Has Jeremy ever been assessed for psychopathy?

[Passer-by]

No Holly:  the Army is choc-full with people on the spectrum.  Statistically there is a greater chance of having ASD if one or both parents are in the Army, or are doctors, lawyers, architects, computer programmers or engineers etc - all occupations that require a speciality in learning and apply a set of schemes and rules.  In the Srmy the do loads and loads if drills to learn how to respond to diverse situations:  they don't even have to look at someone's face, they can just look at the badges on their arm to find out about them!

Everyone thinks they are perfectly normal until they find out they are not  *&*%£

But as you've met the guy and I haven't I'll go with your judgement:  I just thought that might explain his 'odd' behaviour after the deaths.  In that case I've changed my mind once again on the guilt front I'm afraid (I dare say I'll change it back again later!).  In that case his pattern of behaviour does rather fit with other male family annihilators.

Then again SC's fit in with the pattern for female ones . . .
 

[Holly Goodhead]

No Holly:  the Army is choc-full with people on the spectrum.  Statistically there is a greater chance of having ASD if one or both parents are in the Army, or are doctors, lawyers, architects, computer programmers or engineers etc - all occupations that require a speciality in learning and apply a set of schemes and rules.  In the Srmy the do loads and loads if drills to learn how to respond to diverse situations:  they don't even have to look at someone's face, they can just look at the badges on their arm to find out about them!

Everyone thinks they are perfectly normal until they find out they are not  *&*%£

But as you've met the guy and I haven't I'll go with your judgement:  I just thought that might explain his 'odd' behaviour after the deaths.  In that case I've changed my mind once again on the guilt front I'm afraid (I dare say I'll change it back again later!).  In that case his pattern of behaviour does rather fit with other male family annihilators.

Then again SC's fit in with the pattern for female ones . . .
 

Blimey difficulty keeping up with all the posts at the moment!

One of the reasons I don't believe JB suffered with ASD is that his initial WS shows a lot of awareness of others and their circumstances etc?  He sounds like a male with a higher degree of emotional intelligence than the average, maybe?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5631.msg200221#msg200221

I'm not sure there are positive correlations between occupations and ASD? Or the occupations of parents and their offspring having a propensity towards ASD?

I think any grief counsellor will tell you that there's no right or wrong way to behave post loss/tragic event etc.  We have both commented on AE's actions re re-making the twins' beds.  And Colin Caffell acknowledges in his book that his moods swung from laughter to sadness in the immediate aftermath.  AE and RB spent most of their time in the immediate aftermath carrying out their own investigations into the tragedy at WHF rather than grieving for their lost relatives.

I haven't met with JB or had any contact with him other than around 8 pieces of correspondence over 3.5 years.  He seems quite open though so if you think he might suffer with ASD then why not write and ask him?  He doesn't seem like the type to take offence easily.

[Passer-by]

I'm sorry:  it's going round and round my head so I thought I'd share the experience with you! 

I think there's a lot of misappreciation of how fully integrated into society someone with ASD can be, so that neither they, nor someone not well versed in it, would realise.  All the top figures in the computing world, for example, from Steve Jobs to Bill Gates, have ASD.

Someone with ASD can build up encyclopaedic knowledge of other people (that's what a very clever Aspie invented Facebook for) but not pick up on the fact that, for example, they are annoying their best friend or have just dropped a social clanger.  If they do upset someone, they will probably be oblivious to the fact and astonished if told and then either express incredulity or regret depending on their self confidence.  Their responses are learned by observation.  They aren't automatons:  they have the full range of emotions, they are perfectly capable of understanding that others have them as well, they will hug you if you are crying, but they tend to need to relate what you are feeling by imagining how they would feel if it was them (for this reason my eldest can't bear watching anything other than factual TV programmes). 

The key thing they miss is facial expressions and little social cues.  I can think of 3 family members who have said really angrily out loud 'WHAT ARE YOU KICKING ME FOR?!' and 'STOP NUDGING ME!'  on multiple occasions

Ever watched Benedict Cumberbatch in Sherlock?

I might suggest to the lawyer that he have Simon Baron-Cohen check him out, but I'm not keen on the idea of sending my address to a prison.  If it were me, I'd be courting JM:  if JB is innocent she is the one means by which he might definitively prove it.

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm sorry:  it's going round and round my head so I thought I'd share the experience with you! 

I think there's a lot of misappreciation of how fully integrated into society someone with ASD can be, so that neither they, nor someone not well versed in it, would realise.  All the top figures in the computing world, for example, from Steve Jobs to Bill Gates, have ASD.

Someone with ASD can build up encyclopaedic knowledge of other people (that's what a very clever Aspie invented Facebook for) but not pick up on the fact that, for example, they are annoying their best friend or have just dropped a social clanger.  If they do upset someone, they will probably be oblivious to the fact and astonished if told and then either express incredulity or regret depending on their self confidence.  Their responses are learned by observation.  They aren't automatons:  they have the full range of emotions, they are perfectly capable of understanding that others have them as well, they will hug you if you are crying, but they tend to need to relate what you are feeling by imagining how they would feel if it was them (for this reason my eldest can't bear watching anything other than factual TV programmes). 

The key thing they miss is facial expressions and little social cues.  I can think of 3 family members who have said really angrily out loud 'WHAT ARE YOU KICKING ME FOR?!' and 'STOP NUDGING ME!'  on multiple occasions

Ever watched Benedict Cumberbatch in Sherlock?

I might suggest to the lawyer that he have Simon Baron-Cohen check him out, but I'm not keen on the idea of sending my address to a prison.  If it were me, I'd be courting JM:  if JB is innocent she is the one means by which he might definitively prove it.

I wasn't aware that Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg have been formally diagnosed with Apergers?  I'm not denying such a condition exists but I think it has become easy to label those a bit geeky, one dimensional and focused as having Asperger's?

   

[Passer-by]

I wasn't aware that Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg have been formally diagnosed with Apergers?  I'm not denying such a condition exists but I think it has become easy to label those a bit geeky, one dimensional and focused as having Asperger's?

   

Temple Grandin, who is considered the poster-girl for the subject, reckons Steve Jobs was and the former  Head of Engineering at Facebook has said Mark Zuckerberg has. To me it's plain as a pike staff:  I don't see how anyone could claim they don't have it!?

In a minute we will have our wrists slapped by John for going off topic, so I'd better wrap it by saying that if you are a bit geeky, one dimensional and focused and under the age of about 15 you are quite likely in the running nowadays for a diagnosis of Aspergers.  It is far more common than has been realised, and most people aren't happy to announce the diagnosis because of its negative connotations, that's why it is called 'an invisible disability'.

[mercury]

Steve Jobs had aspergers? Someones havng a laugh.

Couldnt be further from it.

"Poster girl" btw passerby doesn't actually say that

http://www.inc.com/kimberly-weisul/temple-grandin-on-happy-aspies-autism-and-startups.html

Though she does talk some crap in general

[puglove]

Blimey O'Reilly, I just watched a programme about Christopher Porco.

SO many parallels between him and Bamber.