning their own given names?
More like a great self publicist. If it wasn't one thing it would be another to make herself noticeable. Had she not made less than flattering remarks about the McCanns this thread wouldn't keep rumbling on. Now I am repeating myself (see my post about a century ago; well it seems like that).
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 09, 2016, 02:50:53 PM
Why restrict your definition of what is a child to geography, why not apply history to it too? After all, in the olden days you could get married at 12!!
The fact remains in THIS country in THIS century the age of consent is 16. The footballer knew that, and knew that the girl in question was underage. The court found that he took advantage of his fame and status and groomed her for sexual activity. He was found guilty of sexual activity with a child, and no amount of mealy mouthed apologist nonsense changes that fact.
Once again you demonstrate your inability to comprehend nuances. You seem to think the law is not to be questioned so I assume you support the public beheadings, stonings and lashings carried out in countries like Saudi Arabia? After all, those convicted knew the law and the penalties they faced, so the mealy mouthed objectors wingeing on about human rights should just shut up, shouldn't they?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 03:57:01 PM
Once again you demonstrate your inability to comprehend nuances. You seem to think the law is not to be questioned so I assume you support the public beheadings, stonings and lashings carried out in countries like Saudi Arabia? After all, those convicted knew the law and the penalties they faced, so the mealy mouthed objectors wingeing on about human rights should just shut up, shouldn't they?
FFS reduction ad absurdum in extremis. @)(++(* FYI: I , together with the girl in question and the perpetrator, live in the UK, not Saudi Arabia. This thread is not about Saudi law, it is about the fact that some 28 year old footballer fingered a (just) 15 year old, and you, together with Katie Hopkins, think that it's the 15 year old's fault for being such an idiot and / or slapper. If you seriously think the law is flawed in this respect then I suggest you start campaigning for a reduction in the age of consent - what do you reckon it should be? 15? 14? 13? 12? Younger?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Angelo222 on March 09, 2016, 04:13:21 PM
Strictly speaking Johnson is not a paedophile. A paedophile is someone with a history of grooming young prepubescent children for sex.
Johnson made a stupid mistake in doing what he did and no doubt regrets it dearly. Not only has he lost his career as a footballer and all that goes with it but he will hereinafter be tainted by the scandal.
The girl for her part was equally stupid but knew what she was doing, the fact that this abuse was not an isolated occurrence but happened on several occasions mitigates the crime somewhat. Did the girl have her own agenda, legally a child or not??
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 09, 2016, 05:01:41 PM
Strictly speaking Johnson is not a paedophile. A paedophile is someone with a history of grooming young prepubescent children for sex.
Johnson made a stupid mistake in doing what he did and no doubt regrets it dearly. Not only has he lost his career as a footballer and all that goes with it but he will hereinafter be tainted by the scandal.
The girl for her part was equally stupid but knew what she was doing, the fact that this abuse was not an isolated occurrence but happened on several occasions mitigates the crime somewhat. Did the girl have her own agenda, legally a child or not??
And for those who wish to play "the child card", in this country anyone under 18 is legally a child. So.......?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 05:36:17 PM
Strictly speaking Johnson is not a paedophile. A paedophile is someone with a history of grooming young prepubescent children for sex.
Johnson made a stupid mistake in doing what he did and no doubt regrets it dearly. Not only has he lost his career as a footballer and all that goes with it but he will hereinafter be tainted by the scandal.
The girl for her part was equally stupid but knew what she was doing, the fact that this abuse was not an isolated occurrence but happened on several occasions mitigates the crime somewhat. Did the girl have her own agenda, legally a child or not??
A stupid mistake? Surely it was a bit more than that. He KNOWINGLY had sexual activity with a child. He DELIBERATELY broke the law.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 09, 2016, 07:09:29 PM
FFS reduction ad absurdum in extremis. @)(++(* FYI: I , together with the girl in question and the perpetrator, live in the UK, not Saudi Arabia. This thread is not about Saudi law, it is about the fact that some 28 year old footballer fingered a (just) 15 year old, and you, together with Katie Hopkins, think that it's the 15 year old's fault for being such an idiot and / or slapper. If you seriously think the law is flawed in this respect then I suggest you start campaigning for a reduction in the age of consent - what do you reckon it should be? 15? 14? 13? 12? Younger?
So you only support UK laws, not all laws? @)(++(*
I see your language is becoming coarser as it usually does when you get annoyed.
I have not said that I blamed the girl. That's twice you've accused me of saying things I didn't say. Once more and for the first time ever I will be reporting someone.
The age of consent will be arbitrary wherever you place it. Yet again, it's not the age of consent I object to, it's people saying this man is a paedophile when he isn't.
I would like the law to distinguish between sexual crimes involving children and those involving adolescents. That might educate the gutter press and those members of the 'general poblic' who believe what they read in those rags to understand the difference between an undeveloped child and a teenager who may be as developed physically as an adult. True pedophiles are attracted to one but not to the other.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 09, 2016, 08:08:14 PM
A stupid mistake? Surely it was a bit more than that. He KNOWINGLY had sexual activity with a child. He DELIBERATELY broke the law.
We all know this guy was a complete idiot. He isn't, however, a pedophile. He isn't the first mature man to be stupid enough to be flattered when a young girl falls for him.
Another incorrect headline, which was corrected in the 'Comments' section;
Paedophile teacher Jeremy Forrest http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3155828/Paedophile-teacher-Jeremy-Forrest-dumps-teenage-girl-ran-away-France-set-released-prison-today.html
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 08:18:47 PM
So you only support UK laws, not all laws? @)(++(*
I see your language is becoming coarser as it usually does when you get annoyed.
I have not said that I blamed the girl. That's twice you've accused me of saying things I didn't say. Once more and for the first time ever I will be reporting someone.
The age of consent will be arbitrary wherever you place it. Yet again, it's not the age of consent I object to, it's people saying this man is a paedophile when he isn't.
I would like the law to distinguish between sexual crimes involving children and those involving adolescents. That might educate the gutter press and those members of the 'general poblic' who believe what they read in those rags to understand the difference between an undeveloped child and a teenager who may be as developed physically as an adult. True pedophiles are attracted to one but not to the other.
No I do not support ALL laws, what is funny about that? Why would I support laws within tyrannical, despotic regimes like SA or North Korea? You're simply deflecting by bringing other countries' laws into this discussion. They are not relevant and it is absolutely absurd that you brought them into this conversation.
Your objection to the poor old footballer being labelled a paedo has been noted. I'm sure he'd be most thankful for your support in this matter. Have you perhaps considered spearheading a campaign to change the law, seeing as you seem to feel so strongly about this matter?
And as for your claim that you don't blame the girl in this case, that is IMO blatantly false going by what you have written before, but by all means report me if it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 08:21:38 PM
We all know this guy was a complete idiot. He isn't, however, a pedophile. He isn't the first mature man to be stupid enough to be flattered when a young girl falls for him.
Another incorrect headline, which was corrected in the 'Comments' section;
Paedophile teacher Jeremy Forrest http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3155828/Paedophile-teacher-Jeremy-Forrest-dumps-teenage-girl-ran-away-France-set-released-prison-today.html
So you think it was a mistake, and that he didn't deliberately and knowingly engage in sexual relations with a child?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 09, 2016, 08:22:43 PM
No I do not support ALL laws, what is funny about that? Why would I support laws within tyrannical, despotic regimes like SA or North Korea? You're simply deflecting by bringing other countries' laws into this discussion. They are not relevant and it is absolutely absurd that you brought them into this conversation.
Your objection to the poor old footballer being labelled a paedo has been noted. I'm sure he'd be most thankful for your support in this matter. Have you perhaps considered spearheading a campaign to change the law, seeing as you seem to feel so strongly about this matter?
And as for your claim that you don't blame the girl in this case, that is IMO blatantly false going by what you have written before, but by all means report me if it makes you feel better.
Who forced the girl to meet the DH several times alfred ?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 08:24:27 PM
Once again I find myself in reluctant agreement with Katie Hopkins. Is a girl of fifteen a child unable to decide whether she should take part in sexual activity? What if she's sixteen tomorrow? Does she develop the ability overnight to decide something which she was too young to make a decision on today? That's clearly ridiculous. There is a legal age of consent because there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but girls develop at different rates both physically and mentally. Some start chasing boys at thirteen, some are still not too interested at seventeen.
This guy was a complete and utter fool to get involved with this girl, but he doesn't fit my definition of a paedophile.
Years ago women were blamed for everything. If their husband beat them they must have deserved it. If they got raped they had dressed provocatively or 'led the man on' or, in one case I knew of, gone into an army barracks at night and got 'what you would expect' as a result.
The pendulum has now swung the other way and women are seen as completely blameless; it's all the man's fault. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Real paedophiles prey on real children, not fifteen year olds who look and act older. Sensible women don't get themselves into dodgy situations. Sensible men steer well clear of besotted, drunken or unstable women, because they understand the fury of 'a woman scorned'.
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Proof that you DO partly blame the 15 year old victim in this case, she is certainly not blameless according to your paragraph above.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: stephen25000 on March 09, 2016, 08:32:05 PM
Another week, another Katie controversy - her article labelling the victim of a paedophile footballer a slag has received one comment "well said Katie" which has received nearly 11,000 green arrows, what are we to make of this?
What anyone and everyone who is interested and reads cares to make of it as and when she ever comments.That's all, with a caveat of that she is a journalist and her words may seem to carry more weight/be thought about by the the great unwashed reading public and have some influence, but really all she is is a coarser version of any tv sun type journo and alot of politicians and various other talking heads...much ado about nothing imo..oh hang on
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 09, 2016, 09:12:18 PM
Proof that you DO partly blame the 15 year old victim in this case, she is certainly not blameless according to your paragraph above.
Either I'm very bad at saying what I mean or you're very bad at understanding my posts. I do try to be clear and you seem to be the only one who can't understand what I mean.
I was talking about the modern trend to see women as always innocent and men as always guilty as opposed to the opposite being true when I was young. Note WOMEN not girls.
I also talked about pedophiles not being attracted to teenage girls which makes accusing the footballer of being a pedophile incorrect.
I apologise if I confused you by discussing two different issues in the same paragraph.
The girl behaved foolishly. She did what teenage 'groupies' have always done; threw herself at someone she was infatuated with. Mature men know better than to get involved with such girls, (jail bait they used to call them) and the infatuation passes with no-one getting hurt. In this case the man was also foolish and took it too far. As he is the one who was old enough to know better he is the one to blame. But he isn't a paedophile.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 10:16:02 PM
Either I'm very bad at saying what I mean or you're very bad at understanding my posts. I do try to be clear and you seem to be the only one who can't understand what I mean.
I was talking about the modern trend to see women as always innocent and men as always guilty as opposed to the opposite being true when I was young. Note WOMEN not girls.
I also talked about pedophiles not being attracted to teenage girls which makes accusing the footballer of being a pedophile incorrect.
I apologise if I confused you by discussing two different issues in the same paragraph.
The girl behaved foolishly. She did what teenage 'groupies' have always done; threw herself at someone she was infatuated with. Mature men know better than to get involved with such girls, (jail bait they used to call them) and the infatuation passes with no-one getting hurt. In this case the man was also foolish and took it too far. As he is the one who was old enough to know better he is the one to blame. But he isn't a paedophile.
Fabulous. So now we have established that, unlike Katie Hopkins (who you earlier claimed to agree with) you actually DON'T blame the 15 year old victim in any way shape or form for the footballer's actions, nor do you believe she behaved like a slag, as Katie Hopkins does. So, apart from your shared view re: the paedophile label being incorrectly applied, you don't actually agree with much of Hopkins' article at all!
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on March 09, 2016, 11:25:11 PM
Fabulous. So now we have established that, unlike Katie Hopkins (who you earlier claimed to agree with) you actually DON'T blame the 15 year old victim in any way shape or form for the footballer's actions, nor do you believe she behaved like a slag, as Katie Hopkins does. So, apart from your shared view re: the paedophile label being incorrectly applied, you don't actually agree with much of Hopkins' article at all!
Perhaps I didn't state my position clearly enough for you to understand it.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 09, 2016, 11:41:20 PM
Yes that you both agree with and disagree with Katie Hopkins article simultaneously.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 10, 2016, 03:02:11 PM
"The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function".
F Scott Fitzgerald.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 10, 2016, 04:18:42 PM
"The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function".
F Scott Fitzgerald.
Your dogged support of everyone on this forum with a "sceptic" slant no matter what their pov is on other matters is most touching / most nauseating.
8(>((
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 10, 2016, 06:41:34 PM
Your dogged support of everyone on this forum with a "sceptic" slant no matter what their pov is on other matters is most touching / most nauseating.
8(>((
I would have thought you realised by now just what is in my cross hairs and why ?. The Fitzgerald quote was a pop at your post not particularly support of Stevo or G-Unit.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: ferryman on March 10, 2016, 07:24:08 PM
In the UK the age of consent is 16
How far was this youngster from her 16th birthday?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: mercury on March 10, 2016, 07:29:35 PM
How far was this youngster from her 16th birthday?
About a year which makes him at 30 a perverted immoral s..mbag...obviously he doesnt have daughters or sisters , if he does then he is a perverted s..mbag thrice over
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 10, 2016, 08:27:02 PM
I would have thought you realised by now just what is in my cross hairs and why ?. The Fitzgerald quote was a pop at your post not particularly support of Stevo or G-Unit.
Perhaps you could explain how it was a pop at my post, and not supportive of G-Unit?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: ferryman on March 10, 2016, 08:35:31 PM
It would seem this whole thing came to light because the young woman concerned boasted of it.
The law is that the legal age of consent is 16.
Then there is an age between 13 and 16 when (usually girls) are deemed capable of giving consent, are not legally permitted to do so.
Where there that occurs (and the court is satisfied consent was given) an offence has been committed, but less serious than rape.
That seems to be what Johnson is guilty of.
He has been unfaithful to his long-term girl-friend or wife.
But that is not a crime.
That is a strictly private matter between him and her.
I am no fan of Katie Hopkins.
But I (veer towards) her take on this issue.
I think the question of how close this girl was to her 16th birthday is crucial.
It is a measure of how far the footballer was from not breaking any laws at all.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 10, 2016, 08:41:14 PM
No, can't see it myself, it looks like a clear endorsement of the genius of G-Unit to me.
Not a bad poster by any stretch, in fact the opposite, always clear concise , reasonable and polite,and level headed, does not do ad homs, gives links for most statements (as per forum rules and shamelessly lacking in alot of others) and wont be BULLIED, shame we dont have more like her eyy?
8((()*/
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 10, 2016, 10:22:19 PM
Not a bad poster by any stretch, in fact the opposite, always clear concise , reasonable and polite,and level headed, does not do ad homs, gives links for most statements (as per forum rules and shamelessly lacking in alot of others) and wont be BULLIED, shame we dont have more like her eyy?
8((()*/
I'm sure she'll be utterly chuffed to receive such a glowing commendation from an exemplary forum member such as yourself. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 10, 2016, 10:24:47 PM
I'm sure she'll be utterly chuffed to receive such a glowing commendation from an exemplary forum member such as yourself. 8((()*/
time for your pipette and slippers? And/or dressing gown? If you thnk you have some right to misrepresent and twist others postings then expect a response, simples dear...its the same principle for anyone in the spotlight, the mccanns get stories orinted, fair game for reaponse to anythng said, not censorship and blackballing, pah..dont want comments? Dont do interviews or write books
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 10, 2016, 11:12:00 PM
time for your pipette and slippers? And/or dressing gown? If you thnk you have some right to misrepresent and twist others postings then expect a response, simples dear...its the same principle for anyone in the spotlight, the mccanns get stories orinted, fair game for reaponse to anythng said, not censorship and blackballing, pah..dont want comments? Dont do interviews or write books
Pardin? &%+((£
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: sika on March 12, 2016, 12:48:15 AM
%56& %56&. Please delete this thread. That vile c..t has no place on this forum.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 12, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
Who are you talking about? Katie Hopkins? If so I think you'll find there are a few people who are in agreement with her about a number of issues.
And some people have an issue with freedom of thought and freedom of speech and some of them are McCann Supporters.
There are some issues I agree with people who I do not like very much and KH is one of them i agree with on occasion.
Johnston was a bufoon, not a paedophile, the girl has the morals of a stoat, she loved the attention until it turned on her, and her parents were going to find out...'manipulative little scheamer' comes to mind. She will need compensation ofcourse to help her...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on April 05, 2016, 08:37:58 AM
I wonder why this person got 4 years and Johnston got 6 years?
Paedophile Met police officer sacked after having sex with underage girl TOM MARSHALL 14 hours ago
Sacked: Paedophile London police officer John Wigglesworth A Metropolitan Police officer has been sacked after being jailed for having sex with a 14-year-old girl.
Pc John Wigglesworth, 46, was dismissed without notice today after he was jailed for sexual activity with a girl he groomed online.
A Scotland Yard disciplinary hearing found the crime amounted to gross misconduct.
He was jailed for four years in February and put on the Sex Offenders Register for life after admitting sexual activity with a child.
The officer had made contact with the teenager on the NetLog site in 2007.
Detective Chief Superintendent Matthew Gardner said: "Pc Wigglesworth has completely breached the trust the public placed in him as a police officer by taking advantage of a vulnerable child.
"She was exactly the kind of person he had sworn to protect. The court has rightly sentenced him to a considerable period in prison and he has now been dismissed from the service."
Wigglesworth was suspended when he was arrested in August 2015, and his salary was stopped when he was sentenced, Scotland Yard said.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: sika on April 05, 2016, 09:14:08 AM
I wonder why this person got 4 years and Johnston got 6 years?
Paedophile Met police officer sacked after having sex with underage girl TOM MARSHALL 14 hours ago
Sacked: Paedophile London police officer John Wigglesworth A Metropolitan Police officer has been sacked after being jailed for having sex with a 14-year-old girl.
Pc John Wigglesworth, 46, was dismissed without notice today after he was jailed for sexual activity with a girl he groomed online.
A Scotland Yard disciplinary hearing found the crime amounted to gross misconduct.
He was jailed for four years in February and put on the Sex Offenders Register for life after admitting sexual activity with a child.
The officer had made contact with the teenager on the NetLog site in 2007.
Detective Chief Superintendent Matthew Gardner said: "Pc Wigglesworth has completely breached the trust the public placed in him as a police officer by taking advantage of a vulnerable child.
"She was exactly the kind of person he had sworn to protect. The court has rightly sentenced him to a considerable period in prison and he has now been dismissed from the service."
Wigglesworth was suspended when he was arrested in August 2015, and his salary was stopped when he was sentenced, Scotland Yard said.
Until you know the details of both cases, you'll have to keep on wondering.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on April 05, 2016, 09:34:46 AM
guilty by a majority verdict of carrying out a sex act on her
John Wrigglesworth;
guilty to one count of sexual activity with a child
What is your point?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2016, 08:13:04 PM
Just wondering why one man got 4 years and the other 6 years. The one who got 4 years was in a profession with more responsibility towards vulnerable people, the age difference was greater and the girl was younger.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: sika on April 06, 2016, 08:22:35 PM
Just wondering why one man got 4 years and the other 6 years. The one who got 4 years was in a profession with more responsibility towards vulnerable people, the age difference was greater and the girl was younger.
I take your point, but surely you must appreciate that there are many other factors to consider, when determining the length of sentence.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on April 06, 2016, 08:24:06 PM
Of course. I was just wondering what they were.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Admin on April 09, 2016, 09:32:25 AM
Just wondering why one man got 4 years and the other 6 years. The one who got 4 years was in a profession with more responsibility towards vulnerable people, the age difference was greater and the girl was younger.
You will find that altough there are sentencing guidelines that there are judges out there who do their own thing. It isn't the first time that a judge has given a suspended sentence to someone for ths type of crime.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: ChloeR on May 11, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
This is by far one of the more tame comments of this vile woman. I have to agree with those who have pointed out that this is really nothing to do with calling the girl a slag, but because she did a negative article on the McCanns..which is quite sad really.
I am kinda in agreement about the whole 'hes not a paedophile' thing too. Not sure what the 'official' explanation is but I wouldn't call someone who sleeps with a 15 year old a paedophile as a 15 year old is not really a child..I associate paedophiles with children children. Pre-pubescent is probably the best way to put it...kids that look like kids, not adults.
The guy definitely did wrong though, made even worse by the googling of 'age of consent' and stuff. He knew he was doing wrong and continued doing so. I do not think the girl is this innocent flower of a victim though and I am sure she will get a nice payday out of all of this.
Still, the guy was stupid, he deserves it.
Don't really understand why people get so wound up by Hopkins. She is a professional troll..and will continue to be so as it keeps the money rolling in. If people who dislike her and her 'views' (I say this as I dont believe she believes half the stuff she comes out with) just ignored her rather than foaming at the mouth about it everytime she says something ridiculous..she would disappear into the obscurity she belongs in. Unfortunately people cannot help talking about her so she is here to stay for a while yet...
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfie on June 01, 2016, 10:58:51 PM
Katie Hopkins sinks to a new low
@KTHopkins Having seen the state of the parents who let their son in a gorilla pen, #Harambe could have done mankind a favour..if we hadn't shot him. RETWEETS 96 LIKES 349
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: misty on June 01, 2016, 11:09:22 PM
@KTHopkins Having seen the state of the parents who let their son in a gorilla pen, #Harambe could have done mankind a favour..if we hadn't shot him. RETWEETS 96 LIKES 349
Has she mentioned Richard Huckle in the same context?
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 05, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
@KTHopkins Having seen the state of the parents who let their son in a gorilla pen, #Harambe could have done mankind a favour..if we hadn't shot him. RETWEETS 96 LIKES 349
100,000 Gorillas on the planet, compared to 7.4 Billion Humans.
They shot the wrong ape.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: G-Unit on June 05, 2016, 01:21:40 PM
I wouldn't judge individual human beings but viewed as a species we have reached plague proportions, endangering many other species of plant, animal, bird and insect. We are now endangering the planet itself. The eventual consequences could be self-destruction in my opinion.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 05, 2016, 01:37:36 PM
I wouldn't judge individual human beings but viewed as a species we have reached plague proportions, endangering many other species of plant, animal, bird and insect. We are now endangering the planet itself. The eventual consequences could be self-destruction in my opinion.
Indeed. As a species, humans are the s..m of the earth. Destructive, polluting, overpopulating s..m.
I sincerely hope we get wiped out by our own doing. Religious war or poisoned by our own powerstations.
It's the very least we deserve.
Title: Re: Katie Hopkins labels sex abuse victim 'a slag'!
Post by: Alfie on June 06, 2016, 06:02:08 PM
Killing 7.4 billion humans is not redressing the balance for the death of one gorilla. It's a bit of an over-reaction, but you do whatever you think proportionate and reasonable. Good luck.