Author Topic: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata  (Read 294728 times)

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Offline barrier

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #300 on: November 04, 2018, 12:15:31 PM »
Ive explained this several times...take the car...the dog ignored the car as he ignored the other cars but was only brought back to the mccanns car.....in the apartment the dog ignored sites until called back...this only happened in teh mccanns apartment...a cadaver is missing because there was never one there.....imo.
when did death occurr and allow time for cadaver odour to develop....between 8.30 and 10....just about impossible...do the math.

About the car,the dog didn't do number recognition so obviously it was brought back.
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Offline barrier

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #301 on: November 04, 2018, 12:16:32 PM »
They know that for a fact, do they?

You'll have to pose that question to the prosecution lawyers,I'm merely a messenger.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #302 on: November 04, 2018, 12:17:07 PM »
Grime's dogs, like others, have helped the police to find answers in murder cases. Their work has contributed to bringing murderers to justice. Attempts by the McCanns, their lawyers and their supporters to discredit the dogs and their habdlers are, in my opinion, understandible but not laudable.

The dogs have been responsible for helping solve very few cases...not 200 as claimed..they have never been properly tested ...and the alerts ahve no evidential value

Offline Sunny

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #303 on: November 04, 2018, 12:28:47 PM »
The twins were in nappies. The nappies would contain urine as the baby wipes would also. Those nappies would have been put in the bin.

There was no alert to the bin or the twins cots.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #304 on: November 04, 2018, 12:30:21 PM »
You'll have to pose that question to the prosecution lawyers,I'm merely a messenger.

I think the answer is No.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #305 on: November 04, 2018, 12:31:40 PM »
The twins were in nappies. The nappies would contain urine as the baby wipes would also. Those nappies would have been put in the bin.

There was no alert to the bin or the twins cots.

Why would the nappies be put in the bin?  Yuck.

Offline Sunny

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #306 on: November 04, 2018, 12:37:29 PM »
Why would the nappies be put in the bin?  Yuck.

Can you tell me where they would taken on a dark evening after the twins last nappy change?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #307 on: November 04, 2018, 12:48:31 PM »
The twins were in nappies. The nappies would contain urine as the baby wipes would also. Those nappies would have been put in the bin.

There was no alert to the bin or the twins cots.
Perhaps the nappies were wrapped in brown paper.  Everyone knows that brown paper is like a kryptonite barrier to the dogs.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #308 on: November 04, 2018, 12:53:35 PM »
Can you tell me where they would taken on a dark evening after the twins last nappy change?

Put in a plastic bin liner?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #309 on: November 04, 2018, 02:00:34 PM »
There are so many inventive minds posting here. Taking notice of their suggestions would make the use of cadaver dogs a complete waste of time in my opinion. If they alert to urine, cooked pork, cremains, garden fertilizer and all sorts of other substances then they would be of no use to any police force.

What police officers know, of course, is that cadaver dogs alert to cadavers and the smell thereof. That's why they invest in them and their trainers and handlers and bring them to crime scenes.
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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #310 on: November 04, 2018, 02:07:01 PM »
There are so many inventive minds posting here. Taking notice of their suggestions would make the use of cadaver dogs a complete waste of time in my opinion. If they alert to urine, cooked pork, cremains, garden fertilizer and all sorts of other substances then they would be of no use to any police force.

What police officers know, of course, is that cadaver dogs alert to cadavers and the smell thereof. That's why they invest in them and their trainers and handlers and bring them to crime scenes.

What's an "inventive mind?" And to whom do you refer?

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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #311 on: November 04, 2018, 02:09:58 PM »
There are so many inventive minds posting here. Taking notice of their suggestions would make the use of cadaver dogs a complete waste of time in my opinion. If they alert to urine, cooked pork, cremains, garden fertilizer and all sorts of other substances then they would be of no use to any police force.

What police officers know, of course, is that cadaver dogs alert to cadavers and the smell thereof. That's why they invest in them and their trainers and handlers and bring them to crime scenes.
So are you stating it as fact that dogs never alert to urine, cooked pork, cremains, garden fertilizer and all sorts of other substances?  Perhaps you could supply expert cites to prove your point.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #312 on: November 04, 2018, 02:11:40 PM »
There are so many inventive minds posting here. Taking notice of their suggestions would make the use of cadaver dogs a complete waste of time in my opinion. If they alert to urine, cooked pork, cremains, garden fertilizer and all sorts of other substances then they would be of no use to any police force.

What police officers know, of course, is that cadaver dogs alert to cadavers and the smell thereof. That's why they invest in them and their trainers and handlers and bring them to crime scenes.
Aren't dog trained to find cadavers and / or forensic evidence?  How well did they do at that in the Madeleine McCann case?
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #313 on: November 04, 2018, 02:24:00 PM »
Unreliable dogs don't work. You don't need to look at them but rather the people who are unreliable in this case. Zapata was unreliable not the dogs that alerted to cadaver residual scent! You know the ones that like to open their mouths and you don't believe a word they say!

What is Residual Scent?
Residual is defined by Webster's dictionary as - leaving a residue remaining effective for some time.
Within this paper we are using the term in conjunction with decomposing human scent. Residual scent searches are those conducted when no physical form is present. Residual scent is what is left when the decomposing item has been removed. It is something we cannot see and humans cannot necessarily smell.

One of the questions we are commonly asked as forensic canine handlers is "How long will scent last in any given situation?" This is a very complicated question, but we want to begin to unravel the secrets. We know some of the elements that will affect residual scent are heat/sun, wind, humidity and rain.

Our first project was conducted in a closed, unused building. Items were placed in different rooms for 5 hours and then removed.

Results
Each dog participating in this project was able to find most or all of the locations where the decomposing scent articles had been. We saw dogs, which varied, from full alert and pinpointing to general interest in the room or area.

What we have found so far is; residual scent will last 1 year in a building with minimum environmental influence, or human disturbance. Even after the objects where the scent source had been were removed, the dogs were able to locate the rooms, general area, or pinpoint where it had been.

Each time we have worked the problem we have included teams that had not worked the area before. We now have had 16 teams work the residual scent problem. The dogs have ranged from veteran cadaver trained certified teams to 1 year old puppies (who have been training from 8 weeks of age on cadaver and residual scent).

http://www.csst.org/residual_scent.html
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata
« Reply #314 on: November 04, 2018, 02:30:57 PM »
So are you stating it as fact that dogs never alert to urine, cooked pork, cremains, garden fertilizer and all sorts of other substances?  Perhaps you could supply expert cites to prove your point.

In my opinion it's those who make these claims who need to provide 'expert cites' to prove their points.
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