Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview

[barrier]

He said the parents were ruled out by the first investigation... As they were... Suttin confirmed the parents are not being investigated

Sutton is like any one on this site, a nobody in terms of knowing what is happening.

[Mr Gray]

They were not ruled out in Portugal. All means all no exceptions.

"It should not be said that the appellants were cleared via the ruling announcing the archiving of the criminal case. In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.

"The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.

"There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling. It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence." 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/madeleine-mccanns-parents-have-not-ruled-innocent-judge-says/

The, archiving report said there was no evidence against them... That's quite clear..... There is no legal procedure to be ruked innocent... A not guilty  verdict does not prove innocence
The SC jusdgement will be heavily criticised  by the ECHR... Imo

[Mr Gray]

Sutton is like any one on this site, a nobody in terms of knowing what is happening.

Wrong.. He received a phonecall from a senior officer... That's more than anyone on this forum

[slartibartfast]

Wrong.. He received a phonecall from a senior officer... That's more than anyone on this forum

So you believe him?

[Mr Gray]

So you believe him?

I absolutely  believe he received the phonecall... But without knowing the exact wording we don't understand  it's full significance... It tells us the McCann's were not being investigated... It doesn't tell us why

[pathfinder73]

The, archiving report said there was no evidence against them... That's quite clear..... There is no legal procedure to be ruked innocent... A not guilty  verdict does not prove innocence
The SC jusdgement will be heavily criticised  by the ECHR... Imo

Where does it say no evidence?

What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).

In conclusion, it results from everything that has been done, despite the efforts that were made and all investigation lines being explored, that it is not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what really happened that night, and about the present location of the missing minor.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

These dogs, which had already been used on multiple occasions by the Scotland Yard and by the FBI with positive results, are evidence collection means and do not serve as evidence; any residue, even if invisible to the naked eye, which is collected using this type of dogs, has to be subject to forensics testing in a credentialed laboratory.

Martin Grime, the dogs' instructor himself [20], mentions in his report: "Whereas there may be no retrievable evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime investigations"; or scientist Dr John Lowe [21] who refers that the FSS has no scientific support about the use of the dogs as a fundament for the collection of biological residues and that normally take the handler's word for certification, that asserts that the dogs are more sensitive than any chemical technique or other techniques that are normally used by crime scene sector experts.

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[Mr Gray]

Where does it say no evidence?

What happened during the time lapse between 5.30 p.m. (the time at which MADELEINE was seen for the last time by a person that differs from her parents or siblings) and the time at which the disappearance is reported by KATE HEALY (at around 10 p.m.).

In conclusion, it results from everything that has been done, despite the efforts that were made and all investigation lines being explored, that it is not possible to obtain a solid and objective conclusion about what really happened that night, and about the present location of the missing minor.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

These dogs, which had already been used on multiple occasions by the Scotland Yard and by the FBI with positive results, are evidence collection means and do not serve as evidence; any residue, even if invisible to the naked eye, which is collected using this type of dogs, has to be subject to forensics testing in a credentialed laboratory.

Martin Grime, the dogs' instructor himself [20], mentions in his report: "Whereas there may be no retrievable evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime investigations"; or scientist Dr John Lowe [21] who refers that the FSS has no scientific support about the use of the dogs as a fundament for the collection of biological residues and that normally take the handler's word for certification, that asserts that the dogs are more sensitive than any chemical technique or other techniques that are normally used by crime scene sector experts.

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

PDC said no evidence... The McCann's don't have to prove anything... The prosecution do..

These dogs, which had already been used on multiple occasions by the Scotland Yard and by the FBI with positive results, are evidence collection means and do not serve as evidence

[pathfinder73]

Just remember that Portugal have declared they have never been cleared in this live ongoing case.

[Mr Gray]

Just remember that Portugal have declared they have never been cleared in this live ongoing case.

as they havent been charged with anything as there is no evidence...that is hardly surprising

[Sunny]

Off topic but why has Robert Murat been questioned by Operation Grange but the McCanns have not.  There was no evidence against Robert Murat as far as I am aware.

[Mr Gray]

Off topic but why has Robert Murat been questioned by Operation Grange but the McCanns have not.  There was no evidence against Robert Murat as far as I am aware.

you would need to ask grange why...we dont know what evidence grange has against murat

[barrier]

you would need to ask grange why...we dont know what evidence grange has against murat

Why do they need evidence against him?

[Mr Gray]

Why do they need evidence against him?

read my post again...I never said they did

[Mr Gray]

Off topic but why has Robert Murat been questioned by Operation Grange but the McCanns have not.  There was no evidence against Robert Murat as far as I am aware.

I would be very surprised if the mccanns have not been questioned by grange

[barrier]

Why do they need evidence against him?

read my post again...I never said they did

you would need to ask grange why...we dont know what evidence grange has against murat

Suggestive of thinking they have.