Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance + Control Risks Emma Knights etc.

[Sunny]

Maybe you can help with an appropriate cite?

Or we could ask Mr Moderator who I was actually quoting Brietta.  I have no idea as there is no concrete information on when they arrived or none I can find.

[Brietta]

Or we could ask Mr Moderator who I was actually quoting Brietta.  I have no idea as there is no concrete information on when they arrived or none I can find.

I took note of the link you used dating from 2013.  Now in 2018 I make the request to you for a cite in substantiation of the error you have acknowledged in your post:

"I think I did regarding Jane Tanner sighting. I of course don't know if the other part is incorrect but as it is elsewhere it may be true or of course false."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10120.msg486631#msg486631

[Sunny]

I took note of the link you used dating from 2013.  Now in 2018 I make the request to you for a cite in substantiation of the error you have acknowledged in your post:

"I think I did regarding Jane Tanner sighting. I of course don't know if the other part is incorrect but as it is elsewhere it may be true or of course false."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10120.msg486631#msg486631

I don't think I said it was definite Brietta I said

It would appear that two people from Control Risks Group may have been in Praia Da Luz prior to the 10th May 2007

Faithlilly then said
But that doesn’t negate the fact that there is every possibility that she did talk to CR and before the 10th of May.

Which agreed was more definitive.  The post I quoted was from the head moderator here or so I thought. I assume that they would be correct in their information.

Anyway I have located the original of the quotation. It is a blog so the portion in question may or may not be correct as some of the timeline appears to be so but as we know parts are not.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140112164155/http://goncaloamaral.webs.com:80/investigation.htm

[Robittybob1]

Maybe you can help with an appropriate cite?

I think Sunny has made it clear, she has quoted a post made by Mr Moderator.  If we disagree with Mr Moderator do we have to ask him to explain?

[Robittybob1]

You mean it isn't a "Group Timeline" as per the thread title?  How on earth do you justify that?


Snip
On this date, I attached to these official papers 3 computer printed pages, relating to the description of the events, that have been collectively prepared by the nine people of the group in question, that was delivered to this Police Officer by the British Liaison Official, before the start of re-questioning of those same people.
Portimao, 10 May 2007

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

IIRC the title of this thread was cut and paste from parts of the Analysis document.  The people doing the analysis were aware that 5 of the Tapas 9 were involved in the searching  They aren't named as a list but from what I could gather they say CR spoke to these 5, along with Emma Knight's input and CR took additional statements.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-SEP-07.htm#oa29-p11to14
"Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance"
"Dear Sirs,
....."   [you can see that text in the link given.]

That text is cut and paste from the PJ files, so it isn't me calling it a "Group timeline" but Control Risks do in their submission to the PJ.
You can just about translate it from the original Portuguese document

That is why it is called what it is.  - a Group Timeline ...

[Brietta]

I don't think I said it was definite Brietta I said

It would appear that two people from Control Risks Group may have been in Praia Da Luz prior to the 10th May 2007

Faithlilly then said
But that doesn’t negate the fact that there is every possibility that she did talk to CR and before the 10th of May.

Which agreed was more definitive.  The post I quoted was from the head moderator here or so I thought. I assume that they would be correct in their information.

Anyway I have located the original of the quotation. It is a blog so the portion in question may or may not be correct as some of the timeline appears to be so but as we know parts are not.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140112164155/http://goncaloamaral.webs.com:80/investigation.htm

Thank you for that obviously balanced and definitive source which is one I have never heard of although I swear I recognise the style from somewhere or other.  If you forgive me I shan't in all probability use it for many reference points in future.

Although I am fascinated that the starting point for the McCann timeline begins in 2004 with Cipriano ... a link which I am led to believe is usually anathema to some sharing the views no doubt expressed in that forum.


Welcome to our website about a remarkable man.

Gonçalo Amaral

The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - and the trials and tribulations of Gonçalo Amaral - a timeline:
2004
September - Leonor Cipriano, mother of 8-year-old Joana Cipriano, reported missing by her mother, who claims she disappeared whilst out shopping in the village of Figuera.

October 13 - Gonçalo Amaral heads the team which today arrested Leonor Cipriano for the murder of Joana Cipriano.

October 14 - Leonor Cipriano remanded in custody charged with killing her daughter. She is sent to Odemira Prison awaiting trial.

[Sunny]

Thank you for that obviously balanced and definitive source which is one I have never heard of although I swear I recognise the style from somewhere or other.  If you forgive me I shan't in all probability use it for many reference points in future.

Although I am fascinated that the starting point for the McCann timeline begins in 2004 with Cipriano ... a link which I am led to believe is usually anathema to some sharing the views no doubt expressed in that forum.


Welcome to our website about a remarkable man.


Gonçalo Amaral

The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann - and the trials and tribulations of Gonçalo Amaral - a timeline:
2004
September - Leonor Cipriano, mother of 8-year-old Joana Cipriano, reported missing by her mother, who claims she disappeared whilst out shopping in the village of Figuera.

October 13 - Gonçalo Amaral heads the team which today arrested Leonor Cipriano for the murder of Joana Cipriano.

October 14 - Leonor Cipriano remanded in custody charged with killing her daughter. She is sent to Odemira Prison awaiting trial.

Brietta you asked for a cite and I provided a cite.  Nothing more nothing less. I made no claims about the cite's bias. Personally I believe Leonor Cipriano to be guilty as charged and the courts agreed as she was jailed for years and then sentenced to perjury for her claims of police brutality.

Although talking about biased webpages the Joana Cipriano wikipedia page appears to be biased too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joana_Cipriano

No mention of Leonor Cipriano's serving seven more months for "false accusations"
http://portugalresident.com/joana-cipriano-case-“killer”-uncle-already-out-of-jail-on-“conditional-release”-0

[Brietta]

Brietta you asked for a cite and I provided a cite.  Nothing more nothing less. I made no claims about the cite's bias. Personally I believe Leonor Cipriano to be guilty as charged and the courts agreed as she was jailed for years and then sentenced to perjury for her claims of police brutality.

Although talking about biased webpages the Joana Cipriano wikipedia page appears to be biased too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joana_Cipriano

No mention of Leonor Cipriano's serving seven more months for "false accusations"
http://portugalresident.com/joana-cipriano-case-“killer”-uncle-already-out-of-jail-on-“conditional-release”-0

There is a Cipriano board on the forum where Leonor's case can be discussed ... the fact you chose that particular forum to quote from is what tickled me greatly as indeed the thought of it still does.

[slartibartfast]

There is a Cipriano board on the forum where Leonor's case can be discussed ... the fact you chose that particular forum to quote from is what tickled me greatly as indeed the thought of it still does.

I shall take note.

[Sunny]

There is a Cipriano board on the forum where Leonor's case can be discussed ... the fact you chose that particular forum to quote from is what tickled me greatly as indeed the thought of it still does.

Apologies for posting off topic. I was just giving a cite of a biased web page. could you tell me why it tickled you greatly that I found the link on a sceptic forum? 

I am sorry Brietta but on re reading your post I am confused. I have quoted no forum except from here. It was when you requested me to find a cite for Mr Moderators post that I found the link on another forum.

Perhaps you could explain what you mean.

[Mr Gray]

Brietta you asked for a cite and I provided a cite.  Nothing more nothing less. I made no claims about the cite's bias. Personally I believe Leonor Cipriano to be guilty as charged and the courts agreed as she was jailed for years and then sentenced to perjury for her claims of police brutality.

Although talking about biased webpages the Joana Cipriano wikipedia page appears to be biased too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Joana_Cipriano

No mention of Leonor Cipriano's serving seven more months for "false accusations"
http://portugalresident.com/joana-cipriano-case-“killer”-uncle-already-out-of-jail-on-“conditional-release”-0

her perjury was not because the beating did not take place....the court accepted it did...and that the pj were responsible

[Sunny]

her perjury was not because the beating did not take place....the court accepted it did...and that the pj were responsible

I don't know a lot about the case but it says here within my cite above.
Meantime, in 2013 Joana’s mother was handed an extra seven months on her jail sentence for the “false declarations” she made over injuries received while in custody.

http://portugalresident.com/joana-cipriano-case-“killer”-uncle-already-out-of-jail-on-“conditional-release”-0

[Mr Gray]

I don't know a lot about the case but it says here within my cite above.
Meantime, in 2013 Joana’s mother was handed an extra seven months on her jail sentence for the “false declarations” she made over injuries received while in custody.

http://portugalresident.com/joana-cipriano-case-“killer”-uncle-already-out-of-jail-on-“conditional-release”-0

the court accepted she was beaten by memebers of the pj,....who claimed she had fallen down the stairs whilst in custody...so they accepted they were present when the injuries took place...it seems she made allegations against officers she could not identify....apart from her confession there was no evidence against her

[slartibartfast]

the court accepted she was beaten by memebers of the pj,....who claimed she had fallen down the stairs whilst in custody...so they accepted they were present when the injuries took place...it seems she made allegations against officers she could not identify....apart from her confession there was no evidence against her

From memory she identified her assailants by name and then couldn’t identify them by sight. A bit odd really.

[Brietta]

From memory she identified her assailants by name and then couldn’t identify them by sight. A bit odd really.

Not too surprising ... would you be able to see through a bag which had been put over your head?  Silly question ... of course you could!

             How's about we all get back on topic now?