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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on December 27, 2017, 12:05:35 AM
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It has not been a good year for the McCanns what with the Portuguese Supreme Court ruling confirming the earlier decision by the Appeal Court to uphold the appeal by Goncalo Amaral in the damages case McCann v Amaral & Others. To add insult to injury however, the Supreme Court felt they needed to go further and included within their decision the clarification that the McCanns had not been cleared. This clarification was itself appealed by the McCanns but yet again rejected by the Court.
Lets hope 2018 is more kind to them and their 'search' for Madeleine.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7937.0
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8159.msg391689#msg391689
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206214/Court-says-Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-HAVEN-T-cleared.html
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It has not been a good year for the McCanns what with the Portuguese Supreme Court ruling confirming the earlier decision by the Appeal Court to uphold the appeal by Goncalo Amaral in the damages case McCann v Amaral & Others. To add insult to injury however, the Supreme Court felt they needed to go further and included within their decision the clarification that the McCanns had not been cleared. This was appealed by the McCanns but yet again rejected by the Court.
Lets hope 2018 is more kind to them and their 'search' for Madeleine.
I would love to see Madeleine's case categorically resolved one way or the other, preferably with a happy solution. Maybe 2018 will be the year for that to happen.
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I would love to see Madeleine's case categorically resolved one way or the other, preferably with a happy solution. Maybe 2018 will be the year for that to happen.
I would too Brietta but I think we need to be realistic.
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I would love to see Madeleine's case categorically resolved one way or the other, preferably with a happy solution. Maybe 2018 will be the year for that to happen.
If on the slimmest chance Madeleine was still alive I'm hoping she connects to Facebook and someone recognises her. But I can foresee issues here too for she may no longer be speaking English. Also she may not link to a site that has any connection to the McCann case. It is rather difficult to think how a site would be of interest to a 14 year old and have a connection to the McCann case. I did see one that had the right ingredients as it had real "girl appeal" as the site did makeup tutorials and channel holder discussed other matters as well.
Channel owner "Bella Fiori" with an amazing 1.4 million subscribers https://youtu.be/lvlmWBQodmI "THE DISAPPEARANCE OF MADELEINE MCCANN" who is going to check through 1.4 million subscribers to see if one of them is possibly Madeleine McCann?
I've heard they are developing analytical methods and other programs that do facial recognition, that could identify missing persons joining social media sites. Way beyond the means of amateur sleuths like us.
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I think its been another awful year for the Mccanns because they are still without their daughter
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I think the McCanns sustained quite a few blows during 2017. Their attempts to defeat Amaral finally failed, leaving them financially worse off and their claims of being 'cleared' by the first investigation were found to be false. Operation Grange appeared to be a restricted investigation following only one line of inquiry because of misunderstanding the findings of the first investigation. Not a good year imo.
January 2017;
Statement from Gerry and Kate Regarding Portuguese Supreme Court Ruling
What we have been told by our lawyers is obviously extremely disappointing.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/DAYS_2596.htm#d3561
February 2017
Kate and Gerry McCann have been dealt another cruel blow as a Portuguese court failed to put them in the clear over the disappearance of daughter Madeleine.
The couple were ruled out as formal suspects, or “arguidos”, back in 2008 – but in newly released court papers, judges have specified that this does not equate to a ruling of ¬innocence.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/mirror_08_02_2017.htm
March 2017
McCann’s “frivolity” complaint rejected. Gonçalo Amaral’s ‘libel win’ confirmed for 3rd time
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/PortugalResident_21_03_2017.htm
Apeil 2017
A C Mark Rowley contradicts the ruling of the Supreme Court of Portugal by saying that the question of the parent's involvement in Madeleine's disappearance was 'dealt with' by the first investigation.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/MET_25_04_2017s.htm
May 2017
Colin Sutton suggests there were no-go areas in the Operation Grange inquiry;
However, before this, just a few days after the NotW story I did receive a call from a senior officer in the Met whom I knew quite well. This officer told me I would do better to avoid the McCann investigation if it did happen, because "You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/Colin_Sutton_09_05_2017.htm
Operation Grange's narrow remit to focus only on the theory that the four-year-old was abducted from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal was unusual and a "missed opportunity", Sutton told nine.com.au.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/9News_15_05_2017.htm
September 2017
There are multiple mixed messages as the parents of missing Madeleine McCann are reported to be taking their three-time court defeat in Portugal to the very last point of appeal: the European Court of Human Rights.
.....according to the UK Sun - which led with an ‘exclusive’ yesterday on what it is calling “a last ditch appeal” against a “shameless ex police chief” - the reasons for the McCann’s new legal bid lie not simply in the fact that they “are desperately upset at Amaral’s claims”, but also that they are “shattered” that Portugal’s top judges did not accept that they had “successfully proved their innocence”.
.....the UK press fails to understand that Maddie’s parents can only make a case against the Portuguese state, and not against an individual person.
“For Gonçalo Amaral, the case is over. Done and dusted. He won, and the McCanns can’t ignore the decision simply because they are going to the ECHR”.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/PortugalRes_10_09_2017.htm
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I think the McCanns sustained quite a few blows during 2017. Their attempts to defeat Amaral finally failed, leaving them financially worse off and their claims of being 'cleared' by the first investigation were found to be false. Operation Grange appeared to be a restricted investigation following only one line of inquiry because of misunderstanding the findings of the first investigation. Not a good year imo.
January 2017;
Statement from Gerry and Kate Regarding Portuguese Supreme Court Ruling
What we have been told by our lawyers is obviously extremely disappointing.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/DAYS_2596.htm#d3561
February 2017
Kate and Gerry McCann have been dealt another cruel blow as a Portuguese court failed to put them in the clear over the disappearance of daughter Madeleine.
The couple were ruled out as formal suspects, or “arguidos”, back in 2008 – but in newly released court papers, judges have specified that this does not equate to a ruling of ¬innocence.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/mirror_08_02_2017.htm
March 2017
McCann’s “frivolity” complaint rejected. Gonçalo Amaral’s ‘libel win’ confirmed for 3rd time
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/PortugalResident_21_03_2017.htm
Apeil 2017
A C Mark Rowley contradicts the ruling of the Supreme Court of Portugal by saying that the question of the parent's involvement in Madeleine's disappearance was 'dealt with' by the first investigation.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/MET_25_04_2017s.htm
May 2017
Colin Sutton suggests there were no-go areas in the Operation Grange inquiry;
However, before this, just a few days after the NotW story I did receive a call from a senior officer in the Met whom I knew quite well. This officer told me I would do better to avoid the McCann investigation if it did happen, because "You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/Colin_Sutton_09_05_2017.htm
Operation Grange's narrow remit to focus only on the theory that the four-year-old was abducted from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal was unusual and a "missed opportunity", Sutton told nine.com.au.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/9News_15_05_2017.htm
September 2017
There are multiple mixed messages as the parents of missing Madeleine McCann are reported to be taking their three-time court defeat in Portugal to the very last point of appeal: the European Court of Human Rights.
.....according to the UK Sun - which led with an ‘exclusive’ yesterday on what it is calling “a last ditch appeal” against a “shameless ex police chief” - the reasons for the McCann’s new legal bid lie not simply in the fact that they “are desperately upset at Amaral’s claims”, but also that they are “shattered” that Portugal’s top judges did not accept that they had “successfully proved their innocence”.
.....the UK press fails to understand that Maddie’s parents can only make a case against the Portuguese state, and not against an individual person.
“For Gonçalo Amaral, the case is over. Done and dusted. He won, and the McCanns can’t ignore the decision simply because they are going to the ECHR”.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/PortugalRes_10_09_2017.htm
I dont think the case is all over for amaral...IF the mccanns have a victory at the ECHR...there could be repercussions
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Yet again no word of thanks, or mention even, of OG in the McCann's Christmas message.
Copious amounts of thanks to their supporters ( who can do nothing to find Madeleine ) yet not a word to the dedicated officers who are working tirelessly to find their daughter or the HO who is providing further funding.
Am I the only one who finds this odd ?
To all our supporters,
We just wanted to pass on our love and thanks to everyone who has continued to support us throughout another year. Christmas is a tricky time ....as it is for many people. Friendship, solidarity and warm wishes go a long way in giving us the strength to get through and make the very best of it. So, from all our family...a very big thank you.
We will never give up on Madeleine.
With very good wishes for a happy and peaceful 2018.
~Kate and Gerry
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I dont think the case is all over for amaral...IF the mccanns have a victory at the ECHR...there could be repercussions
Goncalo Amaral appears to be very much the 'invisible man' after his appeal court triumph ... has anyone heard anything of him?
Maybe he's got his nose to the grindstone somewhere churning out a best seller for himself. Should be a dawdle as long as he sticks to freedom of expression ... basically he can say what he likes about whomsoever he likes.
I'm in total agreement with you on this one, Davel.
I don't think anything is done and dusted until the present investigation into Madeleine's case finishes and until the ECHR makes a ruling on the case brought before them by the McCann legal team.
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Yet again no word of thanks, or mention even, of OG in the McCann's Christmas message.
Copious amounts of thanks to their supporters ( who can do nothing to find Madeleine ) yet not a word to the dedicated officers who are working tirelessly to find their daughter or the HO who is providing further funding.
Am I the only one who finds this odd ?
To all our supporters,
We just wanted to pass on our love and thanks to everyone who has continued to support us throughout another year. Christmas is a tricky time ....as it is for many people. Friendship, solidarity and warm wishes go a long way in giving us the strength to get through and make the very best of it. So, from all our family...a very big thank you.
We will never give up on Madeleine.
With very good wishes for a happy and peaceful 2018.
~Kate and Gerry
Neither the time nor the place, perhaps? Mind you, had Kate and Gerry thanked Uncle Tom Cobley 'n all they would have been criticised for missing out a mention of Widicombe.
There are just those who will not give this couple a break and will criticise whatever, whenever. I find it really rather sad.
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Neither the time nor the place, perhaps? Mind you, had Kate and Gerry thanked Uncle Tom Cobley 'n all they would have been criticised for missing out a mention of Widicombe.
There are just those who will not give this couple a break and will criticise whatever, whenever. I find it really rather sad.
Why neither the time nor the place ? You aren't trying to stifle discussion perchance Brietta ?
Can you give any good reason why the McCanns wouldn't be grateful to both the officers who are investigating the disappearance of their daughter and the HO who are providing the funding for that investigation and why they wouldn't see it as necessary to thank them for their efforts ? They had thanked OG every year in their Christmas message until last year. What changed ?
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Goncalo Amaral appears to be very much the 'invisible man' after his appeal court triumph ... has anyone heard anything of him?
Maybe he's got his nose to the grindstone somewhere churning out a best seller for himself. Should be a dawdle as long as he sticks to freedom of expression ... basically he can say what he likes about whomsoever he likes.
I'm in total agreement with you on this one, Davel.
I don't think anything is done and dusted until the present investigation into Madeleine's case finishes and until the ECHR makes a ruling on the case brought before them by the McCann legal team.
I have the feeling you are going to be disappointed on both counts Brietta.
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I have the feeling you are going to be disappointed on both counts Brietta.
One point is not nearly as important as the other but I would not measure the level of my disappointment just yet for the simple reason that I am mightily satisfied by the very fact that ... despite it being a long time coming ... and despite the slings and arrows, fire and brimstone directed at it throughout ... Madeleine McCann's case has been subject to a thorough professional investigation by Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria.
I think that is good ... and may I say, I prefer my outlook on life to that professed by you.
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I think the McCanns sustained quite a few blows during 2017. Their attempts to defeat Amaral finally failed, leaving them financially worse off and their claims of being 'cleared' by the first investigation were found to be false. Operation Grange appeared to be a restricted investigation following only one line of inquiry because of misunderstanding the findings of the first investigation. Not a good year imo.
January 2017;
Statement from Gerry and Kate Regarding Portuguese Supreme Court Ruling
What we have been told by our lawyers is obviously extremely disappointing.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/DAYS_2596.htm#d3561
February 2017
Kate and Gerry McCann have been dealt another cruel blow as a Portuguese court failed to put them in the clear over the disappearance of daughter Madeleine.
The couple were ruled out as formal suspects, or “arguidos”, back in 2008 – but in newly released court papers, judges have specified that this does not equate to a ruling of ¬innocence.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/mirror_08_02_2017.htm
March 2017
McCann’s “frivolity” complaint rejected. Gonçalo Amaral’s ‘libel win’ confirmed for 3rd time
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/PortugalResident_21_03_2017.htm
Apeil 2017
A C Mark Rowley contradicts the ruling of the Supreme Court of Portugal by saying that the question of the parent's involvement in Madeleine's disappearance was 'dealt with' by the first investigation.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/MET_25_04_2017s.htm
May 2017
Colin Sutton suggests there were no-go areas in the Operation Grange inquiry;
However, before this, just a few days after the NotW story I did receive a call from a senior officer in the Met whom I knew quite well. This officer told me I would do better to avoid the McCann investigation if it did happen, because "You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/Colin_Sutton_09_05_2017.htm
Operation Grange's narrow remit to focus only on the theory that the four-year-old was abducted from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal was unusual and a "missed opportunity", Sutton told nine.com.au.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/9News_15_05_2017.htm
September 2017
There are multiple mixed messages as the parents of missing Madeleine McCann are reported to be taking their three-time court defeat in Portugal to the very last point of appeal: the European Court of Human Rights.
.....according to the UK Sun - which led with an ‘exclusive’ yesterday on what it is calling “a last ditch appeal” against a “shameless ex police chief” - the reasons for the McCann’s new legal bid lie not simply in the fact that they “are desperately upset at Amaral’s claims”, but also that they are “shattered” that Portugal’s top judges did not accept that they had “successfully proved their innocence”.
.....the UK press fails to understand that Maddie’s parents can only make a case against the Portuguese state, and not against an individual person.
“For Gonçalo Amaral, the case is over. Done and dusted. He won, and the McCanns can’t ignore the decision simply because they are going to the ECHR”.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/115/PortugalRes_10_09_2017.htm
The media seem to be comparing apples and oranges (as do some posters, IMO).
The civil case was about Amaral & co.'s right to freedom of speech versus the rights of the McCann family.
AFAIK, the civil court could only take account of the situation at the time. It couldn't have taken into account that there are now two independent investigations underway, in neither of which are the McCanns considered to be suspects. That doesn't mean that the McCanns have been cleared, but then neither have any of us posting here.
I've no idea whether the idea of appealing has actually materialised or not, nor on which grounds.
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One point is not nearly as important as the other but I would not measure the level of my disappointment just yet for the simple reason that I am mightily satisfied by the very fact that ... despite it being a long time coming ... and despite the slings and arrows, fire and brimstone directed at it throughout ... Madeleine McCann's case has been subject to a thorough professional investigation by Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria.
I think that is good ... and may I say, I prefer my outlook on life to that professed by you.
I also think the fact that Madeleine's case has been the subject of, now, two thorough professional investigations cause for celebration. Why would you think I wouldn't ?
It doesn't answer the question though why the McCanns failed to thank OG and the HO in their message. Can you think of one single plausible explanation for that ?
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I also think the fact that Madeleine's case has been the subject of, now, two thorough professional investigations cause for celebration. Why would you think I wouldn't ?
It doesn't answer the question though why the McCanns failed to thank OG and the HO in their message. Can you think of one single plausible explanation for that ?
Perhaps the reason (if there is one) will become clear in 2018.
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Perhaps the reason (if there is one) will become clear in 2018.
Oh I'm sure there is G and I'm also sure you're right.
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It has not been a good year for the McCanns what with the Portuguese Supreme Court ruling confirming the earlier decision by the Appeal Court to uphold the appeal by Goncalo Amaral in the damages case McCann v Amaral & Others. To add insult to injury however, the Supreme Court felt they needed to go further and included within their decision the clarification that the McCanns had not been cleared. This clarification was itself appealed by the McCanns but yet again rejected by the Court.
Lets hope 2018 is more kind to them and their 'search' for Madeleine.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7937.0
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8159.msg391689#msg391689
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4206214/Court-says-Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-HAVEN-T-cleared.html
It must have been the worst year for them since 2007 imo. They were all set to win a fortune in damages only to have it snatched away, how dastardly inconvenient.
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It must have been the worst year for them since 2007 imo. They were all set to win a fortune in damages only to have it snatched away, how dastardly inconvenient.
More than half of it had been snatched away the previous year.
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More than half of it had been snatched away the previous year.
IMO none of those enormous bids for a 10th anniversary interview seemed to be finalised either.
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It must have been the worst year for them since 2007 imo. They were all set to win a fortune in damages only to have it snatched away, how dastardly inconvenient.
I don't think any year since 2007 can have been an easy one for them. I agree that it is disappointing that the good people who would have benefited from the distribution of a damages award won't for the time being ... but who knows, that could be a temporary blip.
I seem to remember through the dim mists of time that similar promises were made should Amaral come into his own ... seems the time might be here already?
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I don't think any year since 2007 can have been an easy one for them. I agree that it is disappointing that the good people who would have benefited from the distribution of a damages award won't for the time being ... but who knows, that could be a temporary blip.
I seem to remember through the dim mists of time that similar promises were made should Amaral come into his own ... seems the time might be here already?
A temporary blip ? Do you honestly think anything could now change the judgement of the SC ?
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How can it? The judgement is irreversible.
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The ECHR could decide that the judgement did not comply with ECHR law. THE SC judgement could not be overturned. However any new statements by amaral...any new book...could be the basis for a new legal challenge. If the mccanns had a judgement clarifying the law re defamation then I dont see how the portuguese courts could ignore it in any new case. This is imo why amaral is now quiet
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The ECHR could decide that the judgement did not comply with ECHR law. THE SC judgement could not be overturned. However any new statements by amaral...any new book...could be the basis for a new legal challenge. If the mccanns had a judgement clarifying the law re defamation then I dont see how the portuguese courts could ignore it in any new case. This is imo why amaral is now quiet
If it was judged favourably by the ECHR would Amaral still be able to sue for his money. What I am unsure of is whether the money was ever transferred to the McCanns after the first judgement in their favour. While the appeals were in progress who had use of the money?
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If it was judged favourably by the ECHR would Amaral still be able to sue for his money. What I am unsure of is whether the money was ever transferred to the McCanns after the first judgement in their favour. While the appeals were in progress who had use of the money?
I don't think anyone here really knows the answer
Does amaral have a case....where would he sue..could a Portuguese judgement be enforced....and then what effect would a favourable ECHR ruling have
What we do know is he doesn't seem to be suing and he seems to have gone very quiet
We will know a lot more if and when we get details of the alleged ECHR claim
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The ECHR could decide that the judgement did not comply with ECHR law. THE SC judgement could not be overturned. However any new statements by amaral...any new book...could be the basis for a new legal challenge. If the mccanns had a judgement clarifying the law re defamation then I dont see how the portuguese courts could ignore it in any new case. This is imo why amaral is now quiet
You obviously don't know what powers the ECHR have.
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If it was judged favourably by the ECHR would Amaral still be able to sue for his money. What I am unsure of is whether the money was ever transferred to the McCanns after the first judgement in their favour. While the appeals were in progress who had use of the money?
No money changes hands until the final decision. It is the Courts responsibility to ensure Amaral receives what he is due. Any claim for damages, loss of earnings, material loss etc is another matter and will require him to sue for those damages.
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The SC decision relates to a civil case between private parties and cannot be overturned by the ECHR.
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I don't think any year since 2007 can have been an easy one for them. I agree that it is disappointing that the good people who would have benefited from the distribution of a damages award won't for the time being ... but who knows, that could be a temporary blip.
I seem to remember through the dim mists of time that similar promises were made should Amaral come into his own ... seems the time might be here already?
What good people; more dodgy PI's? There is no temporary blip, the McCanns will never get any money from Amaral, they lost their case and were ordered to pay the costs of all those they sued. Not only that, their claim that they were cleared in 2008 was dismissed as incorrect. They may be innocent of any wrong doing, but there's no judicial decision which confirms that claim.
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What good people; more dodgy PI's? There is no temporary blip, the McCanns will never get any money from Amaral, they lost their case and were ordered to pay the costs of all those they sued. Not only that, their claim that they were cleared in 2008 was dismissed as incorrect. They may be innocent of any wrong doing, but there's no judicial decision which confirms that claim.
There is no judicial decision because as they are innocent ...there has never been reason to arrest or charge them.....imo
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There is no judicial decision because as they are innocent ...there has never been reason to arrest or charge them.....imo
Even so, they (or their lawyer to be precise) claimed that there was.
"already cleared before through the filing dispatch of a criminal investigation"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7937.0 page 40
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Re: Has it been an "annus horribilis" for the McCanns?
Yes Indeed. They being fed up of the media intrusion and all that jazz, seemed to want to share their misery by telling uninterested readership that they bought presents for Maddie... I didn't see it myself as I was busy, It was pointed out to me.. large spread in the trashy ones. same pic of little 3 year old Maddie. awwwww No doubt this will be claimed as a great ploy to remind people to 'look ' for MADDIE and not to forget her this xmas... Or perhaps this is their claim to be 'still searching' I am of the opinion that they are looking for sympathy. Faith was correct to point out Kate N Gerry only thanked their 'supporters' whoever they be, apart from the few on here?
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Re: Has it been an "annus horribilis" for the McCanns?
Yes Indeed. They being fed up of the media intrusion and all that jazz, seemed to want to share their misery by telling uninterested readership that they bought presents for Maddie... I didn't see it myself as I was busy, It was pointed out to me.. large spread in the trashy ones. same pic of little 3 year old Maddie. awwwww No doubt this will be claimed as a great ploy to remind people to 'look ' for MADDIE and not to forget her this xmas... Or perhaps this is their claim to be 'still searching' I am of the opinion that they are looking for sympathy. Faith was correct to point out Kate N Gerry only thanked their 'supporters' whoever they be, apart from the few on here?
Fair enough, why thank people who keep pulling them down.
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Fair enough, why thank people who keep pulling them down.
Look at how they treated others to tried to find out... hmmm They turned on them, and Kate didn;t hold back either! Tossers..tweedle dee and tweedle dum she called investigating officers..
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Look at how they treated others to tried to find out... hmmm They turned on them, and Kate didn;t hold back either! Tossers..tweedle dee and tweedle dum she called investigating officers..
She didn't say that to their faces. There are differences between thoughts and spoken words.
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She didn't say that to their faces. There are differences between thoughts and spoken words.
EXACTLY! That is why they didn't thank the investigators... they seem to have nothing but contempt for the PJ. if her THOUGHTS are anything to go by.
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EXACTLY! That is why they didn't thank the investigators... they seem to have nothing but contempt for the PJ. if her THOUGHTS are anything to go by.
Thoughts are inside someone's head and you have no idea what her current thoughts are unless she tells us.
You really only know your own thoughts.
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Thoughts are inside someone's head and you have no idea what her current thoughts are unless she tells us.
You really only know your own thoughts.
She already shared her thoughts in her book...
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She already shared her thoughts in her book...
Of those two distinct situations. I think it is unlikely she is still dwelling on those.
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Of those two distinct situations. I think it is unlikely she is still dwelling on those.
She also wanted Amaral to suffer... erm Im not so sure, I think Kate enjoys her perceived popularity,and self worth having reinvented herself. she refers to those who do not buy into her story as Trolls.. SO forgive me if I disagree with you on that point.
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She didn't say that to their faces. There are differences between thoughts and spoken words.
We don't know what she said to their face, however, she took the trouble to print those disgusting comments in her book and that was most definitiely not to her credit.
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We don't know what she said to their face, however, she took the trouble to print those disgusting comments in her book and that was most definitiely not to her credit.
Most would think of that as being too honest.
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Most would think of that as being too honest.
Can we have a ball park figure of most? most people in the world? most people on the forum? because you are merely assuming what most people think without actually gathering any evidence and producing stats. What you mean is you suspect most people { put your data set here} MAY think...
I can say without prejudice that everyone I know and discuss this case with agree with me that Kate is quite vocal in her opinions of people whom she does not like.
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She also wanted Amaral to suffer... erm Im not so sure, I think Kate enjoys her perceived popularity,and self worth having reinvented herself. she refers to those who do not buy into her story as Trolls.. SO forgive me if I disagree with you on that point.
Well the way that so many, but not all, of them go out of their way to destroy them with the written word ... based on disinformation ...they can only be described as TROLLS IMO
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Can we have a ball park figure of most? most people in the world? most people on the forum? because you are merely assuming what most people think without actually gathering any evidence and producing stats. What you mean is you suspect most people { put your data set here} MAY think...
I can say without prejudice that everyone I know and discuss this case with agree with me that Kate is quite vocal in her opinions of people whom she does not like.
Just what sort of people do you mix with? People who have been influenced by typical myth making other forum members on other forums ? People who do not bother about fact, but peddle disinformation?
AIMO
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She also wanted Amaral to suffer... erm Im not so sure, I think Kate enjoys her perceived popularity,and self worth having reinvented herself. she refers to those who do not buy into her story as Trolls.. SO forgive me if I disagree with you on that point.
If Kate deserved what she got would she try to retaliate? I tend to think a guilty person would know they deserve what they are getting.
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If Kate deserved what she got would she try to retaliate? I tend to think a guilty person would know they deserve what they are getting.
Methinks the lady doth ...
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Methinks the lady doth ...
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is a figure of speech originally found as a quotation from the c. 1600 play Hamlet by William Shakespeare.[1] It is used in everyday speech to indicate doubt in someone's sincerity.
OK.
Doubt about her sincerity. Well I don't.
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"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is a figure of speech originally found as a quotation from the c. 1600 play Hamlet by William Shakespeare.[1] It is used in everyday speech to indicate doubt in someone's sincerity.
OK.
Doubt about her sincerity. Well I don't.
Each to their own. It would be a poor world if we all thought the same
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"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is a figure of speech originally found as a quotation from the c. 1600 play Hamlet by William Shakespeare.[1] It is used in everyday speech to indicate doubt in someone's sincerity.
OK.
Doubt about her sincerity. Well I don't.
Me, too
I find her totally sincere and honest.
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Me, too
I find her totally sincere and honest.
so do I
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I don't think that 2017 was a totally 'annus horribilis' they did hear both the Uk police and the Portuguese police state that they aren't suspects.
So if the judge is saying that the McCann's haven't been proven innocent, why did the Portuguese police say they weren't suspects? After all if you aren't innocent, then surely you would be a suspect wouldn't you?
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I don't think that 2017 was a totally 'annus horribilis' they did hear both the Uk police and the Portuguese police state that they aren't suspects.
So if the judge is saying that the McCann's haven't been proven innocent, why did the Portuguese police say they weren't suspects? After all if you aren't innocent, then surely you would be a suspect wouldn't you?
The S C judges gave no opinion on the guilt or innocence of the McCanns. They dismissed their claim that they were cleared by the archiving dispatch.
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"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is a figure of speech originally found as a quotation from the c. 1600 play Hamlet by William Shakespeare.[1] It is used in everyday speech to indicate doubt in someone's sincerity.
OK.
Doubt about her sincerity. Well I don't.
I have never met the lady so have no real basis for an opinion.
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I have never met the lady so have no real basis for an opinion.
Neither have I but after viewing hundreds of video clips of her I feel I know her better than I know many others.
I thought about this answer, for some strange reason we are discussing this particular case nearly 11 years later.
It was really a good year for the McCanns as we are still trying to solve the case.
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The point is we can judge the sincerity of people we have never met....so it's reasonable to make a judgement re Kate
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The point is we can judge the sincerity of people we have never met....do it's reasonable to make a judgement re Kate
Which applies to everyone.
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Which applies to everyone.
We can all make mistakes in matters of judgement.
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Which applies to everyone.
of course...Im responding to alice who felt she could not make a judgement...evrything in context
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of course...Im responding to alice who felt she could not make a judgement...evrything in context
Some people will be more cautious than others. We are not all going to be the same. Wouldn't it be neat to have a meet the McCanns evening sometime.
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Some people will be more cautious than others. We are not all going to be the same. Wouldn't it be neat to have a meet the McCanns evening sometime.
Why would the mccans wish to meet members of the public...particularly some who think to describe them as shit parents is acceptable
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Why would the mccans wish to meet members of the public...particularly some who think to describe them as shit parents is acceptable
A pot luck tea -
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A pot luck tea -
you are just being humerous I hope
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you are just being humerous I hope
Not really I was thinking we could all agree to meet up at Ocean Club and have a meal at the Tapas restaurant with the McCanns. Bring the kids if you have any little ones.
That would give Alice a chance to meet Kate.
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I don't think that 2017 was a totally 'annus horribilis' they did hear both the Uk police and the Portuguese police state that they aren't suspects.
So if the judge is saying that the McCann's haven't been proven innocent, why did the Portuguese police say they weren't suspects? After all if you aren't innocent, then surely you would be a suspect wouldn't you?
The police never ever give a straight answer to anything involving potential suspects. Going by my experience of them, they are playing a waiting game and being extremely careful not to reveal their hand. Redwood thought he had solved the case before he retired but he failed to find Madeleine's remains. Had he found her remains in Praia da Luz some people would have had to answer some pretty difficult questions.
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Not really I was thinking we could all agree to meet up at Ocean Club and have a meal at the Tapas restaurant with the McCanns. Bring the kids if you have any little ones.
That would give Alice a chance to meet Kate.
I don't think there is a Tapas restaurant any more.
A short walk away, past the Ocean Club’s swimming pool, is the tapas restaurant where the McCanns dined with their friends that evening – now a snack bar.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/just-had-enough-ten-years-praia-da-luz-remembers-night-madeleine/
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Not really I was thinking we could all agree to meet up at Ocean Club and have a meal at the Tapas restaurant with the McCanns. Bring the kids if you have any little ones.
That would give Alice a chance to meet Kate.
I hope that's a New Year joke Rob?
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The police never ever give a straight answer to anything involving potential suspects. Going by my experience of them, they are playing a waiting game and being extremely careful not to reveal their hand. Redwood thought he had solved the case before he retired but he failed to find Madeleine's remains. Had he found her remains in Praia da Luz some people would have had to answer some pretty difficult questions.
I think if redwood had found remains in PDL the only poeple who would have to answer difficult questions would be the PJ....I dont think there is anyway the parents are suspects...the police have not had to say what they have...
then we have all the other knowledge we have about them and the case
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I think if redwood had found remains in PDL the only poeple who would have to answer difficult questions would be the PJ....I dont think there is anyway the parents are suspects...the police have not had to say what they have...
then we have all the other knowledge we have about them and the case
That knowledge could yet become the fly in the ointment.
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That knowledge could yet become the fly in the ointment.
speculation based on...........just speculation?....They could yet find an abductor...more speculation
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That knowledge could yet become the fly in the ointment.
It will certainly have to be taken into account by SY. When Redwood produced crecheman those with knowledge of the geography of Luz immediately pointed out that he was heading in the wrong direction. After all the trouble he went to to find and photograph a man in similar clothes, and a child's (not very) similar pyjamas too.
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It will certainly have to be taken into account by SY. When Redwood produced crecheman those with knowledge of the geography of Luz immediately pointed out that he was heading in the wrong direction. After all the trouble he went to to find and photograph a man in similar clothes, and a child's (not very) similar pyjamas too.
Did DCI Redwood actually state in which direction Crecheman was travelling?
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Did DCI Redwood actually state in which direction Crecheman was travelling?
I don't know, but he said he was 'almost certain' that it was him who Tanner saw. She wouldn't think she saw an abductor if he was heading towards block 5, would she?
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I don't know, but he said he was 'almost certain' that it was him who Tanner saw. She wouldn't think she saw an abductor if he was heading towards block 5, would she?
Well those Pesky Portuguese Peelers thought she was not a reliable witness.
If DCI Redwood really did find Crecheman I bet the question and answer session would have been interesting, eh what?
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Did DCI Redwood actually state in which direction Crecheman was travelling?
prezactly...or are posters relying on the crime watch video
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Not really I was thinking we could all agree to meet up at Ocean Club and have a meal at the Tapas restaurant with the McCanns. Bring the kids if you have any little ones.
That would give Alice a chance to meet Kate.
Im not sure about the mccanns but I would be more than happy to meet certain posters....for a coffee...if you get my drift
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Im not sure about the mccanns but I would be more than happy to meet certain posters....for a coffee...if you get my drift
No I don't.
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No I don't.
im sure others do..what I am saying is everything I have said on this forum I would be happy to repeat,...face to face....can every poster say that
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Im not sure about the mccanns but I would be more than happy to meet certain posters....for a coffee...if you get my drift
It's a nice thought and been done before by posters on the Bamber board. I was invited but London wasn't on the cards that weekend unfortunately. With posters in Australia, New Zealand, France, Portugal, Switzerland, the US and all over the UK, a coffeee morning is just a bit problematic.
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It's a nice thought and been done before by posters on the Bamber board. I was invited but London wasn't on the cards that weekend unfortunately.
its shame John...an actual face discussion would be very intersting and I would be happy to orgainise it
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im sure others do..what I am saying is everything I have said on this forum I would be happy to repeat,...face to face....can every poster say that
OK you would be happy to meet the McCanns.
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Well those Pesky Portuguese Peelers thought she was not a reliable witness.
If DCI Redwood really did find Crecheman I bet the question and answer session would have been interesting, eh what?
Not only the Pesky Portuguese Peelers but that Outstandingly Inept Oakley bunch too 8)-)))
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Just what sort of people do you mix with? People who have been influenced by typical myth making other forum members on other forums ? People who do not bother about fact, but peddle disinformation?
AIMO
Obviously not the same set type as the Tapas 9. I am unsure what it is you are accusing me of. I have not given disinformation. Feel free to attack my posts, but refrain from personal insinuations. Thank you.
With regards to your theory... I find it gives me hours of amusement.
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The point is we can judge the sincerity of people we have never met....so it's reasonable to make a judgement re Kate
This would be why so many people in this country fall victim to confusing actors playing the part of a 'baddie' with the real person being a 'good honest person. People can deceive we see it all the time. My friends daughter is very manipulative and causes many problems but looks all sweet and innocent butter wouldn't melt.
And let us not forget some patients of 'Dr death'[shipman] still say he was such a nice doctor with a lovely bedside manner! Indeed. AND so to many patients he probably was!
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This would be why so many people in this country fall victim to confusing actors playing the part of a 'baddie' with the real person being a 'good honest person. People can deceive we see it all the time. My friends daughter is very manipulative and causes many problems but looks all sweet and innocent butter wouldn't melt.
And let us not forget some patients of 'Dr death'[shipman] still say he was such a nice doctor with a lovely bedside manner! Indeed. AND so to many patients he probably was!
some poeple are very gullible as you rightly say...
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some poeple are very gullible as you rightly say...
They're easy to spot, apparently. They're female and they knit. @)(++(*
« Reply #218 on: January 05, 2018, 12:43:02 AM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8922.210
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They're easy to spot, apparently. They're female and they knit. @)(++(*
« Reply #218 on: January 05, 2018, 12:43:02 AM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8922.210
Very funny.