Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance + Control Risks Emma Knights etc.

[Brietta]

Wasn’t the ‘revelation moment’ the ditching of Tannerman as the abductor ? I thought you thought Tannerman was still viable ?

What I think is not the topic of the thread ... please desist from deflection from the topic which is: "Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance + Control Risks Emma Knights etc."

[faithlilly]

What I think is not the topic of the thread ... please desist from deflection from the topic which is: "Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance + Control Risks Emma Knights etc."

It was you who brought up the ditching of Tannerman.  I was merely expanding on it.

[Sunny]

It would appear that two people from Control Risks Group may have been in Praia Da Luz prior to the 10th May 2007.

Between 5th and 12th May 2007 - two top people from Control Risks Group were dispatched to Praia da Luz, namely, Kenneth Farrow and Michael Keenan.  Farrow was the ex-head of The Economic Crime Unit in the City of London Police and Keenan was an ex-Superintendent from the Metropolitan Police with specialist fraud and investigative experience.  No-one knew how they could help find a missing child, but Jane Tanner admits to speaking to them before she identified Robert Murat as the man with a child she claimed to have seen on 3 May.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3083.0

[Brietta]

It would appear that two people from Control Risks Group may have been in Praia Da Luz prior to the 10th May 2007.

Between 5th and 12th May 2007 - two top people from Control Risks Group were dispatched to Praia da Luz, namely, Kenneth Farrow and Michael Keenan.  Farrow was the ex-head of The Economic Crime Unit in the City of London Police and Keenan was an ex-Superintendent from the Metropolitan Police with specialist fraud and investigative experience.  No-one knew how they could help find a missing child, but Jane Tanner admits to speaking to them before she identified Robert Murat as the man with a child she claimed to have seen on 3 May.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3083.0

  ... haven't you immediately spotted the really glaring inaccuracy in that statement?

[Sunny]

  ... haven't you immediately spotted the really glaring inaccuracy in that statement?

I think I did regarding Jane Tanner sighting. I of course don't know if the other part is incorrect but as it is elsewhere it may be true or of course false.

[Brietta]

I think I did regarding Jane Tanner sighting. I of course don't know if the other part is incorrect but as it is elsewhere it may be true or of course false.

Got it in one ... Jane Tanner made no such statement in my opinion certainly calling into question the veracity of the rest.

[Robittybob1]

  ... haven't you immediately spotted the really glaring inaccuracy in that statement?

Can you tell us please?

[Brietta]

Can you tell us please?

See the preceding post Robitty.  Jane Tanner never identified Murat.

[Robittybob1]

First of all allow me to congratulate you on your efforts to keep the ball rolling by encouraging discussion and (sometimes) clearing up some anomolies.

For example while doing some research on the forum on mistaken perceptions which have largely moulded 'sceptic' opinion, for your thread "Return of the Inspector to the crime scene - Goncalo Interview" I came across the following information which is pertinent to this one.

Regarding Control Risks and the group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance:

In the first instance Control Risks had no input to the timeline produced by the group; http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm that was entirely the work of the group and was written by the witnesses.

Second ... the document was entirely in English in their own words leaving absolutely no scope for error or misunderstanding in translation and days before any of the group spoke with Control Risks detectives.

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This 3-page document was not written by the CR company.
It was written and printed by the T9 themselves.
No intermediary was involved in writing it, no translation, and no translation errors, this is the original english, by the T9.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg273299#msg273299

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The T9 wrote it Mercury.
On a laptop borrowed from GB.
It was handed to the PJ on a flash memory card on Thu 10 May.
The first statements of any of the T9 to CR detectives were on Sun 13 May. 
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg273308#msg273308

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I am interested in
"21:30 ... hears a sound in the childrens bedroom"
These are the exact words - there are no translation errors in this three-page document Mercury - it's the original english typed by the T9 themselves.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg273310#msg273310

You are talking about a totally different timeline I think.  I checked it myself there is the timeline up to the alert, and the one after the alert.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm was produced as you say by the Tapas 9 but that one is not the subject of this thread.

[faithlilly]

See the preceding post Robitty.  Jane Tanner never identified Murat.

But that doesn’t negate the fact that there is every possibility that she did talk to CR and before the 10th of May.

[Sunny]

But that doesn’t negate the fact that there is every possibility that she did talk to CR and before the 10th of May.

Of course Faithlilly. You put it far better than I did. Thank you.

[Robittybob1]

  ... haven't you immediately spotted the really glaring inaccuracy in that statement?

Sunny has quoted from a post by Mr Moderator the Global Moderator.   Tricky to sort that one.
Someone else's claim isn't a valid cite unless the claim was that that post contained that claim.

[Brietta]

You are talking about a totally different timeline I think.  I checked it myself there is the timeline up to the alert, and the one after the alert.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm was produced as you say by the Tapas 9 but that one is not the subject of this thread.

You mean it isn't a "Group Timeline" as per the thread title?  How on earth do you justify that?


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On this date, I attached to these official papers 3 computer printed pages, relating to the description of the events, that have been collectively prepared by the nine people of the group in question, that was delivered to this Police Officer by the British Liaison Official, before the start of re-questioning of those same people.
Portimao, 10 May 2007

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

[Brietta]

But that doesn’t negate the fact that there is every possibility that she did talk to CR and before the 10th of May.

Please provide a cite detailing input from Control Risks and we can take it from there.

[Brietta]

Of course Faithlilly. You put it far better than I did. Thank you.

Maybe you can help with an appropriate cite?