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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2018, 02:08:27 PM »
OK - interesting.

There was thread discussing interviews last year http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8007.msg389163#msg389163 
and http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8007.msg389167#msg389167

So expanding that "A statement is not libellous because it was from a statement made to the PJ by a so-called friend of Robert Murat and it was in the police files as well as in the newspapers."

So you could have a paid informant make a totally outrageous statement to the PJ.  The PJ then leak it to the press.  So thereafter Amaral can write about that outrageous comment in a book and get away with it.

That is libellous.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2018, 06:33:32 PM »
That is libellous.
I'm describing what could happen in a hypothetical situation, I'm not saying it did happen.  But what I can't see is the safeguard in the Portuguese system that prevents that from happening.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2018, 07:13:48 PM »
I'm describing what could happen in a hypothetical situation, I'm not saying it did happen.  But what I can't see is the safeguard in the Portuguese system that prevents that from happening.

It is still libellous.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2018, 07:16:10 PM »

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2018, 07:18:42 PM »
I disagree.

So you are happy for me to put forward a hypothetical situation in which the McCann’s hid Madeleine’s body and pretend she was abducted?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2018, 07:22:10 PM »
So you are happy for me to put forward a hypothetical situation in which the McCann’s hid Madeleine’s body and pretend she was abducted?

Isn't that Amaral's hypothesis?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2018, 07:23:37 PM »
It is still libellous.
Well tell me what in the Portuguese system that prevents that from happening?   Do think RM really had sex with a cat?  Did one of his friends really dob him in?  Montclair who appears to live in Portugal said that information was in the local papers  and he said it is in the PJ file*** therefore he felt it was OK for Amaral to write about that in his book.
I find that hard to accept.
*** I'm not sure if that is in the PJ file readable by us released at archiving.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 07:37:32 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2018, 07:31:01 PM »
It’s been 11 years now. Surely in that 11 years one supporter could have learned Portuguese?

That costs time application and money.
Well one supporter reckons he is as rich as Croesus so that takes care of the money element.
Just a case of the other two now.
Then on the other hand you can make it up as you go along   8(0(*
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2018, 07:31:47 PM »
Well tell me what in the Portuguese system that prevents that from happening?   Do think RM really had sex with a cat?  Did one of his friends really dob him in?  Montclair who appears to live in Portugal said that information was in the local papers  and it is in the PJ file therefore he felt it was OK for Amaral to write about that in his book.
I find that hard to accept.

It's something to do with not being able to sue someone for something said in a statement given to The Police.

I am not sure what the law is regarding printing it or stating it elsewhere.

Perhaps someone can help out here.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2018, 07:38:44 PM »
That costs time application and money.
Well one supporter reckons he is as rich as Croesus so that takes care of the money element.
Just a case of the other two now.
Then on the other hand you can make it up as you go along   8(0(*
Back to the theme of Amaral interviews please.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2018, 08:37:40 PM »
So you are happy for me to put forward a hypothetical situation in which the McCann’s hid Madeleine’s body and pretend she was abducted?
I’d be very happy for you to do so and think it’s absurd that we can’t discuss sceptic theories on this forum.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2018, 09:05:24 PM »
Here is a second version of the translation

In the original it is colour coded and one can see the alterations.

https://madmyst.blogspot.com/p/p-margin-bottom-0_81.html

"Interview de Gonçalo Amaral
Sábado magazine – 27.04.2017
Traduit par Montclair

Return of the Inspector to the crime scene.
Years after the investigation which ended his career, Gonçalo Amaral explains how Maddie’s body could have disappeared: cremated with that of a British citizen

He was having dinner with a friend, after a day’s work, when near midnight 3 May 2007, he received a phone call which would influence the years to come. He gave instructions over the phone, went to the night squad and then went home. The inspector at the time couldn’t know then that he was to becomes a “worthless policeman”, pledged to a line of investigation dedicated to the presumption of guilt of a couple of English doctors, and he will be called countless times “drunk”, “womanising” and “sleazy” in the British press and on the internet.
"Ten years is a life. A lawsuit with a request for € 1.250.000,00 compensation is very heavy burden at all levels. The economic and financial strangulation was brutal. Abruptly abandoning a successful career as a criminal investigator to defend my name and professional honour as well as of those who worked with me, is painful and irreparable.
said Gonçalo Amaral, 57 years old, almost a decade after that telephone call, which informed him of the disappearance of en English child from a tourist complex in Praia da Luz, 7 kilometres from Lagoa, in the Algarve. Everything that could go wrong, went wrong. The child was Madeleine McCann.

While Gonçalo Amaral went home, in apartment 5A of Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, the GNR “who took almost an hour to get to the place because of road works” (il leur a fallu 20 minutes pour venir de Odiáxere) were already there, as well as the people in the McCann group – 9 in total plus 7 (8) children – and a PJ team. Signs of that confusing night, in which the mother screamed in the street about 22h00, “we let her down” and which there are contradictions between the friends as to the established timeline of the visits to the minors in the apartments, while they dined and drank 50 meters away, are two: a palm print of a man on the window (???), which would be discovered as that of an element of the scientific police, and Kate’s finger prints on the window in the children’s bedroom, where the parents would insist that the abductor came in. But the lowered shutter showed no sign of being forced.

In the kitchen sink there were glasses of chocolate milk, which were never analysed, and which could have been used to prove the use of medication (info de Ricardo Paiva   travers Astro) – which would have corroborated the hypothesis of accidental death and concealment of a body defended by the main coordinator of the investigation.
En quoi l'usage d'un tranquilisant aurait-il corroboré l'hypothèse d'une mort accidentelle ? Les médecins ne sont pas fous au point de sédater fortement leurs enfants afin de dîner tranquillement avec des gens qui n'étaient même pas leurs amis.
In the family’s camera there were no photos of that night. It would be impossible to know what each English person was wearing. Also, there were no CCTV: in the complex, in the surrounding streets, petrol stations, ATMs and pharmacies.
La vidéo surveillance est interdite au Portugal, sauf dans l'espace privé, les ATM et quelques lieux   risque.
The only camera which could have registered what the Smiths will say later that they saw, witness considered important for the coordinator at the time, was ignored by the PJ and when it was identified the images were no longer available.
Cette caméra n'était pas et n'est toujours pas orientée vers la rua da escola primaria, comme le requiert la loi.

The Irish family had already returned home when, at the beginning of October 9 of September, the McCanns having already been made arguidos, returned to the UK and were captured by the TV cameras in Leicestershire. The head of the Smith family recognised the photo of Gerry McCann holding one of the twins in his arms as the man he saw the night of 2007.
Il n'a pas reconnu de photos, lui et sa femme étaient en train de regarder les nouvelles   la TV, ont vu Gerald MC descendre de l'avions avec son fils lourdement endormi sur l'épaule et soudain ont cru reconnaître l'allure du porteur d'enfant croisé   PDL la nuit du 3/4 mai.
 The Irish family never returned to Portugal – “I don’t even know if they are still alive” – Gonçalo Amaral said as he went up the Rua da Escola Primária where the family is supposed to have come across Maddie’s father in the night of 3 May 2007 with his daughter in his arms.
Cette famille est probablement revenue   PDL, y ayant un appartement où ils allaient plusieurs fois par an.


The car boot

That night the twins kept sleeping, with the police, many witnesses and Ocean Club workers in the 5A apartment. They were taken still sleeping to another apartment where, later, Fiona Payne would say that she saw Kate McCann with her hand under the nose and on the mouth of the children as if to see if they were still breathing. The lead of Capol, which the mother admitted giving to the children to get them to sleep never went anywhere.
Kate n'a jamais admis cela. Le Capol est un antihistaminique, pas un sédatif.

In August, the course of the investigation changed to preview the possible death of the child, with suspicion falling on the parents. The sudden change was based on biological traces gathered in the car rented by the McCanns in May. 3 semaines après la disparition. A fact that Gonçalo Amaral ignored because the initial line of investigation was that of an abduction.

In front of the apartment, the ex-inspector points to the places where the British police dogs found cadaver odour, in the small garden which leads to the interior of the apartment, in the back of the tourist complex above the swimming pool and restaurant where the group of the English dined every night, while they were there.
L'immeuble dans lequel habitaient les MC ne faisait pas partie du complexe touristique, il en était séparé par deux murs (dont le haut mur d'enceinte du complexe) et une large allée publique.
And also in the interior of the house, behind the sofa. “In the car, where, in August, the gathering of traces was carried out with the help of the dogs, the father’s blood was found on the car key and in the boot of the car body fluids as if they had drained from above the tire well as well as hairs which the laboratory says are the same colour as Madeleine McCann’s hair. But these traces were devaluated by the English laboratory which the Portuguese police chose – “in order to not accuse us of falsifying the results”, said Amaral.
Les Anglais ont déclaré que les analyses n'étaient pas concluantes. Il faut songer que les parents et enfants MC avaient un patrimoine génétique en commun.
In October, in declarations to Diário de Notícias, Gonçalo Amaral criticised the British police. He was dismissed and taken off the case by the national head of the PJ. The Smith family was to come to Portugal.
Who told a journalist that the British police should worry about what was agreed in Portugal, which is to follow the line of investigation of the responsibility of the parents in the disappearance of their daughter, was me. After that, what Dr. Alípio Ribeiro said, the decision to take me off the case, in Portimão, is a consequence of that. But it also opened the door to the shelving of the case and that is what happened.
he tells us 10 years later.
L'erreur majeure de Gonçalo avait été commise fin mai 2007. Il avait fait venir trois membres de la famille Smith dans l'espoir qu'il identifierait Smithman comme étant RM. Il n'en fut rien et, comme la ligne de temps établie par les TP9 fournissait   ceux-ci un alibi, GA négligea le signalement des Smiths.
This week, Pedro Carmo, vice director of the PJ, said that the investigation is still being carried out, now under the authority of a team in Porto. “We have never had a case like this, nor afterwards.” A source of the Public Ministry prefers to remember that some of the strange things about this case is the existence of “two parallel investigations” and the “submission to the United Kingdom”. Il est sûr que sans l'enquête de SY, le MP n'aurait pas rouvert le dossier MC.

Well founded suspicions

The decision of 31 December January 2017 by the Supreme Court, confirmed avec la réponse en mars   la réclamation, was the confirmation of the Appeal Court decision which overturned the decision which forced Gonçalo Amaral to compensate the couple for damages caused by the publication of “Maddie: The Truth of the Lie”. Several British newspapers lesquels ? considered the decision “shameful”, for saying that there were “well founded suspicions” in the ex-PJ coordinator’s theory. For Gonçalo Amaral this is the “confirmation of a whole line of investigation”, shown in the book which he published in July 2008 and which led him to hell.

Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira, which never reached the British market, was translated in several countries and sold 170 thousand examples in Portugal. In 2009, the Civil Court of Lisbon ordered the freezing of all profits obtained from the book in the first case brought by the McCanns, who demanded compensation of 1.2 million euro's. Author’s copyrights and Amaral’s share in the company he created after he left the PJ, a third of his salary as director and even the Jaguar he bought it May in the name of Gonçalo Amaral Unipessoal, Lda., which never was able to offer “services of professional advice in the area of criminal investigation” were all frozen.

Near the Luz Church, where the parents were seen many times and photographed, Amaral confessed that “he never forgot the disappeared child and there are always people giving him information about the case”. This is where the coordinator who was also on the “Joana case”, disappearance in 2004 of a child, in which the mother and uncle were convicted of murder, holds on to the explanation of a perfect crime.

“One night (December 2007?) three figures were seen entering the church with a bag, through the side door, when there is a body of a lady from the UK inside and which was then sent to be cremated in Ferreira do Alentejo. It is possible that the child’s body was in the urn”, he said.

Between the 5A apartment, where the McCann family spent their holidays, and the Anglican church, Gonçalo Amaral never says the diminutive of the disappeared child’s name, Maddie, her baptismal name, nor the name of the child’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. For him, a decade after the facts, they are only “the missing child” and “the couple”.

The former inspector says that the PJ went along with Scotland Yard and there was servility on the part of the Public Ministry and the government in relation to the British.

Fernanda Cachão and Mónica Palma

There was too much diplomacy

Outside of the judicial case, Gonçalo Amaral states that the McCanns took away any possibility he had of a professional life.

Q : Is there a political balance to make of this case?
GA : There is and it is very strong. Please note I never returned to the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) and the couple already. The head of the PJ and the magistrate are doing what is politically correct. In the UK and here the police headquarters went in step with Scotland Yard. They don’t investigate anything which could compromise the parents or the friends. It is a mistake. Furthermore, there cannot be parallel channels of investigation, because it is not normal that the ambassador of a foreign country comes to a scene to put pressure so that “it has to be fast”. After this meeting, the head of the PJ read a statement saying that they were looking for an abductor with which I and others did not agree. If the ambassador and even the consul had not shown up, the investigation would have been directed to what is normal, which is suspecting those who have the responsibility of the custody of the child. There was too much diplomacy.

Q : As the coordinator didn’t you have a word to say?
GA : I and other colleagues said what we had to say. We were told that that was the direction and afterwards we would go back to the other.

Q : Who?
GA : My superior at the time. Guilhermino Encarnaçao.

Q : How is it that the visit of the ambassador intimidates or orientates in this way an investigation?
GA : By the servility we have in relation to the English. The Judiciary, the Public Ministry and the government felt intimated by the UK. The mistake was the announcement speaking of an abduction.

Q : Did Maddie’s parents receive special treatment?
GA : In what I call my naiveness, I note the fact that they belonged to the English upper middle class and the British don’t like it when their doctors make a mess abroad and that they are convicted for it.

Q : Ten years later, what self-criticism have you done?
GA : I should never have retired from the PJ. I should have – and because the police never defended me or my colleagues from the insults made about us – written and published the book as a member of the PJ. I should never have allowed that we were the target of so much pressure. When the couple left, the British police who were here to cooperate and help also left. The sensation we had was that the British police were only here to protect the couple. We were too sincere and then they took advantage. For example, we sent forensic samples to the English laboratory, when the tests could have been done by a Portuguese one, so that we would not be accused of manipulating the final results. We were naïve and too diplomatic.

Q : Is this a particularly distressful case for you?
GA : The case in itself no. The case against me also no. The distress came from what they did to me outside of the case. The violation of my private life, the destabilisation of the person, the insults, the defamation and destroying any possibilities of a professional activity that I would like to do. I have been prevented from doing so. Things were not just done inside case, a lot was done outside of it.

Q : Have you turned your back on the former heads of the PJ?
GA : No, I’m just making a criticism and I have the right to do so. You don’t throw away a higher ranking officer just to protect a couple suspected, at the least, of neglecting their children which lead to the disappearance. It was almost a lack respect to take that decision (that it was an abduction) and make it public. They did not look at the case objectively. If the investigation ever does come to an end and it is proven that the parents had nothing to do with it, then that is fine."
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2018, 12:22:33 AM »
That second attempt still has "“One night (December 2007?) three figures were seen entering the church with a bag, through the side door, when there is a body of a lady from the UK inside and which was then sent to be cremated in Ferreira do Alentejo. It is possible that the child’s body was in the urn”, he said."

Why anyone would think the cremation took place in December 2007 still surprises me.  Holding onto the child's body for 7 months!   That can't be right.

So what was in the hire car then? 
Talk about having a fertile imagination! 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2018, 07:19:19 AM »
I marvel at Amaral’s self criticism:

Too sincere
Too naive
Too diplomatic

Aww, bless!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2018, 07:52:17 AM »
Isnt this article libellous...in as much that it portrays amaral as  a total idiot