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Offline barrier

Re: Order of killings
« Reply #195 on: May 30, 2020, 08:26:28 PM »

But you said he’d been dead for eight hours

He wouldn’t look like he was asleep — he’d have been discoloured and besides looking obviously dead there’d have been an unpleasant aroma

No there wasn't,it was winter,the fire hadn't been lit.I'm talking 1983,central heating was for posh folk.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: Order of killings
« Reply #196 on: May 30, 2020, 09:15:23 PM »
No there wasn't,it was winter,the fire hadn't been lit.I'm talking 1983,central heating was for posh folk.


But all bodies develop mottling and rigor mortis regardless of the outside temperature; heat merely speeds decomposition up.

Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Order of killings
« Reply #197 on: June 01, 2020, 08:44:52 AM »
I mentioned how the order of the deaths could affect the potential to claim part of the estate but I wasn't familiar with the details.  In this fictional account, there was a section explaining the workings of this factor.
http://youknowwhokilledyoudontyou.blogspot.com/2011/02/innocent-man-part-4-shawtesko.html

"At one stage Jeremy asked: ‘Can you tell which order they were killed in?’

Stan leapt at that. ‘What did you ask that for, Jeremy?’

Jeremy shrugged, murmured that it affected the various wills.

For twenty-one years, the British public has accepted that Jeremy Bamber murdered his entire family so that he alone would inherit the family wealth. The prosecution’s argument, never challenged, isn’t as straightforward and convincing as they made it seem. The order of deaths would have had a significant impact on who was in line to benefit, and how much each party was entitled to receive. For instance, if either of the twins died last, their father, Colin Caffell, may have had rights to some of the estate; if June died last, her sister Pamela and family would have stood to benefit; if Nevill had died last of all, Nevill’s nephew and niece (the Pargeters) would have stood to inherit a sizeable portion; if Sheila had died last, her natural parents might have stood to inherit some of the estate. Whoever had died last determined who may have been in the frame to inherit. Jeremy Bamber was not the sole benefactor of his parents’ wealth. Without any evidence to establish who had died in which order left Jeremy’s ‘established motive’ very much in the air. Jeremy knew better than anyone that his greedy and unfriendly relatives would exploit the situation for all it was worth. If Jeremy had not been arrested and convicted, there would have been bitter battles over the money; in the end, there was anyhow. As no one could state who was the final person to die, no one could establish whose last will and testament should be implemented to determine the distribution of wealth and property. A decade after the murders, family in-fighting and legal wrangling was still the order of the day. Threats of civil action between the Pargeters, Boutflours and Eatons got nasty as separate arms of the clan fought over their claims to the Bamber estate."
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Order of killings
« Reply #198 on: June 01, 2020, 08:58:39 AM »
" if Sheila had died last, her natural parents might have stood to inherit some of the estate. Whoever had died last determined who may have been in the frame to inherit. Jeremy Bamber was not the sole benefactor of his parents’ wealth."

So by asking that question he wasn't assuming the whole estate would come to him. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Order of killings
« Reply #199 on: June 01, 2020, 09:23:01 AM »
HAPPY FAMILIES
Apart from Stan Jones, much of the initial suspicion against Jeremy came from the surviving relatives, and this is significant. The relatives gave the police the primary background information about the Bambers and did their best to stoke the flames of prejudice against the twenty-four year old heir. Serious money was on the table if Jeremy was sent down, so this must be kept in mind when evaluating everything the Boutflours, Eatons and Pargeters said and did. The jury also entertained such ignoble thoughts, at one point asking the trial judge to clarify exactly where the prime leader of the family assault against Jeremy, Robert Boutflour, stood in terms of the inheritance if Jeremy was found guilty. As with most things, the jury was given a misleading answer. They were told Robert would have no claims on the re-distributed money if Jeremy was found guilty. While this is technically true in a direct sense, the jury wasn’t told that Robert’s very own family, his wife and children, were the ones who would get the dosh instead. The prosecution also failed to disclose that Robert Boutflour was aware that if Jeremy received his rightful inheritance, he intended to sell significant portions of land, thereby disposing of what had been a part of Pamela Boutflour’s family’s estate for generations.

Jeremy’s 1986 conviction meant that he forfeited his rightful claim to the Bamber inheritance. The family members therefore inherited an estate which, on conservative 1985 estimates, included £436,000 pounds in cash, several hundred acres of prime land, and assets that produced significant funds per annum. Ann and Peter Eaton were given the tenancy of White House Farm. Years later, from prison, Jeremy lost a High court action to recover £1.27 million he claimed he should have received from his grandmother’s will. He also lost another High Court case to recover £326,000 from his loss of earnings as a shareholder of the family-owned Osea Road caravan site.

There’s no disguising that Jeremy and the extended family actively disliked one another. Perhaps the family genuinely did believe Jeremy pulled the trigger. But it’s not fair to discard the fact that the police claimed Jeremy committed the murders for the Bamber fortune, yet forget the fact that his main accusers were the ones who prospered most from his subsequent conviction. Nevill and June viewed their large acreage as a responsibility, rather than a gift, and to the extended family, the farm represented their birthright, their expectations, their future and their children's future. Jeremy remained an interloper in their eyes and didn’t have a place in their chosen scenario. Feudal relations and bad blood was nothing new to the folks of Tolleshunt D’Arcy.*

By their own admissions, the family had come to the conclusion that Jeremy was the killer within twenty-four hours of the investigation. Their first attack on the Essex police came at 8 a.m. the very morning after the murders took place. DCI Jones was approached and told that Sheila’s inability to use guns was suspicious. The Boutflour-Eaton clan had several willing scribes; David Boutflour, Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour, and even friends of the family all took to writing their suspicions down."
http://youknowwhokilledyoudontyou.blogspot.com/2011/02/innocent-man-part-5.html
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