Cadaver dogs are unreliable - Eugene Zapata

[pathfinder73]

When it corroborates with the crumpled curtain behind the sofa at the crime scene I think they are reliable in this case.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Apparently not all sceptics here necessarily believe the dogs are reliable.  So let’s hear from some sceptics who have doubts about the dog alerts.

[Mr Gray]

When it corroborates with the crumpled curtain behind the sofa at the crime scene I think they are reliable in this case.

Grime doesn't agree with you... I'll stick with what he says... That it's possible or suggestive of cadaver odour

[Mr Gray]

When it corroborates with the crumpled curtain behind the sofa at the crime scene I think they are reliable in this case.

So the alert is corroborated by a crumpled curtain in your view

[Robittybob1]

So the alert is corroborated by a crumpled curtain in your view

IMO the person pushing the curtain was standing on the floor beside the sofa, not a kid standing on the sofa looking  out.
Kids on the sofa wanting to look out towards the road would kook out via the middle of the curtain.

[pathfinder73]

The curtain was obviously trapped in that position when the sofa was pushed back against the wall.

[Robittybob1]

The curtain was obviously trapped in that position when the sofa was pushed back against the wall.

That doesn't make sense  to me.  If the curtain was hanging free, it would hang practically straight.

[Brietta]

That doesn't make sense  to me.  If the curtain was hanging free, it would hang practically straight.

The room had been physically searched not least by the GNR soldiers. I would not expect any significance in the crime scene photographs of disturbed curtains or a sofa pulled out or moved around in a desperate search to see if the missing child could have been hiding behind either the drapes or the furniture.

[Robittybob1]

The room had been physically searched not least by the GNR soldiers. I would not expect any significance in the crime scene photographs of disturbed curtains or a sofa pulled out or moved around in a desperate search to see if the missing child could have been hiding behind either the drapes or the furniture.

Certainly a lot of uncertainty as to what was moved during the searches by the parents, friends, OC staff and the GNR officers.  All these searches were done prior the photo being taken.

[pathfinder73]

IMO an incident happened behind that sofa and that explains the abnormal curtain and the reason why both dogs alerted there. I bet if I asked every officer nobody would say they moved that sofa. Up against the wall nobody could hide behind it.

[Robittybob1]

IMO an incident happened behind that sofa and that explains the abnormal curtain and the reason why both dogs alerted there. I bet if I asked every officer nobody would say they moved that sofa. Up against the wall nobody could hide behind it.

propose the order of how, when and why the sofa was moved with respect to the wall then.

[pathfinder73]

As you believe the McCanns then you can tell me; Who was looking after the children when Kate had her shower at 18:30? If they weren't allowed to go out and play then it's likely they were playing in the living room where that sofa was situated.

[Carana]

The room had been physically searched not least by the GNR soldiers. I would not expect any significance in the crime scene photographs of disturbed curtains or a sofa pulled out or moved around in a desperate search to see if the missing child could have been hiding behind either the drapes or the furniture.

Neither would I.

Has anyone come across photsos in the flat, taken by the GN, BEFORE the PJ arrived?

I haven't.

[pathfinder73]

They didn't move the cots or beds so why do you think they moved a sofa up against a wall where Gerry said it was situated?

IMO that crumpled curtain was like that before anybody started searching that apartment, therefore, it's important to the case as the dogs indicated.

[Miss Taken Identity]

They didn't move the cots or beds so why do you think they moved a sofa up against a wall where Gerry said it was situated?

IMO that crumpled curtain was like that before anybody started searching that apartment, therefore, it's important to the case as the dogs indicated.

It would be interesting if the PJ GNR did take photos of the flat when they got entry without a crowd...